Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Tony the Tigger]

There are a lot of garbage movie pages that pretend to be about movies, but really are just there to stir up drama.

 

[brideck]

And my point is that they're wrong according to actual journalistic trades and not a fan site.

I'm not sure I would consider Vulture (New York magazine/Vox) to be a "fan site," but sure, okay.

Given that Giancarlo Esposito's character wasn't even part of the original shoot (That's right, isn't it? He was added during the reshoots?) it seems pretty likely that they would've had to pretty comprehensively rework the way that all of the antagonists (red monsters, foreign agents, etc.) are presented.

 

[Disney Irish]

"To identify or draw attention to a problem or issue to be dealt with."
That is exactly the definition of reshoots. There's a problem or issue that has to be dealt with, hence the reshoots. Now the outcome could be negative or positive, we won't know until we see the final product. If you want to see it as negativity at Disney, that's fine. I don't look at it as negative until I see the final product.

Except its not, that is a term you're using, its not a term that is traditionally applied to reshoots. Not to belabor the point, but again I don't see reshoots as a negative or a "red flag" or anything to be concerned about really. I think its a normal part of the movie making process, as I've said many times. I don't think I remember any modern movie that hasn't had at least one round of reshoots, called "pickups" in Hollywood jargon.

I too think we should wait for the final product, which is the whole point on why it shouldn't be an automatic "red flag" when reshoots are mentioned in relation to a movie.

 

[DKampy]

You're probably joking, but something that focuses on angry red-orange politician/monsters sounds fine to me. Not shocked that Marvel continues to tiptoe anytime anything even starts to get political in their stories -- the same sort of thing felt like it happened in Falcon and the Winter Soldier about halfway through the series. Alas, I'm sure doing so will serve this movie well at the box office in the end.

It's crazy to me that All in the Family was a #1 show for years in this country, but nowadays people don't seem to be able to handle anything that so much as hints at challenging their beliefs/values, even if it's otherwise entertaining.

I agree with your points…. I have never seen so much need for tip-toeing so as not to offend someone…. Without getting into politics….one side seems a bit hypocritical when it comes to that….However Red Hulk is still in the trailers so I presume still in the film… I get my info from reliable trades(Deadline, Hollywood Reporter, Variety) which is where I got the 180 budget…. I would not trust Vulture

 

[brideck]

I agree with your points…. I have never seen so much need for tip-toeing so as not to offend someone…. Without getting into politics….one side seems a bit hypocritical when it comes to that….However Red Hulk is still in the trailers so I presume still in the film… I get my info from reliable trades(Deadline, Hollywood Reporter, Variety) which is where I got the 180 budget…. I would not trust Vulture

Oh, I never meant to suggest that Red Hulk had been removed from the movie. That's obviously not the case. But altered some so as to make the character seem less like the old/new President? I could totally see that, especially on the heels of the way that Wish was received from a political perspective.

 

[Disney Irish]

Oh, I never meant to suggest that Red Hulk had been removed from the movie. That's obviously not the case. But altered some so as to make the character seem less like the old/new President? I could totally see that, especially on the heels of the way that Wish was received from a political perspective.

Yeah, no that likely wasn't done.

What was done was the removal of other characters for other reasons that @MisterPenguin alluded to.

 

[erasure fan1]

Except its not, that is a term you're using, its not a term that is traditionally applied to reshoots.

Reshoots are built-in to the process simply because they are needed to fix things. That is the whole point. It's all based on something didn't work. As I've said, normal reshoots shouldn't delay a film at all really. As you admit and have said, they're absolutely planned into the production. So when I see a film delayed by 9, 10, 11 or more months, that's not part of the plan. Therefore what I consider a red flag, something to pay attention to. Not the end of the world, not a death sentence for the film, just a thing you might want to pay attention to if you care about that kind of stuff. And I know that's not important to you and that's fine.

 

[Disney Irish]

Reshoots are built-in to the process simply because they are needed to fix things. That is the whole point. It's all based on something didn't work. As I've said, normal reshoots shouldn't delay a film at all really. As you admit and have said, they're absolutely planned into the production. So when I see a film delayed by 9, 10, 11 or more months, that's not part of the plan. Therefore what I consider a red flag, something to pay attention to. Not the end of the world, not a death sentence for the film, just a thing you might want to pay attention to if you care about that kind of stuff. And I know that's not important to you and that's fine.

So lets just agree its your term and your term only and move on, as we've done this dance already multiple times.

