Did you see the fight? :(

[CRO-Magnum]

To protect the cast members...

...they are reminded quite often NOT to step into the middle of a fracas - it's a fireable offense. Only Disney security is allowed to intervene and there simply aren't enough to go around after Eisner cut them in half back in the late 1980's.

We just returned from FL and I have to say I did experience some of the rudest behavior I have ever witnessed, but the vast majority of it was Germans and South Americans (not all, just some, but enough to make you wonder) along with a single Brit. The Germans seemed to feel like it was time to reclaim the Alsace as the pushed and bullied their way through crowds. The South Americans would stop in large groups in the middle of busy walkways and magically be unable to speak English when one said "excuse me". They would try to push by on the sides in wide queues such as those at Pirates. And they would cut-off families but complain widly if you accidentally did the same to them. I learned to make myself very wide and that if you catch them they'll shrik back to their proper place (but of course they don't speak English, right?)

And the lone Brit? He was walking about five feet in front of me reading a map and upon discovering he was going the wrong way abruptly turned and leaped right into me. Being the average American at 6'2" and 250 lbs and he an average Brit at 5'6" and 135 lbs the guy hit me then hit the ground. He looked up quizzically and yelled "watch where you're heading". Are you kidding me? I stood above him and reminded him that without an apology I might just feint and fall on him. He quickly saw the error of his ways.

I'll admit I wasn't perfect. I accidently ran into a man with my stroller but at least I appologized profusely.

Unfortunately I also witnessed rude cast members at Expedition Everest and Rock-n-Rollercoaster whom I promptly reported to supervisors.

Still a good trip but too many nasty foreigners for my taste...

 

[raven]

If your description of the account is correct than Sally could be put in jail for explicite crude sexual comments to a child.

 

[bobr0001]

I've given up trying to get good spots at parades or fireworks shows, having been dismayed by rude people. Now I just wait till 5 minutes before it starts, find a nice open spot back a ways but elevated, and enjoy the show from there.

For me the close up spot just isn't worth it anymore.

Last year at AK we saw a young asian woman briskly and angrily trying to weave through the crowd towards the exit. Her 5-year old was crying and trailing behind, running trying to keep up with her. She would turn around periodically and scream and the child......when she was next to us, my Father-in-law said loudly "Looks like mommy needs a nap!!!" :ROFLOL: :ROFLOL:

 

[H20Babie]

I finally read this thread all the way through and have to say:

I apologize to anyone who was in line at the Kilimanjaro Safaris at approximately 3:45 p.m. on March 29, 2007. My son really had to use the bathroom and we had to excuse ourshelves from the line and our travelling companions. On our way back in to meet with our family, we apoligized prefusely, and if we stepped on anyone's toes, accidently bumped or otherwise caused minor bodily discomfort, we sincerely apologize.
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No, seriously, this was absolutely appalling to read. "Sally" has no excuse that I can think of, and if I were "Brenda," darn tootin' right I'd protect my child. Cat fight? Nah ... more like mother bear!

 

[Pocamahontas]

Oh that's awful!!
Quite frankly I'm sorry you and your children had to even see and hear it.
That's a horrible thing to happen to a child, and one who's just trying to watch the parade!!
I'm sure that Disney made it up to "Brenda" though.

 

[sbkline]

If either of those women are on here, please don't be mad i posted about this, but it did scare a lot of people, and i know that ''Brenda'' apologised.

It sounds to me like "Brenda" had nothing to apologize for. Some nutcase threatened her child and she stepped in to defend him. She was in the right, bottom line.

I know that many people like to utter this mamby pamby horsecrap about "violence is never the answer" or "violence never solves anything" or some other varient of that pathetic drivel. But in the real world, there are times when violence is the only solution. And when some nutjob is physically threatening your child, that is definitely one of those times to whoop the tar out of someone.

Perhaps that's why the CM's did nothing...they wanted to let "Brenda" give this other woman what she had coming. :lol:

 

[sbkline]

Dude, you couldn't pay me enough to break up a cat fight :lookaroun

Why would you WANT to break one up? They are so entertaining. :lol:

When I was in high school, our school faced the main road in town, so there would always be traffic going in front of the main entrance to the school. One morning in my senior year, two freshman girls were in a catfight right in front of the building, where all the traffic was coming by on the main road. One girl pulled off the other girl's shirt and she was out there duking it out in her bra. There was a substitute teacher named Mr Monday, and I've never seen him run so fast out the door to break it up. I can still remember hearing him say "get your shirt on!" :ROFLOL:

 

[LoriMistress]

This matter should have been resolved by CMs. I would suggest writing to Disney regarding this matter.

