News Country Bear Jamboree is getting new songs and acts

[_caleb]

If people think this experience is not up to par or worse than it was in the past they’re allowed to discuss that on a discussion forum.

Of course they are. Why do you keep saying this, as though I’m saying otherwise?

Not everything has to be sunshine and roses. Equally you can debate back with them that whatever the new thing is is perfect to you.

I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m trying to say. I don’t think everyone should like everything. There’s plenty to like and to dislike. Even people who dislike everything are welcome here. It’s how that dislike is communicated that seems less fun to me.

 

[_caleb]

You just concocted a whole alternate explanation for an ad to avoid addressing criticism that is directly related to the nature of the show and the information as it was actually presented.

You just concocted a whole alternate explanation for an ad to avoid addressing criticism that is directly related to the nature of the show and the information as it was actually presented.

I did “concoct” an explanation (I mean, I told you it was speculation). But it wasn’t “to avoid addressing criticism that is directly related to the nature of the show.” It’s a theory that might explain what I hear in the clip.

 

[wdrive]

Of course they are. Why do you keep saying this, as though I’m saying otherwise?

I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m trying to say. I don’t think everyone should like everything. There’s plenty to like and to dislike. Even people who dislike everything are welcome here. It’s how that dislike is communicated that seems less fun to me.

So how can that dislike be communicated in a way that’s acceptable to you? I’m fine with someone simply posting ‘I despise the new song choices for the Country Bear Jamboree’

 

[pigglewiggle]

Disney isn't trying to appeal anymore to fans of our generation. And that's exactly right.

They want younger generations. Younger generations don't care about Country Bear nostalgia. They want to hear music they associate with Disney. So Disney is redoing their songs with some country twang, hoping to bring in a new generation of fans who will hold nostalgia for this ride as they get older.
I know it's hard to hear, but we are getting old. It would a terrible business decision to keep catering to those of us who want to hang on to our youth/nostalgia a little longer.

That said, I probably still won't sit through this.

 

[wdrive]

They can state whatever they want, and people will react accordingly. In your example, anything they guess would be pointless because the finished product hasn’t been presented in context.

All threads? Stop.

Never said otherwise. Do you often internalize posts made about others?

Of course we have to imagine because they don’t exist yet!

How many people said, “Oh, that Moana walk-through sounds pointless.” Their imagination only took them so far. Then when it was finished, many said, “Oh, I like the way they did it.”

Well. It’s very possible the new CBJ will be greater than the sum of its parts. Perhaps they will use a certain song in a certain context that will make it turn out better than what certain people are thinking in their heads.

It happens all the time. The people complaining are not imagineers. The people imagineering are. Do they always nail it? Maybe not, but they also know more than we do about restrictions, requirements, conditions handed down from higher up, etc. So, again, I give them the benefit of the doubt until I experience the attraction for myself.

And I would see a therapist if it prompted me to write a tirade as if I know how to run their company better than they do, while I have no experience redesigning the best theme park in the world.

It’s interesting to me that you felt the need to jump in and vociferously defend the Negativity Brigade - people working each other up into a frenzy in a dramatic echo chamber serving no purpose (it’s not going to change the trajectory of anything.)


Thats an easy one.

People can react accordingly of course, but saying someone shouldn’t post because they’re too negative is not reacting accordingly to me.

You lose me a bit with your Moana example. Of course people talk about and speculate about an attraction before it opens based on what is shown and many will have different opinions seeing the finished product. Again most threads on here would be dead if we couldn’t speculate and discuss the things that we can see.

I jump in and defend the negative brigade in the same way I’d jump in and defend someone who loved everything and someone else was saying they were wrong.

Give Disney the benefit of the doubt as much as you like I have no problem with that whatsoever. That’s your opinion and I respect that. Others will not give them the benefit of the doubt and you should respect that too. If you find something negative one day and feel you need to see a therapist that’s your decision.

 

[_caleb]

So how can that dislike be communicated in a way that’s acceptable to you? I’m fine with someone simply posting ‘I despise the new song choices for the Country Bear Jamboree’

It’s all “acceptable” to me. But the posts I prefer are ones that are informed and thoughtful, and not repeated in overly-dramatic ways.

“I despise the new song choices for the Country Bear Jamboree” doesn’t seem like a good faith attempt at discussion to me—especially if it’s posted multiple times in a thread. I’d much rather they what they don’t like about it, why they think that, what they would prefer.

Do you see the difference I’m trying to draw between criticism and negativity?

 

[wdrive]

It’s all “acceptable” to me. But the posts I prefer are ones that are informed and thoughtful, and not repeated in overly-dramatic ways.

“I despise the new song choices for the Country Bear Jamboree” doesn’t seem like a good faith attempt at discussion to me—especially if it’s posted multiple times in a thread. I’d much rather they what they don’t like about it, why they think that, what they would prefer.

Do you see the difference I’m trying to draw between criticism and negativity?

Then ask them those questions.

I get the difference between them, but there is also a significant blur between the two words, at least to me anyway.

 

[George]

It’s all “acceptable” to me. But the posts I prefer are ones that are informed and thoughtful, and not repeated in overly-dramatic ways.

“I despise the new song choices for the Country Bear Jamboree” doesn’t seem like a good faith attempt at discussion to me—especially if it’s posted multiple times in a thread. I’d much rather they what they don’t like about it, why they think that, what they would prefer.

Do you see the difference I’m trying to draw between criticism and negativity?

Is it OK to say, "I like the new song choices for Country Bear Jamboree" without any more details?

