Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Tony the Tigger]

I did NOT say they were not, nor did I say that makes this a bad movie, nor anything else. ALL I said was that based on there being relatively large reshoots, I figured the budget would be higher. I was simply saying I was surprised this came in under $200 million. Nowhere did i say it's failed, it's panic time, the movie will bomb, etc. In fact hilariously this is one of the first Marvel movies in a while I'm excited to see. I don't think it's going to be some masterpiece, but it feels like there will be lots of action, and that's good enough for me.

Did I reply to you directly?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I want the poorly received $120M version!!!

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

There's a lot of comments on how much reshoots cost, which I assume are pure speculation? I certainly don't have any inside knowledge so I wonder what the reality is.

I will say that major expenses on a Marvel movie are going to be visual effects and cast salary. The cast will be contracted for a certain period of reshoots. Visual effects likely won't be completed until the live action elements are finalized.

There seems to be some theories that reshoots will cause a budget to skyrocket, and the reality may be a little more down to earth.

From a creative perspective, it can be a red flag if a movie is extensively retooled, or it can be a good sign that any problems are being addressed. Depends on how you look at it.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I want the poorly received $120M version!!!

Release the pre recut cut?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Release the pre recut cut?

Only on VHS.

 

[erasure fan1]

From a creative perspective, it can be a red flag if a movie is extensively retooled, or it can be a good sign that any problems are being addressed. Depends on how you look at it.

Don't use the term red flag, it upsets some people around here.

But you are right, it can be either. Reshoots as I've said are SOP. I think most people know this by now. But when the reshoots start getting reported as extensive or large, it certainly can be a red flag. And as always we'll see when the film releases if it was good or bad.

 

[Disney Irish]

There's a lot of comments on how much reshoots cost, which I assume are pure speculation? I certainly don't have any inside knowledge so I wonder what the reality is.

I will say that major expenses on a Marvel movie are going to be visual effects and cast salary. The cast will be contracted for a certain period of reshoots. Visual effects likely won't be completed until the live action elements are finalized.

There seems to be some theories that reshoots will cause a budget to skyrocket, and the reality may be a little more down to earth.

From a creative perspective, it can be a red flag if a movie is extensively retooled, or it can be a good sign that any problems are being addressed. Depends on how you look at it.

I think of lot of it came from reporting over recent years that pointed to reshoots as a reason why costs skyrocketed on a few movies, and people just made an across the board assumption that that applied to all movies which in fact it doesn't. As has been pointed out by a few of us now many times, reshoots are a normal part of the movie making process.

 

[Disney Irish]

Don't use the term red flag, it upsets some people around here.

But you are right, it can be either. Reshoots as I've said are SOP. I think most people know this by now. But when the reshoots start getting reported as extensive or large, it certainly can be a red flag. And as always we'll see when the film releases if it was good or bad.

No one is upset by its use, I just thought the use of "red flag" was overblown (and quite frankly overused) when used in this context, its the only reason why I really took issue with it.

 

[erasure fan1]

No one is upset by its use, I just thought the use of "red flag" was overblown (and quite frankly overused) when used in this context, its the only reason why I really took issue with it.

Notice I used the wink emoji. It was just a playful jab. I just think we have a different definition of what a red flag is. Some view it as a negative, where I don't see it as a negative, just as a something to keep an eye on.

 

[brideck]

I want the poorly received $120M version!!!

You're probably joking, but something that focuses on angry red-orange politician/monsters sounds fine to me. Not shocked that Marvel continues to tiptoe anytime anything even starts to get political in their stories -- the same sort of thing felt like it happened in Falcon and the Winter Soldier about halfway through the series. Alas, I'm sure doing so will serve this movie well at the box office in the end.

It's crazy to me that All in the Family was a #1 show for years in this country, but nowadays people don't seem to be able to handle anything that so much as hints at challenging their beliefs/values, even if it's otherwise entertaining.

 

[MisterPenguin]

You're probably joking, but something that focuses on angry red-orange politician/monsters sounds fine to me. Not shocked that Marvel continues to tiptoe anytime anything even starts to get political in their stories -- the same sort of thing felt like it happened in Falcon and the Winter Soldier about halfway through the series. Alas, I'm sure doing so will serve this movie well at the box office in the end.

It's crazy to me that All in the Family was a #1 show for years in this country, but nowadays people don't seem to be able to handle anything that so much as hints at challenging their beliefs/values, even if it's otherwise entertaining.

