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[mickEblu]

Just a few things relating to California history, mythos, legends, cultures, and geography that would work well in a theme park about California:

• Queen Califa's Island
• Native American California tribes
• Spanish missions
• Mexican culture
-Dia De Los Muertos
• Zorro
• Big foot
• Gold Rush
• Grizzly bears
• Quails
• Poppy flowers
• San Francisco
-Paris of the West with Jules Verne inspired technology
• Los Angeles
• 1960's surf culture
• Ronald Reagan
• Chinese culture
-Chinatown
• Boardwalks and piers
• Alcatraz
• Avocados
• Vinyards
• Golden Age of Hollywood
-Movies and movie stars
-Haunted hotels
• Lockheed/plane manufacturing
• Route 66
• 1950's car culture
• Deserts
• Sierra Nevadas
• Colorado River
• The Ice Age

I'm sure there's more but this is off the top of my head. Anyways, clearly there's no shortage of potential subthemes of California that can inspire lands, attractions, restaurants, and shops in a theme park celebrating the state.

[Bold = Heavy presence at either Disneyland or DCA]
[Italics = Minimal or light presence at either Disneyland or DCA]
[Regular = No presence or once had presence but not anymore at either Disneyland or DCA]

Just a few things relating to California history, mythos, legends, cultures, and geography that would work well in a theme park about California:

• Queen Califa's Island
• Native American California tribes
• Spanish missions
• Mexican culture
-Dia De Los Muertos
• Zorro
• Big foot
• Gold Rush
• Grizzly bears
• Quails
• Poppy flowers
• San Francisco
-Paris of the West with Jules Verne inspired technology
• Los Angeles
• 1960's surf culture
• Ronald Reagan
• Chinese culture
-Chinatown
• Boardwalks and piers
• Alcatraz
• Avocados
• Vinyards
• Golden Age of Hollywood
-Movies and movie stars
-Haunted hotels
• Lockheed/plane manufacturing
• Route 66
• 1950's car culture
• Deserts
• Sierra Nevadas
• Colorado River
• The Ice Age

I'm sure there's more but this is off the top of my head. Anyways, clearly there's no shortage of potential subthemes of California that can inspire lands, attractions, restaurants, and shops in a theme park celebrating the state.

[Bold = Heavy presence at either Disneyland or DCA]
[Italics = Minimal or light presence at either Disneyland or DCA]
[Regular = No presence or once had presence but not anymore at either Disneyland or DCA]

Why can’t anyone around here spell VINEYARDS!

 

[nevol]

Mystic manor in either a take on the story from sunset boulevard or William Randolph Hearst (who I have to assume Lord Mystic and Harrison Hightower and the League of _____ and ______ are already based on).

 

[DanielBB8]

Native Americans have presence around ROA.
Mexican culture have presence in both parks.
Not clear why haunted hotels are such a thing when haunted mansion is still around. TZ is not technically haunted. It’s metaphysical.

The list is flawed.

 

[TROR]

Native Americans have presence around ROA.

Not California natives. Even then, it's a small presence compared to what has previously existed

Mexican culture have presence in both parks.

Thinking about it more, yeah it should be in bold. But there's still more that could easily be done.

Not clear why haunted hotels are such a thing when haunted mansion is still around. TZ is not technically haunted. It’s metaphysical.

It's a reference to the Roosevelt Hotel.

The list is flawed.

ur flawed

Why can’t anyone around here spell VINEYARDS!

Sorry, but in the timeline I'm from it's spelled "vinyard."

 

[Kev1982]

Exactly my point. The argument that MB must not be successful otherwise they would be cloning it in France is also not valid.

It’s possible that M:B will be smack dab in the middle of Marvel land at DCA, but since it is on the boarder between Marvel and Hollywood at WDSP, it was determined it could stay ToT.

I personally still think it will be tethered, they just aren’t announcing it yet.

I think so too. It needs refurbishment. Concrete is crumbling down en cracking. There must be a reason why they leave it that way with nets over it. Makes sense now that there will be a marvel land...