Also for what its worth delays of that length is not typical and usually related to something else outside of the production, for example the multiple strikes last year. In relation to the MCU, a delay in release had been due to having to shuffle around the slate due to all the movies leading into each other. So if one movie has to be delayed and miss its scheduled date for whatever reason that leads to delay down the line. So you could have one movie delayed by an entire year or more through no fault of the production all because another film couldn't make its release date. And during that time since the movie got delayed anyways they decided to reshoot scenes in order to punch up the story or action or whatever. So just putting things into context and perspective here.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

In relation to the MCU, a delay in release had been due to having to shuffle around the slate due to all the movies leading into each other. So if one movie has to be delayed and miss its scheduled date for whatever reason that leads to delay down the line. So you could have one movie delayed by an entire year or more through no fault of the production all because another film couldn't make its release date. And during that time since the movie got delayed anyways they decided to reshoot scenes in order to punch up the story or action or whatever. So just putting things into context and perspective here.

I could see massive MCU delays based on rewrites and reshoots to accommodate the Kang changes.

 

[Agent H]

Those rewrites have already been done doomsday should be filming soon

 

[BrianLo]

So when I see a film delayed by 9, 10, 11 or more months, that's not part of the plan. Therefore what I consider a red flag

Wasn’t this a strike delay? The film was shot before the strikes and the reshoot occurred after. Along with Disney shuffling around their pipeline to ensure a smoother release calendar. I think you are trying to read too much into things that have more straightforward explanations.

And I’m still not championing this film myself, but it really doesn’t strike me as an intrinsically troubled production. They had an unusually long time to sit on it and probably had execs going over it with a more fine tooth comb, but that’s not troubled. Everything at Disney has undergone a second look with leadership change.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Oh, I never meant to suggest that Red Hulk had been removed from the movie. That's obviously not the case. But altered some so as to make the character seem less like the old/new President? I could totally see that, especially on the heels of the way that Wish was received from a political perspective.

Was he originally more orange and a fat slob? He’s called *red* *hulk* and made to resemble Harrison Ford, so that seems unlikely.

 

[Disney Irish]

Wasn’t this a strike delay? The film was shot before the strikes and the reshoot occurred after. Along with Disney shuffling around their pipeline to ensure a smoother release calendar. I think you are trying to read too much into things that have more straightforward explanations.

And I’m still not championing this film myself, but it really doesn’t strike me as an intrinsically troubled production. They had an unusually long time to sit on it and probably had execs going over it with a more fine tooth comb, but that’s not troubled. Everything at Disney has undergone a second look with leadership change.

Exactly, people read too much into things and the “reporting” (which usually isn’t a reliable source) when there is usually a simpler explanation.

 

[Disney Irish]

I could see massive MCU delays based on rewrites and reshoots to accommodate the Kang changes.

Yep, it’s why there was delays in most of the MCU movies from last year and this year.

The only movie that I consider “troubled” for MCU is Blade, they can’t seem to get that movie off the ground for whatever reason.

 

[brideck]

Was he originally more orange and a fat slob? He’s called *red* *hulk* and made to resemble Harrison Ford, so that seems unlikely.

I don't think the changes talked about there were primarily on the visual side. I'll again point to the response from the public to the anti-authoritarian story in Wish that was evident in online comments from the first time a trailer dropped.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I don't think the changes talked about there were primarily on the visual side. I'll again point to the response from the public to the anti-authoritarian story in Wish that was evident in online comments from the first time a trailer dropped.

Maybe that’s why I liked Wish.

Who is pro-authoritarian?

 

[Disney Irish]

BTW, I'm calling it now, the sleeper hit of 2025 might just be The Amateur out of the 20th Century label. Its that classic spy thriller type movie that has been largely absent in recent years.

If you haven't seen the trailer here it is -

 

[Tony the Tigger]

BTW, I'm calling it now, the sleeper hit of 2025 might just be The Amateur out of the 20th Century label. Its that classic spy thriller type movie that has been largely absent in recent years.

If you haven't seen the trailer here it is -

That could be interesting. He’s not a favorite actor of mine, but he is a good one. The glass in the pool thing was pretty cool.

 

[Disney Irish]

That could be interesting. He’s not a favorite actor of mine, but he is a good one. The glass in the pool thing was pretty cool.

That’s one of the reasons I don’t think I’ll ever get an infinity pool lol.

He’s a great actor, Mr Robot was awesome and he was great as Freddy Mercury

 

[Tony the Tigger]

It’s looking like another slow weekend. Maybe studios should put something better on the schedule in January! Hasn’t been much competition.

The Mark Wahlberg airplane movie directed by Mel Gibson is likely to take first place but with very low numbers. Those two guys teaming up doesn’t seem like my friend group, I’ll put it that way. I used to like them both. Reviews are not very good.

Curious to see the Saturday numbers. Mufasa tends to do better on Saturdays vs the newcomers.

This all may lead to extra demand for Captain America, sort of the way it did for inside out 2, because a certain audience hadn’t had a good reason to go to the theater in a while prior to its release. It’s also a holiday weekend. Date night?