Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

LSLS

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Source?…. Because I will take a trade over some random blogger
Tim Blake Nelson did an interview with the Hollywood Reporter. His quote:

"Well, we’re done. I’ve shot it. I’ve actually shot it twice because I did it originally a year ago, and then we came back and redid a lot of it at the beginning of it this summer."
Interview

They say it was 22 days of reshoots, which if what I read is correct, is longer than normal (I've read normal is 2 days-2 weeks, but I'm far from an expert in Hollywood so that could be wrong), but it is less than some of the more recent MCU films.

Honestly it's not as big a deal as people are making my comments to be. I was simply surprised it was less than $200 million between some of the stars in it and the reshoots and the recent Disney history. It's not a bad thing at all, and like I just said, I'm far from some Hollywood expert, so me being off on how much I expected the budget to be isn't that surprising. Just my personal first thought.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Tim Blake Nelson did an interview with the Hollywood Reporter. His quote:

"Well, we’re done. I’ve shot it. I’ve actually shot it twice because I did it originally a year ago, and then we came back and redid a lot of it at the beginning of it this summer."
Interview

They say it was 22 days of reshoots, which if what I read is correct, is longer than normal (I've read normal is 2 days-2 weeks, but I'm far from an expert in Hollywood so that could be wrong), but it is less than some of the more recent MCU films.

Honestly it's not as big a deal as people are making my comments to be. I was simply surprised it was less than $200 million between some of the stars in it and the reshoots and the recent Disney history. It's not a bad thing at all, and like I just said, I'm far from some Hollywood expert, so me being off on how much I expected the budget to be isn't that surprising. Just my personal first thought.
I wouldn’t take what Nelson said as anything more than a hyperbolic statement. It might have felt like he shot the movie twice because he had to come back and do reshoots after so much time away, but that doesn’t mean they really did.
 

LSLS

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Reshoots are part of the creative process, not a sign of failure or panic.
I did NOT say they were not, nor did I say that makes this a bad movie, nor anything else. ALL I said was that based on there being relatively large reshoots, I figured the budget would be higher. I was simply saying I was surprised this came in under $200 million. Nowhere did i say it's failed, it's panic time, the movie will bomb, etc. In fact hilariously this is one of the first Marvel movies in a while I'm excited to see. I don't think it's going to be some masterpiece, but it feels like there will be lots of action, and that's good enough for me.
 

Disney Irish

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I did NOT say they were not, nor did I say that makes this a bad movie, nor anything else. ALL I said was that based on there being relatively large reshoots, I figured the budget would be higher. I was simply saying I was surprised this came in under $200 million. Nowhere did i say it's failed, it's panic time, the movie will bomb, etc. In fact hilariously this is one of the first Marvel movies in a while I'm excited to see. I don't think it's going to be some masterpiece, but it feels like there will be lots of action, and that's good enough for me.
Part of the issue is that there has been a string of posters (not just one) recently that has taken reshoots as a sign of an issue with a movie that should be cause for alarm. So when posters bring up reshoots as being a reason why they think xyz, others have to remind them that reshoots are normal and not an immediate sign of a problematic movie. So you're just getting caught up in that, not that you specifically said anything was wrong.

But back on the budget, I also don't automatically draw a correlation between reshoots and a very high budget. Reshoots can cause a budget to explode, but its not an foregone conclusion. I know we've been sort of trained to just assume that reshoots cause budget overruns to occur, especially with Disney and MCU movies, but I think this shows that we can no longer make that assumption anymore.
 

Tony the Tigger

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I did NOT say they were not, nor did I say that makes this a bad movie, nor anything else. ALL I said was that based on there being relatively large reshoots, I figured the budget would be higher. I was simply saying I was surprised this came in under $200 million. Nowhere did i say it's failed, it's panic time, the movie will bomb, etc. In fact hilariously this is one of the first Marvel movies in a while I'm excited to see. I don't think it's going to be some masterpiece, but it feels like there will be lots of action, and that's good enough for me.
Did I reply to you directly?
 

Wendy Pleakley

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There's a lot of comments on how much reshoots cost, which I assume are pure speculation? I certainly don't have any inside knowledge so I wonder what the reality is.

I will say that major expenses on a Marvel movie are going to be visual effects and cast salary. The cast will be contracted for a certain period of reshoots. Visual effects likely won't be completed until the live action elements are finalized.

There seems to be some theories that reshoots will cause a budget to skyrocket, and the reality may be a little more down to earth.