 

[dweezil78]

The thing that bums me out is that, no matter what, it does not seem as if there's a chance for Marvel Land at DCA to be done on the scope/scale as Star Wars Land where they are building this insanely immersive, unique environment. It seems more akin to when Star Wars Land was originally going to be done in Tomorrowland with a Millennium Falcon plopped on top of the old Peoplemover station and everything updated/redone to integrate Star Wars into it. We are so lucky they did not go that route!!!

 

[TROR]

The thing that bums me out is that, no matter what, it does not seem as if there's a chance for Marvel Land at DCA to be done on the scope/scale as Star Wars Land where they are building this insanely immersive, unique environment. It seems more akin to when Star Wars Land was originally going to be done in Tomorrowland with a Millennium Falcon plopped on top of the old Peoplemover station and everything updated/redone to integrate Star Wars into it. We are so lucky they did not go that route!!!

Odd to think people still would have loved and defended that version of Star Wars land. Like it's clearly inferior to what we're actually getting, but if nobody saw the plans for Galaxy's Edge they'd think a reskinned Astro Orbitor with X-Wings would be wonderful. Really. what I think it shows is that the average person has no creativity or imagination. What we're getting with Marvel land is very likely going to be rather boring, but because people can't imagine anything better they'll say it's great.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

It isn't at all about distance. It is moreso about delivering on an experience that is cherished by or resonates with a culture. There is no Main Street, USA at Shanghai Disneyland, but it's nowhere near Missouri. DCA and Disneyland don't need to be all that dissimilar, it was just poorly executed. Frontierland, Tomorrowland, Main Street all work in DCA and represent the same things; western expansion and the gold rush, the future of mankind, and the optimism of 19th century America. California history is American history. They just started out by building inferior versions of landmarks and a bunch of carnival rides instead of anything worth visiting. Golden Dreams, had it been a pirates style boat ride instead of a film, could have worked. All of the dramatic action scenes in that film would be exciting dark ride rooms a la the backlot tour at universal. California could resonate with california residents. After all, most of them came here or are descendents of those who came here to chase a dream, and dreams are seductive. Natural beauty and wealth, riches, innovations in aerospace and technology, storytelling, fame... Disneyland is a landmark that resonates all over the country and the globe but there is nothing more californian than that. DCA could literally be epcot, and it kind of takes on that role with the food and cultural festivals and that of the IP studio dumping ground, because California inserts itself so much in and plays such a large role in the global consciousness. Silicon valley shapes lives all over the world. People in neighborhoods in Mumbai surrounded by 2000 year old mosques have Iphones. Therefore any local issue native to california is likely representative of a global phenomenon, and the myths and challenges facing humanity therefore can be told through the lens of California.

TL;DR
DCA = Appropriately themed...but poorly executed. I can live with that.

 

[dweezil78]

What we're getting with Marvel land is very likely going to be rather boring, but because people can't imagine anything better they'll say it's great.

Will be hard for people not to imagine something better when they see Galaxy's Edge across the way! (Or Cars Land even closer by)

 

[mickEblu]

Odd to think people still would have loved and defended that version of Star Wars land. Like it's clearly inferior to what we're actually getting, but if nobody saw the plans for Galaxy's Edge they'd think a reskinned Astro Orbitor with X-Wings would be wonderful. Really. what I think it shows is that the average person has no creativity or imagination. What we're getting with Marvel land is very likely going to be rather boring, but because people can't imagine anything better they'll say it's great.

Wellll, it wasn’t just that. Their was also supposed to be an Endor coaster where Autopia is that would have weaved through the trees and Ewok village. I’ll go on record right now and say that that ride would have been more fun than both the Millenium falcon or the Battle Escape Ride. MF at the end of the day is a simulator and Battle escape will be bigger and fancier but I think the Ewok coaster would have been more fun. (Basically the Tron ride though the Endor Forest instead). Granted, the Star Wars Land we re actually getting behind the ROA is far superior to what was proposed in TL. Just trying to make the point that things aren’t so black and white and their are pros and cons with both proposals. It wasn’t just going to be an X wing spinner. Another positive if they went forward with the TL plans is that you would still have all that land behind the ROA for development of future ideas. Of course, one could make the argument that they would have never gone thru all this trouble for anything other than Star Wars.