According to the trades, the tip-toeing was around one of the supporting actor's role as being from a country very much in the news and controversial which has nothing to do with who is the leader of the U.S. The reshoots were done way before the outcome of the U.S. election. Can't say anything more due to the forum's no-politics policy.

 

[Disney Irish]

Notice I used the wink emoji. It was just a playful jab. I just think we have a different definition of what a red flag is. Some view it as a negative, where I don't see it as a negative, just as a something to keep an eye on.

Yes we have different definitions, I take the traditional definition which has a negative connotation.

I'm not aware of any other definition that doesn't have a negative connotation, but C'est la vie.

 

[erasure fan1]

Yes we have different definitions, I take the traditional definition which has a negative connotation.

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I'm not aware of any other definition that doesn't have a negative connotation, but C'est la vie.

"To identify or draw attention to a problem or issue to be dealt with."
That is exactly the definition of reshoots. There's a problem or issue that has to be dealt with, hence the reshoots. Now the outcome could be negative or positive, we won't know until we see the final product. If you want to see it as negativity at Disney, that's fine. I don't look at it as negative until I see the final product.

 

[brideck]

According to the trades, the tip-toeing was around one of the supporting actor's role as being from a country very much in the news and controversial which has nothing to do with who is the leader of the U.S. The reshoots were done way before the outcome of the U.S. election. Can't say anything more due to the forum's no-politics policy.

Eh? I was 100% commenting based on the Vulture piece that CinematicFusion linked to this morning. It spoke directly to the things that I alluded to.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Eh? I was 100% commenting based on the Vulture piece that CinematicFusion linked to this morning. It spoke directly to the things that I alluded to.

And my point is that they're wrong according to actual journalistic trades and not a fan site.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

There are a lot of garbage movie pages that pretend to be about movies, but really are just there to stir up drama.

 

[brideck]

And my point is that they're wrong according to actual journalistic trades and not a fan site.

I'm not sure I would consider Vulture (New York magazine/Vox) to be a "fan site," but sure, okay.

Given that Giancarlo Esposito's character wasn't even part of the original shoot (That's right, isn't it? He was added during the reshoots?) it seems pretty likely that they would've had to pretty comprehensively rework the way that all of the antagonists (red monsters, foreign agents, etc.) are presented.

 

[Disney Irish]

"To identify or draw attention to a problem or issue to be dealt with."
That is exactly the definition of reshoots. There's a problem or issue that has to be dealt with, hence the reshoots. Now the outcome could be negative or positive, we won't know until we see the final product. If you want to see it as negativity at Disney, that's fine. I don't look at it as negative until I see the final product.

Except its not, that is a term you're using, its not a term that is traditionally applied to reshoots. Not to belabor the point, but again I don't see reshoots as a negative or a "red flag" or anything to be concerned about really. I think its a normal part of the movie making process, as I've said many times. I don't think I remember any modern movie that hasn't had at least one round of reshoots, called "pickups" in Hollywood jargon.

I too think we should wait for the final product, which is the whole point on why it shouldn't be an automatic "red flag" when reshoots are mentioned in relation to a movie.

 

[DKampy]

You're probably joking, but something that focuses on angry red-orange politician/monsters sounds fine to me. Not shocked that Marvel continues to tiptoe anytime anything even starts to get political in their stories -- the same sort of thing felt like it happened in Falcon and the Winter Soldier about halfway through the series. Alas, I'm sure doing so will serve this movie well at the box office in the end.

It's crazy to me that All in the Family was a #1 show for years in this country, but nowadays people don't seem to be able to handle anything that so much as hints at challenging their beliefs/values, even if it's otherwise entertaining.

I agree with your points…. I have never seen so much need for tip-toeing so as not to offend someone…. Without getting into politics….one side seems a bit hypocritical when it comes to that….However Red Hulk is still in the trailers so I presume still in the film… I get my info from reliable trades(Deadline, Hollywood Reporter, Variety) which is where I got the 180 budget…. I would not trust Vulture

 

[brideck]

I agree with your points…. I have never seen so much need for tip-toeing so as not to offend someone…. Without getting into politics….one side seems a bit hypocritical when it comes to that….However Red Hulk is still in the trailers so I presume still in the film… I get my info from reliable trades(Deadline, Hollywood Reporter, Variety) which is where I got the 180 budget…. I would not trust Vulture

Oh, I never meant to suggest that Red Hulk had been removed from the movie. That's obviously not the case. But altered some so as to make the character seem less like the old/new President? I could totally see that, especially on the heels of the way that Wish was received from a political perspective.