Disgruntled Members

[speck76]

I can't believe you guys get a kick out of making fun of first a 14 year old, and now a 19 year old college student who is just as obsessed as all of you with Disney.

One problem with the young people is that most do not know how to debate....to them, a disagreement of ideas is an "arguement" and either leads to personal attacks or worse.

 

[imagineer99]

*shrugs*

I think you're trying to make drama that just ain't there...

 

[dave2822]

One problem with the young people is that most do not know how to debate....to them, a disagreement of ideas is an "arguement" and either leads to personal attacks or worse.

and

*shrugs*

I think you're trying to make drama that just ain't there...

Probably the two most worthwhile things that have been said on an otherwise worthless thread.

 

[Erika]

One problem with the young people is that most do not know how to debate....to them, a disagreement of ideas is an "arguement" and either leads to personal attacks or worse.

True, and to add one more thing, I realize this is not school, and I understand that people are here to have fun. But spelling and grammar ARE important. The sooner one learns that, the better. None of us is perfect and we all make mistakes. But there are a few people whose spelling/grammar are just atrocious. I blame a lot of that on text messaging and IMs. People get sloppy. No, it's not right to make fun of a person who writes poorly, but that person would be doing himself a huge favor to pay a little more attention and use a little more care.

It is worth noting that many of our posters for whom English is a second language write with better spelling and grammar than some of our native speakers.

Are we done complaining about each other now? Can we go back to having fun, or what?

 

[speck76]

True, and to add one more thing, I realize this is not school, and I understand that people are here to have fun. But spelling and grammar ARE important. The sooner one learns that, the better. None of us is perfect and we all make mistakes. But there are a few people whose spelling/grammar are just atrocious. I blame a lot of that on text messaging and IMs. People get sloppy. No, it's not right to make fun of a person who writes poorly, but that person would be doing himself a huge favor to pay a little more attention and use a little more care.

It is worth noting that many of our posters for whom English is a second language write with better spelling and grammar than some of our native speakers.

Are we done complaining about each other now? Can we go back to having fun, or what?

wot R U sezing?

 

[Erika]

wot R U sezing?

:wave:

 

[DDuckFan130]

True, and to add one more thing, I realize this is not school, and I understand that people are here to have fun. But spelling and grammar ARE important. The sooner one learns that, the better. None of us is perfect and we all make mistakes. But there are a few people whose spelling/grammar are just atrocious. I blame a lot of that on text messaging and IMs. People get sloppy. No, it's not right to make fun of a person who writes poorly, but that person would be doing himself a huge favor to pay a little more attention and use a little more care.

It is worth noting that many of our posters for whom English is a second language write with better spelling and grammar than some of our native speakers.

Are we done complaining about each other now? Can we go back to having fun, or what?

The part in bold is absolutely right. My mom calls me every day at every hour so I can correct her emails before she sends them out. Compare her emails to ones sent out by her boss who was born and raised in the U.S. and you'd swear my mom was the one born and raised here.

I would also partly blame IM's and text messaging. I'll admit I use "IM" talk when I'm actually on AIM, but only there. Otherwise, I do my best to type with no grammar or spelling errors. As an English Education major, my professors are relieved that I have a good grasp on mechanics. Unfortunately, I have classmates who do not and it has cost them many points on assignments. One or two or even three errors are fine. But as long as you try and are conveying your message legibly, there really shouldn't be a problem :wave:

 

[wannab@dis]

Yes, I'm a newbie...yay me...I'm a 20 year old college student who enjoys reading tidbits and not posting replies, until I found something about the Dreamfinder and really wanted to put in a post.

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I can't believe you guys get a kick out of making fun of first a 14 year old, and now a 19 year old college student who is just as obsessed as all of you with Disney.

which is it? 19 or 20? :veryconfu

 

[polarboi]

Look, up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's...ANALOGY MAN!

ArielBelle...

Let's say you just got your meathooks into a new boyfriend. Great guy, dream man, knight in shining armor, what have you. This guy digs you so much, he invites you to a picnic/family reunion. His extended family will be there, so you get to meet everyone in one fell swoop.

Now your boyfriend is late for this particular shindig, but you show up on time. And instead of introducing yourself solo, you hide in the bushes, watching the family.

Observing the family.

Judging the family.