From a creative perspective, it can be a red flag if a movie is extensively retooled, or it can be a good sign that any problems are being addressed. Depends on how you look at it.
 

erasure fan1

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From a creative perspective, it can be a red flag if a movie is extensively retooled, or it can be a good sign that any problems are being addressed. Depends on how you look at it.
Don't use the term red flag, it upsets some people around here. 😉

But you are right, it can be either. Reshoots as I've said are SOP. I think most people know this by now. But when the reshoots start getting reported as extensive or large, it certainly can be a red flag. And as always we'll see when the film releases if it was good or bad.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
There's a lot of comments on how much reshoots cost, which I assume are pure speculation? I certainly don't have any inside knowledge so I wonder what the reality is.

I will say that major expenses on a Marvel movie are going to be visual effects and cast salary. The cast will be contracted for a certain period of reshoots. Visual effects likely won't be completed until the live action elements are finalized.

There seems to be some theories that reshoots will cause a budget to skyrocket, and the reality may be a little more down to earth.

From a creative perspective, it can be a red flag if a movie is extensively retooled, or it can be a good sign that any problems are being addressed. Depends on how you look at it.
I think of lot of it came from reporting over recent years that pointed to reshoots as a reason why costs skyrocketed on a few movies, and people just made an across the board assumption that that applied to all movies which in fact it doesn't. As has been pointed out by a few of us now many times, reshoots are a normal part of the movie making process.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Don't use the term red flag, it upsets some people around here. 😉

But you are right, it can be either. Reshoots as I've said are SOP. I think most people know this by now. But when the reshoots start getting reported as extensive or large, it certainly can be a red flag. And as always we'll see when the film releases if it was good or bad.
No one is upset by its use, I just thought the use of "red flag" was overblown (and quite frankly overused) when used in this context, its the only reason why I really took issue with it.
 

erasure fan1

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No one is upset by its use, I just thought the use of "red flag" was overblown (and quite frankly overused) when used in this context, its the only reason why I really took issue with it.
Notice I used the wink emoji. It was just a playful jab. I just think we have a different definition of what a red flag is. Some view it as a negative, where I don't see it as a negative, just as a something to keep an eye on.
 

brideck

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I want the poorly received $120M version!!!

You're probably joking, but something that focuses on angry red-orange politician/monsters sounds fine to me. Not shocked that Marvel continues to tiptoe anytime anything even starts to get political in their stories -- the same sort of thing felt like it happened in Falcon and the Winter Soldier about halfway through the series. Alas, I'm sure doing so will serve this movie well at the box office in the end.

It's crazy to me that All in the Family was a #1 show for years in this country, but nowadays people don't seem to be able to handle anything that so much as hints at challenging their beliefs/values, even if it's otherwise entertaining.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
You're probably joking, but something that focuses on angry red-orange politician/monsters sounds fine to me. Not shocked that Marvel continues to tiptoe anytime anything even starts to get political in their stories -- the same sort of thing felt like it happened in Falcon and the Winter Soldier about halfway through the series. Alas, I'm sure doing so will serve this movie well at the box office in the end.

It's crazy to me that All in the Family was a #1 show for years in this country, but nowadays people don't seem to be able to handle anything that so much as hints at challenging their beliefs/values, even if it's otherwise entertaining.
According to the trades, the tip-toeing was around one of the supporting actor's role as being from a country very much in the news and controversial which has nothing to do with who is the leader of the U.S. The reshoots were done way before the outcome of the U.S. election. Can't say anything more due to the forum's no-politics policy.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Notice I used the wink emoji. It was just a playful jab. I just think we have a different definition of what a red flag is. Some view it as a negative, where I don't see it as a negative, just as a something to keep an eye on.
Yes we have different definitions, I take the traditional definition which has a negative connotation.

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I'm not aware of any other definition that doesn't have a negative connotation, but C'est la vie.
 

erasure fan1

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Yes we have different definitions, I take the traditional definition which has a negative connotation.

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I'm not aware of any other definition that doesn't have a negative connotation, but C'est la vie.
"To identify or draw attention to a problem or issue to be dealt with."
That is exactly the definition of reshoots. There's a problem or issue that has to be dealt with, hence the reshoots. Now the outcome could be negative or positive, we won't know until we see the final product. If you want to see it as negativity at Disney, that's fine. I don't look at it as negative until I see the final product.
 

brideck

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According to the trades, the tip-toeing was around one of the supporting actor's role as being from a country very much in the news and controversial which has nothing to do with who is the leader of the U.S. The reshoots were done way before the outcome of the U.S. election. Can't say anything more due to the forum's no-politics policy.

Eh? I was 100% commenting based on the Vulture piece that CinematicFusion linked to this morning. It spoke directly to the things that I alluded to.
 

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