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[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

What a nightmare. That is more than TOT cost to begin with. They could have just built a separate guardians ride.

Would have been the smarter course of action, IMO.

 

[nevol]

I'm with you, but why would they when its a guarantee that DL will be bursting at the seams when SW:GE opens next year? In fact it already is! There is literally zero incentive for Disney to invest in a new Tomorrowland right now. DSP, on the other hand, needs this expansion. Badly.

expansion for two different reasons. One, too many guests, having to limit capacity, and could drive up costs and profits but at the expense of guest satisfaction. This puts pressure on them to expand the parks' capacities and add new attractions and lands.

The other, not enough guests. The park logistically doesn't need more lands and attractions to cater to existing guests, they need them to attract more new guests and drive guest satisfaction and repeat visitation. Very different problems with similar action steps/solutions on the part of disney.

 

[nevol]

Totally possible. I think my theory is more likely though.

At a certain point, if they re so aware of people not being behind the overlay when do they stop and re-think it? They got killed on social media and the the overlay didn’t drive any attendance. Maybe they just got the hint and want to spend the resources elsewhere instead of 100 million on no net gain.

I wouldn't be so sure that they think that. We think that, but all Bob Iger sees is 6 percent increase in attendance and further confirmation that IP investments work, which is why we see this announcement in Paris.

 

[TROR]

Can't help but wonder how much of that production budget went into designing CGI sets and paying the actors. Audio animatronics sold by Garner Holt Productions are state of the art and can be as cheap (relatively speaking to the likely salary of Chris Pratt) as a million dollars. You look at an attractions like Symbolica at Efteling, almost entirely built by GHP, and it cost less than half of that rumored price tag for MB. Only around $30 million, I heard. Ridiculous to think Disney is so irresponsible with its money.

 

[mickEblu]

I wouldn't be so sure that they think that. We think that, but all Bob Iger sees is 6 percent increase in attendance and further confirmation that IP investments work, which is why we see this announcement in Paris.

I thought there wasn’t an in increase in attendance? And if there was, why are the wait times so low?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

DCA today is far superior to that park but the harmony of this concept art is making me a little envious.

Yep, me too. More fuel to the fire with all the amazing stuff in pipeline for Florida and China. Disneyland needs to step it up. It bothers me that aside from the new hotel and parking garages there's nothing major on the agenda for DLR beyond SW:GE next year.

 

[Stevek]

Most of the people online get excited over pretty much any and everything Disney does.

Wait, really? I think you've been on this board long enough to see how much people do the opposite. Let's see, SW thread, Pixar Pier thread, Mission Breakout...I can't actually remember the last time anyone got excited about something new without a whole bunch of people saying it sucks.

 

[TROR]

Wait, really? I think you've been on this board long enough to see how much people do the opposite. Let's see, SW thread, Pixar Pier thread, Mission Breakout...I can't actually remember the last time anyone got excited about something new without a whole bunch of people saying it sucks.

Go to Twitter or Instagram and you'll see all the Disney shills for MB and Pixar Pier

 

[Antaundra]

Wait, really? I think you've been on this board long enough to see how much people do the opposite. Let's see, SW thread, Pixar Pier thread, Mission Breakout...I can't actually remember the last time anyone got excited about something new without a whole bunch of people saying it sucks.

Excited doesn’t necessarily mean people like everything Disney does. But just about everything they do sparks days worth of discussion and debate. If we weren’t all excited by every move Disney makes we wouldn’t spend hours on this forum.

 

[dweezil78]

Yep, me too. More fuel to the fire with all the amazing stuff in pipeline for Florida and China. Disneyland needs to step it up. It bothers me that aside from the new hotel and parking garages there's nothing major on the agenda for DLR beyond SW:GE next year.

To be fair, there's not a whole lot more that can be done at DLR without first tearing things down and rebuilding which comes with all kinds of fun logistical madness to solve for. Not a whole lot of room for any expansion of worth like all the other Disney properties out there. The fact that we're getting SW:GE on the heels of huge chunk of DCA being redone and still getting a new hotel and parking garage on top of that is pretty amazing.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

To be fair, there's not a whole lot more that can be done at DLR without first tearing things down and rebuilding which comes with all kinds of fun logistical madness to solve for. Not a whole lot of room for any expansion of worth like all the other Disney properties out there. The fact that we're getting SW:GE on the heels of huge chunk of DCA being redone and still getting a new hotel and parking garage on top of that is pretty amazing.