Now, when your boyfriend finally shows up and introduces you, you immediately say "Yeah, you know what? I've got something to say. Uncle Ned, you're loud and boring. Aunt LaFonda, your use of double negatives is mind-boggling. And you, possible-future-mother-in-law, if you expect to have a conversation with me, really, you need to start being more positive because I loathe all this negativity."

Imagine how that family would feel.

How they'd be watching you.

Observing you.

Judging you.

Regardless as to how valid your points might be. Regardless as to whether anyone feels the same way you do. You went OUT OF YOUR WAY to attack people while they're trying to enjoy doing what they do. And for what? THAT'S your idea of a good first impression? THAT'S your way of introducing yourself?

If that's the case, the judgment each member will have on the board for you will be earned. Whether or not you'll appreciate that judgment is yet to be seen.

For what it's worth, I think your analogy makes a great point, but may I make one slight alteration?

Suppose that her comments aren't things like, "You're loud and boring," or "Stop using double negatives." Suppose instead that she is walking by when she notices these family members mercilessly picking on a child, calling him names, telling him he's stupid, and making jokes at his expense. She isn't going to say anything, but finally she can't take it anymore and she turns around and says, "Hey! Why don't you pick on someone your own size, folks! He's just a kid!"

Look, the way ArielBelle made her point wasn't ideal. Yes, she should have waited to get more involved in the community before posting it. And yes, it's incredibly annoying when people don't proofread their posts or use the search feature. But I do agree that all of us could stand to be a bit more tolerant of others. There are ways to say things that are firm but polite. There's no need to ridicule others.

I'm a relative newbie here myself, but I've been doing internet discussions (message boards, Usenet, old-school BBS, etc.) as long as anyone else here. I run several sites of my own. This is a common problem across text-based communities.

The thing is, you don't know what someone else is going through. I've seen people mercilessly tease a member for their spelling or grammar without realizing that the poster had Down's Syndrome or was from another country. One of my best friends is deaf and has a terrible time with English grammar, as it's very different from the way many Deaf people think and communicate. You really have no idea why someone else says or does what they do, so it couldn't hurt to be pleasant while you point them to the search feature or another thread.

Just think to yourself, "What would Tigsmom do?" and then you'll be okay.

*sigh*... I can't believe I just posted on this thread.

-p.b.

 

[NowInc]

As one of the original members of this forum..i guess I fall into this supposid "club" you refer to...

I have severly limited my posting in the forum mostly due to newer members coming on here and doing exactly what you yourself (a new member none the less) have been shunning. By implying that these are actions of a particular group of people, you have obviously not read enough on here.

You could always do what I do...just stop caring and feel if all you are going to get from a thread is an assault, then dont contribute. Personally..I feel that its the boards loss that I stopped posting as much...arrogant? maybe...but it keeps me happy.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Me, I just post crap, spell badly, start arguments and hopefuly rattle a few pompus windbags. Oh and Im old with a cynical attitude :dazzle: too.

 

[disneylands]

no offence but this is not the best way to start off a membership to the boards. yes we know what you are taking about and you do have some valid points however this board is very down to earth. everyone here is very much alike in the fact that we are all here for one thing, to express opinion and give news about the Walt Disney World resort. If you keep leaving comments like this your expierance here will be VERY short lived, don't we all remember, MOINK!!! yikes!

yes I am new here as well but I had once been here a long time ago and after reading all of your posts in this thread alone you have made more enemies then friends. I hope you enjoy the week that you will remain here, and I hope it was worth it.:wave:

 

[disneylands]

Me, I just post crap, spell badly, start arguments and hopefuly rattle a few pompus windbags. Oh and Im old with a cynical attitude :dazzle: too.

its all in good fun, i think its funny, if people get mad at things like that... they need to get a life.

 

[Kadee]

which is it? 19 or 20? :veryconfu

:lol: EXACTLY what I was thinking!!! :lol:

 

[disneylands]

One problem with the young people is that most do not know how to debate....to them, a disagreement of ideas is an "arguement" and either leads to personal attacks or worse.

couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[KumbaRider]

Nice way to start posting.

 

[slappy magoo]

For what it's worth, I think your analogy makes a great point, but may I make one slight alteration?

Suppose that her comments aren't things like, "You're loud and boring," or "Stop using double negatives." Suppose instead that she is walking by when she notices these family members mercilessly picking on a child, calling him names, telling him he's stupid, and making jokes at his expense. She isn't going to say anything, but finally she can't take it anymore and she turns around and says, "Hey! Why don't you pick on someone your own size, folks! He's just a kid!"

