Dead Flamingos?

[WDW1974]

WDW74 is way out on a limb with his predictions about FC and DTD amoung others. I think we will know more soon.

I haven't made any predictions. Just stating what I believe to be facts right now.

Things may well change. Hell, contracts may just be awaiting final approval ... but that's not the word I was given and I trust that is is accurate right now.

I don't think I'm going out on any limbs here.

That would be if I said Disney was going to build (fill in the blank) attraction at (fill in the blank) park.

 

[jt04]

I haven't made any predictions. Just stating what I believe to be facts right now.

Things may well change. Hell, contracts may just be awaiting final approval ... but that's not the word I was given and I trust that is is accurate right now.

I don't think I'm going out on any limbs here.

That would be if I said Disney was going to build (fill in the blank) attraction at (fill in the blank) park.

WOW! All that and you can tap dance too.:sohappy:

(kidding, just keeping in the spirit of the thread):wave:


:lookaroun:lol::ROFLOL: I love all these smiley gizmos

 

[WDW1974]

I can't tap dance ... sorry.

I'd think singing showtunes would be more in vogue on a Disney fanboy site anyway!

 

[jt04]

I can't tap dance ... sorry.

I'd think singing showtunes would be more in vogue on a Disney fanboy site anyway!

I meant it figuratively of course.

Sorry, I really did mean it as a joke, really,:lookaroun

 

[WDW1974]

Don't apologize. I took it as a joke. Maybe I should have added an annoying smiley?

Trust me, nothing bothers me here ... well, except ignorance but that bothers me in the real world a lot more.

 

[jt04]

Don't apologize. I took it as a joke. Maybe I should have added an annoying smiley?

Trust me, nothing bothers me here ... well, except ignorance but that bothers me in the real world a lot more.

This is my real world :drevil:

 

[Master Yoda]

Speaking solely from a construction background and not having any inside knowledge to the Flamingo crossing project....It is not uncommon for a developer to finish the site development of a project like this and sit on the already developed property for years. If the project was going to be outright canceled it would have been stopped years ago. While it may seem that the economic crash is somewhat new news to the general public the construction and real estate businesses have been neck deep in the downturn for more than three years now.

The site development of a project of this scale can take years even under the best of circumstances before the first building can be constructed. Once it is developed it can sit almost indefinitely and nearly a zero maintenance.
I'll venture to guess that Disney has kept the development going at a snails pace. Small crews pulling no overtime can work steadily almost indefinitely on a project like this.The economy will come back and when it does you can count on work and Flamingo crossing getting kicked into high gear.

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

:ROFLOL:

Maybe I can start the fangirl trend.

 

[DisneyPirate85]

I can't tap dance ... sorry.

I'd think singing showtunes would be more in vogue on a Disney fanboy site anyway!

OK..OT..but looked up "Disney fanboy" on google ACTUALLY got an "Urban Dictionary" hit...quote
disney fanboy 9 up, 15 downA Person that thinks that disney is the god of animation and hates to admit that anime is better then there so called god of animation.a disney fanboy is defined by one of the following
1.Whenever you say anime is better then american cartoons or disney the disney fanboy will respond by calleiing you an otkau or a wapanese.
2.They it make it seem that without disney there would be no anime,but in reality is complete and utter bullcrap because anime was soley made by the japanese.
3.they will always get mad when you insult any kind of american animation.
4.almost always complan about how compareing anime to disney is unfair.
there are more ways that you can spot a disney fanboy but then agian that would take a long time to type.

LOL....learn something new everyday:shrug:

 

[fosse76]

Budgets have been around forever. The Walt Disney Company was doing fine until the managment team was controlled by Eisner/Pressler/Harris in the late 90s and then Pressler was switched out for Rasulo who was just as bad. The parks were fine in the 80s and they used BUDGETS back then as well. So its not a question of budgets its a question of leadership and poor strategy.

What are you talking about? The Walt Disney Company was almost the victim of a hostile takeover in the eighties...Eisner prevented that from happening. In fact, it wasn't until later in his tenure that he started making really bad and greedy decisions.

 

[EpcotServo]

OK..OT..but looked up "Disney fanboy" on google ACTUALLY got an "Urban Dictionary" hit...quote
disney fanboy 9 up, 15 downA Person that thinks that disney is the god of animation and hates to admit that anime is better then there so called god of animation.a disney fanboy is defined by one of the following
1.Whenever you say anime is better then american cartoons or disney the disney fanboy will respond by calleiing you an otkau or a wapanese.
2.They it make it seem that without disney there would be no anime,but in reality is complete and utter bullcrap because anime was soley made by the japanese.
3.they will always get mad when you insult any kind of american animation.
4.almost always complan about how compareing anime to disney is unfair.
there are more ways that you can spot a disney fanboy but then agian that would take a long time to type.

LOL....learn something new everyday:shrug:

Ummm...no? First of all an Anime fan can be a fan of all animation, be it Disney, Warner Brothers, whathaveyou. Second of all, I don't get where this "Anime" "Disney" feud the author is coming from, becuase any Disney fan should well know the company's excellent efforts in bringing the work of Hayo Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli to American audeiences, and I've never met an Anime fan who didn't like Disney.(And if they didn't they're most likely posers just in it to look cool, and have no apperciation for well-crafted stories, characters, OR Animation.) I guess that's why that definition has 15 thumbs down.
:shrug: :lol:

 

[Roxas]

Eisner was a Genius whom saved the Disney Company at a time when it was at a new low, he just went a little crazy later in his tenure.