True, but I personally don't need DLR or DL Park to expand to be happy. I'd prefer to see upgrades and refreshes of old infastructure like improvements to traffic flow around the Hub, demolition of the FL Theater and Toontown for new attractions, and of course a new Tomorrowland.

 

[No Name]

The Tower of Terror is a very different situation in WDSP. One, it's one of the first things you see right from the Hollywood entrance street, two, they had a weaker RnRC to wet Bob's whistle with, and three, the park is a wreck. Granted, their plan for the park doesn't look particularly sensical, but they were smart enough in the case of ToT.

It in no way proves they don't consider it a success in DCA.

 

[dweezil78]

True, but I personally don't need DLR or DL Park to expand to be happy. I'd prefer to see upgrades and refreshes of old infastructure like improvements to traffic flow around the Hub, demolition of the FL Theater and Toontown for new attractions, and of course a new Tomorrowland.

Re: infrastructure, that's always happening and happening now w/ Dumbo and IASW projects. A few years ago we got the Main Street bypass, last year we got an all new Big Thunder Trail and the rejiggering of Adventureland (w/ more to come with Tropical Hideaway). I would expect to see things pick up elsewhere around the park re: new attractions/demolition once SW:GE opens. No way anything happens until then though!

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Re: infrastructure, that's always happening and happening now w/ Dumbo and IASW projects. A few years ago we got the Main Street bypass, last year we got an all new Big Thunder Trail and the rejiggering of Adventureland (w/ more to come with Tropical Hideaway).

Aside from BT Trail those projects are minor (the MS bypass is a joke compared to the ones at DLP). What I'm talking about are major changes - a top to bottom redo of the Hub and leveling Tomorrowland and starting from scratch.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Wait, really? I think you've been on this board long enough to see how much people do the opposite. Let's see, SW thread, Pixar Pier thread, Mission Breakout...I can't actually remember the last time anyone got excited about something new without a whole bunch of people saying it sucks.

I was referring to the internet in general. Speaking of this site alone, yes, it is different. However typical and average Disneyland goers will eat up anything.

 

[mickEblu]

True, but I personally don't need DLR or DL Park to expand to be happy. I'd prefer to see upgrades and refreshes of old infastructure like improvements to traffic flow around the Hub, demolition of the FL Theater and Toontown for new attractions, and of course a new Tomorrowland.

I’m with you on all of these except the hub. That scares me. Also, i would be good with a Toontown refresh with the Mickey ride as an anchor. I think the FL theatre, reconfiguring the IASW mall and using part of Autopia should be enough room for FL expansion.

 

[Hattieboxghost110]

I’m with you on all of these except the hub. That scares me. Also, i would be good with a Toontown refresh with the Mickey ride as an anchor. I think the FL theatre, reconfiguring the IASW mall and using part of Autopia should be enough room for FL expansion.

 

[mickEblu]

LOL

 

[MisterPenguin]

As someone who has spent time in Europe for the past seven summers...may I strongly encourage you to go out and explore things. The world is really a remarkable place away from the computer desk

Why see the world? I go to Epcot for that!! Big plus: they speak English there!!

 

[dweezil78]

Aside from BT Trail those projects are minor (the MS bypass is a joke compared to the ones at DLP). What I'm talking about are major changes - a top to bottom redo of the Hub and leveling Tomorrowland and starting from scratch.

Haha, you are a pretty aspirational guy, I will give you that! Sad to say, I think we are stuck with the hub we have at DL. The only way a project like that would mayyyyyyyybe be worth it would require some pretty invasive surgery to all of the lands/entrances coming off of the hub and I just can't see them doing that anytime soon. And even that would require them to pretty much get rid of any landscaping/water features surrounding the hub which would be awful. PLUS you still need room for people to get around all the madness if they're not there to see the fireworks. MK was able to start with essentially a hub on a giant island and had so much space to work with/fill in. We'll never have that. It is pretty pointless to cause that much disruption over such minimal returns IMO.

I have faith Tomorrowland will be leveled and redone eventually, but there's no way they're even considering it until they've got SWL off and running and all the insanity that will come with it smoothed out.