 

[camithepirate]

If your description of the account is correct than Sally could be put in jail for explicite crude sexual comments to a child.

thats what i thought

 

[michaelcostella]

Ridiculous, cant people control themselves.

 

[tirian]

This matter should have been resolved by CMs. I would suggest writing to Disney regarding this matter.

No, only security is allowed to intervene.

 

[FLDISFAN]

Which is the way its supposed to be, but again where were they?

Seriously, if a CM or a guest notice this kind of activity, they NEED to get security over post haste. And not just after the event either, WHILE its going on.

I guess I just dont get it.

:shrug:

 

[Dagger]

Despicable :hurl:

 

[imamouse]

I agree that this was a matter for security, but I can't help but wish there had been a way to detain the bully until security could arrive, or follow her (track her) until security could intercept her. This is very distressing!

 

[CrashNet]

This matter should have been resolved by CMs. I would suggest writing to Disney regarding this matter.

Unfortunately CMs can't. If a CM were to become involved and somehow was injured or inadvertently injured one of the guests, there are huge legal issues, both from a company standpoint and personally on the CM. It becomes a "he said she said" rather than a witness providing information. Security can intervene, but there aren't enough of them around. That, and when its a fight between two adults it again becomes a legal issue because its assault. To put it bluntly, Disney is covering their butts by not intervening. A CM getting involved in a fight is an immediate terminable offense, whether you were right or wrong, successful or failed to break it up.

Now, say the fight were to have fallen out into the parade route and the parade was ongoing...they are now potentially endangering themselves, guests in the area, and the CMs. The safety issue overpowers the circumstances and they would step in immediately.

 

[Laura]

None of this makes any sense. There's hundreds of tourists with cameras and camcorders standing around and a fight breaks out including sexual threats being made to a little boy, and NO ONE photographs or videotapes the incident for police?

The first thing I'd do if I witnessed something like this is grab some video and get the woman thrown in jail.

 

[One Lil Spark]

To the original poster...

Do you have a rough estimate of how old this child was? Not that it makes what transpired okay under ANY circumstance, but I'd be a lot more upset if the child were say 6 rather than perhaps 13.

Just wondering.

 

[sbkline]

-Sally is then allowed to walk off (i dont think you have citizens arrest in America)

Technically, we do. But speaking for myself, if someone were to try to "citizens arrest" ME (not that I do things that would get me arrested, mind you), they'd better either have the physical strength, a weapon, or other people with them to be able to enforce it.

I can just imagine if I ran a stop sign or something and some over zealous do gooder came up and said "I'm making a citizens arrest on you". I'd be like "ya right, you and what army?" :lol:

 

[DrewmanS]

How much time transpired?

There are a lot of comments about where was security, but how long did the fight last? When there is a violent or shocking event, time usually stands still for the observer.

Most fights last only for a dozen punches or so until someone realizes they are out classed. That could take less then 30 seconds.

A CM would not have known there was an issue until punches started flying and people started yelling. Then they had to identify the problem, call security (of locate someone who could). If security was just 50 yards away, it could still take them a minute to get the call, identify the location, and make their way through crowds. In all, a quick response time might be 1.5 to 2 minutes from first punch to security being on-site (assuming they are close by to begin with). By that time, "Sally" could be 50 yards away from the scene.

If you have ever seen a fight break out at a pro stadium, where police or security is usually close to every isle, then you know it can take minutes to get someone to respond.

We hold Disney to a high standard, but you can not fault them for a "slow" response to an unpredictable event. How they handle the situation afterwards is another story.

 

[thedisneyfan]

Unfortunately CMs can't. If a CM were to become involved and somehow was injured or inadvertently injured one of the guests, there are huge legal issues, both from a company standpoint and personally on the CM. It becomes a "he said she said" rather than a witness providing information. Security can intervene, but there aren't enough of them around. That, and when its a fight between two adults it again becomes a legal issue because its assault. To put it bluntly, Disney is covering their butts by not intervening. A CM getting involved in a fight is an immediate terminable offense, whether you were right or wrong, successful or failed to break it up.

Now, say the fight were to have fallen out into the parade route and the parade was ongoing...they are now potentially endangering themselves, guests in the area, and the CMs. The safety issue overpowers the circumstances and they would step in immediately.

Doing nothing can just as easily create liability and risk, so I simply don't accept the "do nothing because it opens up legal issues argument."