 

[Enigma]

Eisner was a Genius whom saved the Disney Company at a time when it was at a new low, he just went a little crazy later in his tenure.

Eisner was no genius he was a big mouth. Frank Wells and Jeffery Katzenberg are the visionaries that made the disney era of 84-95 so great. Wells died in 1994 and Katzenberg left soon after having a falling out with Eisner.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Maybe I can start the fangirl trend.

Go for it!:sohappy::lol:

 

[marni1971]

Eisner was a Genius whom saved the Disney Company at a time when it was at a new low, he just went a little crazy later in his tenure.

Eisner was a creative leader who needed Frank Wells to point him in the right direction. After 1994 it all went downhill.

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

OK..OT..but looked up "Disney fanboy" on google ACTUALLY got an "Urban Dictionary" hit...quote
disney fanboy 9 up, 15 downA Person that thinks that disney is the god of animation and hates to admit that anime is better then there so called god of animation.a disney fanboy is defined by one of the following
1.Whenever you say anime is better then american cartoons or disney the disney fanboy will respond by calleiing you an otkau or a wapanese.
2.They it make it seem that without disney there would be no anime,but in reality is complete and utter bullcrap because anime was soley made by the japanese.
3.they will always get mad when you insult any kind of american animation.
4.almost always complan about how compareing anime to disney is unfair.
there are more ways that you can spot a disney fanboy but then agian that would take a long time to type.

LOL....learn something new everyday:shrug:

:shrug: Um...yeah. Wow. This is a classic example of why misinformed people should have limited Internet access. Thanks for the laugh DisneyPirate.

 

[WDW1974]

Eisner was a creative leader who needed Frank Wells to point him in the right direction. After 1994 it all went downhill.

That's very largely true.

I don't get the fanboy venom toward the man as the company wouldn't exist today (or not in any form like it currently does) if not for him.

On a personal level, I got to meet and speak with Michael on numerous occassions (on a professional level and not a fanboy one) and I found him intelligent, articulate, gracious and to genuinely care about the company and its products.

He was truly passionate about the parks and resorts, whether anyone chooses to believe it or not, and that is so much more than can be said for Bob Iger, Jay Rasulo or most of the current crop of park execs.

Michael definitely lost his way, and he had a huge ego too, but he wanted to do the right thing. Like a lot of folks, he just lost his way and stayed in a job too long (I always said he should have resigned after the opening of DAK in 1998 with Disney at a relative high point).

Many people can say the same. But not many people can say they saved the Walt Disney Company and created a second Golden Age in animation, an unprecedented growth program with far more good or great in parks and resorts and taking the company in other very important directions (from ABC and ESPN to Broadway to Disney Stores to Disney Cruise Line).

I will always like and respect Michael greatly and hope to see him again in the future. But I certainly feel he overstayed his welcome too.

 

[Figments Friend]

I hope this turns out to be true. I've disliked this "development" from the word go. Awful idea.

Same here....terrible concept that will do nothing but add more unwanted traffic and attrach a 'cheapened' feeling to the Property as a whole i think.

I hope it STAYS dead. We can visit strip-malls and 'trailer park' hotels at HOME!

:hurl:

 

[tirian]

I've never met an Anime fan who didn't like Disney.(And if they didn't they're most likely posers just in it to look cool, and have no apperciation for well-crafted stories, characters, OR Animation.) I guess that's why that definition has 15 thumbs down.
:shrug: :lol:

Now that I think about it, I've never met an Anime fan who didn't like Disney, either. Hence the success of Kingdom Hearts, not to mention TDR's wildly popular parks in Japan.

 

[tirian]

That's very largely true.

I don't get the fanboy venom toward the man as the company wouldn't exist today (or not in any form like it currently does) if not for him.

On a personal level, I got to meet and speak with Michael on numerous occassions (on a professional level and not a fanboy one) and I found him intelligent, articulate, gracious and to genuinely care about the company and its products.

He was truly passionate about the parks and resorts, whether anyone chooses to believe it or not, and that is so much more than can be said for Bob Iger, Jay Rasulo or most of the current crop of park execs.

Michael definitely lost his way, and he had a huge ego too, but he wanted to do the right thing. Like a lot of folks, he just lost his way and stayed in a job too long (I always said he should have resigned after the opening of DAK in 1998 with Disney at a relative high point).

Many people can say the same. But not many people can say they saved the Walt Disney Company and created a second Golden Age in animation, an unprecedented growth program with far more good or great in parks and resorts and taking the company in other very important directions (from ABC and ESPN to Broadway to Disney Stores to Disney Cruise Line).

I will always like and respect Michael greatly and hope to see him again in the future. But I certainly feel he overstayed his welcome too.

IMO, Eisner's mistake was trying to make the WDC the biggest entertainment company in Hollywood. His last few years saw the company completely forget its creative roots in favor of prepackaged, "guaranteed," run-of-the-mill Disney nonsense. It seems Eisner forgot that entertainment companies have to remain creative in order to keep the public's interest.

Walt knew this, and that's why he was constantly reinventing his company while staying within his grassroots Americana persona. Foolish academics like to shrug off classic Disney as factory art, but anybody who has studied animation knows that Walt's company was NOT a cookie-cutter factory. Compare Steamboat Willie; Pinocchio; Fantasia; 101 Dalmatians; Sleeping Beauty; and Toot, Whistle, Plunk, and Boom.