Anyway, I like the way things panned out. Plus we still have the hope for a complete TL Re-do instead of a Star Wars patch job.

 

[nevol]

Yea, now we'll have both. Star wars land and tomorrowland.

 

[D.Silentu]

....I'm sure there's more but this is off the top of my head. Anyways, clearly there's no shortage of potential subthemes of California that can inspire lands, attractions, restaurants, and shops in a theme park celebrating the state.

This list is tough to read. Post 2012 it seems like there are any number of these listed themes that would have fit naturally into the reimagined direction for DCA. At the time, it seemed like the realization that classic and fantastic themes were superior to the contemporary motif the park had been built on, had really sunk in. As illustrated by @TROR, once the designers had shaken free of that trendy and modern directive, there were numerous directions to take with the California theme. Wistfully thinking of Paradise Pier being molded into a 'Paris of the West' (perhaps with shades of inspiration from Discovery Bay) is almost a painful exercise as I watch Pixar Pier come together.

Some have said that the failure of inaugural DCA soured Disney to the California theme. I have a hard time believing that though, because reactions to the changes made in 2012 seemed almost unanimously positive. Following the path laid by those steps in the right direction could have given the park not only unique attrations worth seeing, but also what it lacks most at the moment: a thematic identity. I can only guess that there is no prime directive for the park and that is why it is becoming Disney's Composite Advertisement.

 

[Shigg. W. McGee]

ur flawed
ur flawed
ur flawed

G A H D A M M

 

[bluerhythym]

Wistfully thinking of Paradise Pier being molded into a 'Paris of the West' (perhaps with shades of inspiration from Discovery Bay) is almost a painful exercise as I watch Pixar Pier come together.

If somehow Pixar Pier is re-themed again in a few years, I wouldn't mind seeing it incorporated into Pacific Wharf. I'd love to see what type of attractions they could do with the cannery/aquarium themes. Maybe a more Monterey inspired west side that transitions to a bigger SF inspired east side. Or just get rid of the bay altogether - compared to the Rivers of America it sort of looks like a mall fountain.

 

[dweezil78]

Wellll, it wasn’t just that. Their was also supposed to be an Endor coaster where Autopia is that would have weaved through the trees and Ewok village. I’ll go on record right now and say that that ride would have been more fun than both the Millenium falcon or the Battle Escape Ride. MF at the end of the day is a simulator and Battle escape will be bigger and fancier but I think the Ewok coaster would have been more fun. (Basically the Tron ride though the Endor Forest instead). Granted, the Star Wars Land we re actually getting behind the ROA is far superior to what was proposed in TL. Just trying to make the point that things aren’t so black and white and their are pros and cons with both proposals. It wasn’t just going to be an X wing spinner. Another positive if they went forward with the TL plans is that you would still have all that land behind the ROA for development of future ideas. Of course, one could make the argument that they would have never gone thru all this trouble for anything other than Star Wars.

Anyway, I like the way things panned out. Plus we still have the hope for a complete TL Re-do instead of a Star Wars patch job.

I don't know... while the 80s kid in me would have loved an Endor coaster, at the end of the day, it still would have just been a coaster. Tron, while really damn cool, is literally just a tad over a minute long once it gets going. Battle Escape, based on everything we've heard so far, sounds like it's going to be pretty epic in scope and a groundbreaking attraction. We're getting that PLUS a Millennium Falcon simulator which I think is getting downplayed due to how big Battle Escape is supposed to be.

And I agree, I don't think there's anything else that would have got them to do such an overhaul of all that land -- and if there was, it would've been just as divisive as SWL is with some guests.