Look, the way ArielBelle made her point wasn't ideal. Yes, she should have waited to get more involved in the community before posting it. And yes, it's incredibly annoying when people don't proofread their posts or use the search feature. But I do agree that all of us could stand to be a bit more tolerant of others. There are ways to say things that are firm but polite. There's no need to ridicule others.

I'm a relative newbie here myself, but I've been doing internet discussions (message boards, Usenet, old-school BBS, etc.) as long as anyone else here. I run several sites of my own. This is a common problem across text-based communities.

The thing is, you don't know what someone else is going through. I've seen people mercilessly tease a member for their spelling or grammar without realizing that the poster had Down's Syndrome or was from another country. One of my best friends is deaf and has a terrible time with English grammar, as it's very different from the way many Deaf people think and communicate. You really have no idea why someone else says or does what they do, so it couldn't hurt to be pleasant while you point them to the search feature or another thread.

Just think to yourself, "What would Tigsmom do?" and then you'll be okay.

*sigh*... I can't believe I just posted on this thread.

-p.b.

That's OK. We won't hold your posting in this thread against you...well, most of us won't.

Look, it's a nitpicky thing, and I know it, but I think it's one thing to defend someone when they're being attacked in the thread in which he/she is being attacked, and it's another thing to start a thread just to gripe and moan about people who gripe and moan. Irony aside, I just find it to be a tactless "Look at me, now *I'M* here!" gesture. For the record, I also feel the same way about people whose first post is "hi, I'm new here, and I just want to say I think this place is great!" Yeah, it's great that you think it's great, but instead of commenting, contribute. Contribution is what makes the board great. We'll know you're here when you're interesting.

And while I'm back to venting, I have to admit, I have a problem with people who never use the search function, especially when so many of the thread topics are constant duplications of previous threads. I've only been here a year, but I don't even want to guess how many "Which is better-POFQ or POR" threads I've read. And let's not even bring up the number of people who flocked to post their very own "Mission Space Death" or "Twilight Zone emergency call" threads. It makes it harder to find the questions that are unique and interesting, but of course, if you point that out, you're an elitist snob who can't play nice with newbies. Can't win, why play?

You can also mark me down as a person who tends to let well-written posts carry more weight. If you can't spell or use grammar, refuse to try and are just too gosh-darned busy to run a spell-check, then your point better be profound to the point of being Disney-esque nirvana. Being "only" a teenager is a pathetic excuse. If you believe you're saying something important, it should be important to you that everyone understands you.

That's just how I feel on some of the stuff ArielBelle and others are saying. Feel free to disagree with me...but admit I'm right. :lol:

And I'm also curious as to whether ArielBelle is 19 or 20, only because SHE made such an issue out of it.

 

[speck76]

as long as she is legal, does anything else matter :lookaroun

unless, of course, she is full of it and not who she claims to be :veryconfu

 

[DDuckFan130]

as long as she is legal, does anything else matter :lookaroun

unless, of course, she is full of it and not who she claims to be :veryconfu

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Mmmeredith]

One problem with the young people is that most do not know how to debate....to them, a disagreement of ideas is an "arguement" and either leads to personal attacks or worse.

From dictionary.com: "Argument:A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate." :lookaroun

I support Ariel's point of view primarily because it was a 14 year old who was flamed off the board. While I agree with Ariel, I can understand harassing her a little -- she is old enough that she can handle it. But I don't think it is appropriate to pick on children. In case you don't remember, being 14 is stressful enough that you could stand to be a little kinder to the poor boy. For instance, suggest that he use the search feature (which he very well might not have noticed) rather than flaming him into oblivion. If you'll pick on a 14 year old, where will you stop if younger kids come on the board? Is it OK to tell a 9 year old that he/she obviously didn't do too well in spelling? How do you react if a 5 year old creates a lot of new posts?

As far as the analogy of meeting a significant other's family, I think it should be motified some. Imagine you see a large group of adults all insulting a young teenager for everything he does. They constantly degrade him. I think in this situation it is perfectly appropriate to step up to the plate and let them know they are out of line.

I support accurate grammar, punctuation, and spelling. However, I don't believe it is my place to correct all the silly errors in posts on the board (mine included). We can leave that to junior high and high school English teachers, who are much better trained to teach children correct usage rather than merely correcting individual errors. I'd rather just skip the posts that are impossible to comprehend than skip those post AND all the posts correcting them.

And finally...:zipit: