Disney Irish
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Its possible, but WB has been licensing out a lot of the content to Netflix lately to recoup costs. So it wouldn't surprising for it to happen here too.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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I believe that Box office is tough to weigh how successful a studio feels a film is doing… Surely Inside Out is a success and Horizons is a failure… but what about the inbbetween
Fly Me to The Moon had a one hundred million production budget… surely it is not expected to make it’s budget back… the film was originally intended for streaming but moved to theatrical with minimal advertising… it feels like theatrical is intended as advertisement for the Apple + service
The data.has shown movies do better on streaming if in theaters first… we even have old movies in theaters years ago such as The Judge popping off in the top 10…I believe other than Netflix were going to see less streaming only movies… even Disney’s next film Alien: Romulus was originally intended for streaming… I am sure some movies are designed to prop up a streaming service…it makes everything difficult in determining what is a success or not
Fly Me to The Moon had a one hundred million production budget… surely it is not expected to make it’s budget back… the film was originally intended for streaming but moved to theatrical with minimal advertising… it feels like theatrical is intended as advertisement for the Apple + service
The data.has shown movies do better on streaming if in theaters first… we even have old movies in theaters years ago such as The Judge popping off in the top 10…I believe other than Netflix were going to see less streaming only movies… even Disney’s next film Alien: Romulus was originally intended for streaming… I am sure some movies are designed to prop up a streaming service…it makes everything difficult in determining what is a success or not
Disney Irish
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Agreed for the most part, though I think there will still be streaming only movies as the landscape just makes it easy to do so, they've replaced the direct-to-video model. But the take away is that no one, including the armchair box office accountants here, know what is deemed a "success" or not or even "profitable" or not by any studio including Disney.
erasure fan1
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That's because you have to define success. Muppets mayhem for instance. You could say it was successful because it was very well liked by the people who watched, and also the critics. Hell it spawned a #1 album. So it was successful for the limited audience it had.
But realistically it was a failure. It didn't gain an audience, it never made it in to the water cooler zone. It's really not that hard to tell what's driving conversations. And that's a big part of being successful in my opinion. Does the majority care, that's the big question. But you are correct, there's no real way to nail down profitability on a D+ (or any streaming service) only show/movie. That's too hush hush so they don't tip their hand from a residual standpoint.
I don’t think there will ever be a water cooler show again… there is just too much content competition…Sure people can talk about popular shows like Fallout or The Boys or whatever… but I don’t think any show has reached Water Cooler status since Game of Thorns… something the whole world is watching… Not even House of the Dragon has reached that level
bwr827
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Tiger King achieved watercooler status, but it did have the benefit of the pandemic shutting people in.
If the right show, and the right global virus, come along… cue a new level of Disney conspiracy.
Tiger King was also just before studios were all in on streaming…I stand by my statement… I don’t think we will have a water cooler show on the level of a Game of Thorns or Seinfeld ever again…, perhaps water cooler moments… As I would argue…. Mandalorian was a popular show but not to that level as a series overall… but the baby Yoda moment was
bwr827
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Was Game of “Thorns” a spinoff of Game of Thrones?
Squid Game was a year after Tiger King, and also achieved watercooler status.
What does this mean… I was referring to Game of Thorns… if you are referring to House of Dragon… that is not a Water Cooler show
IMO Squid Game was a popular show, but not a water cooler show… I only know a couple of people who watched Squid Game in real life…. A water cooler show transcends people who watch a lot of content and make it appontment television for just about everyone
bwr827
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There is no show called Game of Thorns. That’s what I meant.
I define “watercooler show” as one that suddenly everyone is talking about, especially if I start hearing about it from many people at my workplace.
Re: appointment television, totally agree. That’s a thing of the past. Replaced by “oh crap, I’d better binge that show this weekend so I know what people are talking about.”
Ahhh… yeah I got you… stupid auto correctThere is no show called Game of Thorns. That’s what I meant.
I define “watercooler show” as one that suddenly everyone is talking about, especially if I start hearing about it from many people at my workplace.
Re: appointment television, totally agree. That’s a thing of the past. Replaced by “oh crap, I’d better binge that show this weekend so I know what people are talking about.”
I work with a bunch of Star wars fans… who still make appointment television for the Disney plus shows… but I don’t consider any of those as Water cooler shows… even the Mandalorian… none of them to my knowledge watched Squid Game… I do know a couple of people outside of work who do… but it does not feel like a show I could not escape from hearing about like Seinfeld, Game of Thrones (better), or the first few seasons of The Walkkng Dead
Disney Irish
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Its a typo and you know it. Stop teasing.There is no show called Game of Thorns. That’s what I meant.
In order for something to become a "water cooler" show in my opinion it has to transcend the show itself to a point where it becomes a part of pop culture. There are very few shows in the modern streaming era that do this, not even Squid Games.
TP2000
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Hi gang! Thursday box office is out, previewing how this weekend will look with a few new films debuting.
Inside Out 2 continues to be strong nearly a month after its opening. But it looks like the two new movies are getting a tepid-at-best response from the box office this weekend.
www.the-numbers.com
Inside Out 2 continues to be strong nearly a month after its opening. But it looks like the two new movies are getting a tepid-at-best response from the box office this weekend.
The Numbers - Where Data and the Movie Business Meet
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TP2000
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And now that it's mid July, I think we can just about put to bed the box office financials on Planet Of The Apes 9. Here's how it did compared to its two predecessors, adjusted for inflation. I doubt we'll see another Apes movie, if I were to guess. 
Apes 9: Production $160, Marketing $80, Domestic B.O. Take $102, Overseas B.O. Take $90 = $48 Million Loss
Also, just before the July 4th holiday weekend, the Garfield movie bested Wish at the global box office. Garfield hasn't yet opened in a few European countries, nor in Japan, but the results are already in when you compare it to the last WDAS release Wish and the last Pixar release Inside Out 2.
Apes 9: Production $160, Marketing $80, Domestic B.O. Take $102, Overseas B.O. Take $90 = $48 Million Loss
Also, just before the July 4th holiday weekend, the Garfield movie bested Wish at the global box office. Garfield hasn't yet opened in a few European countries, nor in Japan, but the results are already in when you compare it to the last WDAS release Wish and the last Pixar release Inside Out 2.
TP2000
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As far as I know, he is fine,
Would you please tell him that I said hi? This thread is not quite the same without his signature joie de vivre.
BrianLo
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And now that it's mid July, I think we can just about put to bed the box office financials on Planet Of The Apes 9. Here's how it did compared to its two predecessors, adjusted for inflation. I doubt we'll see another Apes movie, if I were to guess.
Apes 9: Production $160, Marketing $80, Domestic B.O. Take $102, Overseas B.O. Take $90 = $48 Million Loss
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Also, just before the July 4th holiday weekend, the Garfield movie bested Wish at the global box office. Garfield hasn't yet opened in a few European countries, nor in Japan, but the results are already in when you compare it to the last WDAS release Wish and the last Pixar release Inside Out 2.
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Apes 9: Production $160, Marketing $40, Domestic B.O. Take $102, Overseas B.O. Take $90 = $8 Million Loss
Now you are just ignoring me.
Also not presented, but for clarity of comparison, is the 190-244 inflation adjusted budget of War for the Planet of the Apes. The numbers amount appears to be on the lower end of the actual suspected range.
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Tony the Tigger
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IO2 globally has passed Incredibles 2 and Frozen. Next to beat is Super Mario, and I’m guessing that could happen by next weekend.
Prince-1
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It was very good. Cage has been acting his behind off as of late. This and Maxxxine were very entertaining movies.