 

[mickEblu]

I don't know... while the 80s kid in me would have loved an Endor coaster, at the end of the day, it still would have just been a coaster. Tron, while really damn cool, is literally just a tad over a minute long once it gets going. Battle Escape, based on everything we've heard so far, sounds like it's going to be pretty epic in scope and a groundbreaking attraction. We're getting that PLUS a Millennium Falcon simulator which I think is getting downplayed due to how big Battle Escape is supposed to be.

And I agree, I don't think there's anything else that would have got them to do such an overhaul of all that land -- and if there was, it would've been just as divisive as SWL is with some guests.

I just think that a coaster will always be more fun (not even getting into how cool it would have been to be zooming around a forest/ Ewok village outside in the fresh air especially at night with the village “fires” dimly lit) and repeatable than a simulator. Now Battle Escape looks like it’ll be ground breaking but what remains to be seen is how repeatable it will be? A coaster is always fun and repeatable because of the thrill factor. When you couple that with excellent theming like Big Thunder, you have an excellent attraction. Let’s compare BTMRR and Indy. Indy is obviously much more impressive in scope but I think most of us would consider BTMRR being the more fun attraction.

For a tourist there is no question that an attraction like Indy or Battle Escape is more impressive and the right choice for a park which hasn’t had a new attraction in over 20 years. But as an AP or local who visits often I would probably prefer the Endor Coaster. With that said, I’m pretty sure Walt never envisioned folks going on POTC or HM 100 plus times in a year. These attractions were created with the thought that people would experience them maybe a handful of times in a lifetime. Not weekly.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Rumors floating around say that tomorrowland might still have a coaster in the future and they still think it might be a third clone of the Tron coaster.
I rather have something else, but if true I really hope they tear down a few of those old buildings and really redesign tomorrowland.
Even if they insist of keeping autopia they should consider having the outdoor section of the Tron coaster be built over the autopia queue.
Then complete the theming by tearing out the autopia queue and replacing it with something to match the new coaster as well.
Tomorrowland should really be a multi level experience

 

[snow_white]

We don't have room for anything of that magnitude here at DCA. I have heard, however, that 'A Bug's Life' may be closed to incorporate a 'Marvel Land', but it would be VERY small. On another note, there are two theaters that don't really have a home on that same side of the park, and they are doing an Avenger's show over there now, so quite possibly, they may be making room. Maybe the entire west end of the park will eventually be Marvel. At the moment, Paradise Pier is being converted to Pixar Pier. HUGELY disappointed in the Inside Out attraction plans though. I was really expecting something much more submersive. Instead it's just a little 'whirly-gig'. I'm holding out for a re-imagining later. Fingers and toes crossed.

 

[DanielBB8]

Rumors floating around say that tomorrowland might still have a coaster in the future and they still think it might be a third clone of the Tron coaster.
I rather have something else, but if true I really hope they tear down a few of those old buildings and really redesign tomorrowland.
Even if they insist of keeping autopia they should consider having the outdoor section of the Tron coaster be built over the autopia queue.
Then complete the theming by tearing out the autopia queue and replacing it with something to match the new coaster as well.
Tomorrowland should really be a multi level experience

I agree entirely. They should tear down Innoventions, the stage, Pizza restaurant, theater, People Mover tracks and burger restaurant. Build a sweeping 3 story integrated building from Space Mountain towards Autopia, which will have stores and fast food restaurants on the first floor, attractions or queues on the second floor, and a table restaurant on the third floor. On the opposite side, a new Tomorrowland stage with Astro Orbitor relocated above.

As for Autopia, remove PM tracks. Put a new Tron roller coaster above with indoor scenes for both rides.

 

[Phroobar]

I agree entirely. They should tear down Innoventions, the stage, Pizza restaurant, theater, People Mover tracks and burger restaurant. Build a sweeping 3 story integrated building from Space Mountain towards Autopia, which will have stores and fast food restaurants on the first floor, attractions or queues on the second floor, and a table restaurant on the third floor. On the opposite side, a new Tomorrowland stage with Astro Orbitor relocated above.

As for Autopia, remove PM tracks. Put a new Tron roller coaster above with indoor scenes for both rides.

As long as I get my Seabase Delta I'm all for creating a great big beautiful tomorrowland.