 

[_caleb]

Is it OK to say, "I like the new song choices for Country Bear Jamboree" without any more details?

It’s ok to say whatever you want (as long as it follows this site’s rules). But no, I don’t find that statement much better than the opposite version. Do you?

 

[Communicora]

Are you convinced that they wasted time and money to create a completely different arrangement for a 30 second social media post that has no relation to the actual attraction they are advertising?

I'm holding out hope that the version we heard is one that will be released to Spotify and the like, but the songs in the theater will be produced to sound more like a live band playing them in a small theater.

It's great the Bears are staying. I'd be crushed if they left, but I am disappointed that we are losing the whimsy and humor the songs in the previous version had. It just won't be the same without All the Guys That Turn Me on Turn Me Down and Blood in the Saddle. I don't get why they need to make it so milquetoast.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

If this is anything like TBA (based on the POV), we're in big trouble. Don't mess with the classics, Disney.

 

[celluloid]

Surely you can see the difference between “The negativity is thick here, and I don’t care for it.” and “Everyone can only love hype rather than wonder or question.”

I’m not telling anyone what to do. I’m saying I don’t understand or care for posts where people say they don’t like things we haven’t even seen yet.

I’d encourage you to re-read @Tony the Tigger’s post again. I didn’t read it as an insult of any particular person, but as “maybe posters who complain about not being able to see how something WDI is doing might work just don’t have enough imagination to get it until they experience it.”

You should re-read it. He directly quoted someone since that said "they don't see how the new track is going to/can fit into the show as some overly negative and amateur (his wording) critique.

So that reasonable critique was specific and lumped in there.

Tony's own odd extreme and him saying he was weak to stomach people with different take perimeters were quite clear.

and he jabbed insults at the end again, so clearly it is not just someone thinking the negativity is abundant for these projects.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I hope Big Al still has stuff to do in this show. He's my favorite.

That seems to be a safe bet.

Disney isn't trying to appeal anymore to fans of our generation. And that's exactly right.

They want younger generations. Younger generations don't care about Country Bear nostalgia. They want to hear music they associate with Disney. So Disney is redoing their songs with some country twang, hoping to bring in a new generation of fans who will hold nostalgia for this ride as they get older.
I know it's hard to hear, but we are getting old. It would a terrible business decision to keep catering to those of us who want to hang on to our youth/nostalgia a little longer.

That said, I probably still won't sit through this.

Fair enough.

 

[granfiesta]

If this is anything like TBA (based on the POV), we're in big trouble. Don't mess with the classics, Disney.

Judging by the previews, I agree. And yes, I'm older (almost 50), but that doesn't change the fact that in recent years, Disney thinks everything with music needs be to a clip show rather than something original and unique (ala Country Bears and Illuminations/Harmonious/Luminous)

 

[Dear Prudence]

Disney isn't trying to appeal anymore to fans of our generation. And that's exactly right.

They want younger generations. Younger generations don't care about Country Bear nostalgia. They want to hear music they associate with Disney. So Disney is redoing their songs with some country twang, hoping to bring in a new generation of fans who will hold nostalgia for this ride as they get older.
I know it's hard to hear, but we are getting old. It would a terrible business decision to keep catering to those of us who want to hang on to our youth/nostalgia a little longer.

That said, I probably still won't sit through this.

Disney used to make stuff to be enjoyed for everyone, not just Influencers. It's all geared towards TikTok and Instagram now.

 

[C33Mom]

I grew up in the 80s and 90s at Disneyland and the Vacation Hoedown is my nostalgia version of CBJ— it was yanked before my kids were born so they got to see it in a mix of English and Japanese (the latter of which we don’t speak) and then we get the WDW version — which (to me) feels like what a lot of you are going through with the change to modern(ish) Disney songs covered into various styles of country. If the bears keep their character and there’s some humor sprinkled through, I’ll be content— nobody here seems to be discussing that “try everything” is going to be accompanied by a clip show montage of Trixie trying and failing at dozens of things—this immediately reminded of the hilarious slideshow in the vacation hoedown.
I’m keeping an open mind for the possibility that I’ll even like it better than the current version (I’m a millennial parent and half of the songs in the WDW version strike me as somewhere between cringe and outright awful, but I still enjoy the experience and passing along the experience—ironically my elementary school aged kids LOVE Blood on the Saddle and are angry it’s leaving ‍♀) even though it’s almost certainly not going to be exactly what I want. Here’s hoping that once they run out of other tricks to convince people to spend $150 a night for the after/holiday parties we might even get some of the old seasonal show acts for the Christmas Party or perhaps some original songs sprinkled back in “for a limited time only” when they have no new rides in 2025 and 2026.

(ETA, somehow the Apple keyboard emoji of woman shrugging auto changes to emoji for blonde plus woman, was not intending to make any sort of statement with my emoji choices)

 

[lightningtap347]

Disney isn't trying to appeal anymore to fans of our generation. And that's exactly right.

They want younger generations. Younger generations don't care about Country Bear nostalgia. They want to hear music they associate with Disney. So Disney is redoing their songs with some country twang, hoping to bring in a new generation of fans who will hold nostalgia for this ride as they get older.
I know it's hard to hear, but we are getting old. It would a terrible business decision to keep catering to those of us who want to hang on to our youth/nostalgia a little longer.

That said, I probably still won't sit through this.

I'm 27! I'm not that old, I swear!

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They want younger generations. Younger generations don't care about Country Bear nostalgia.

You’d be surprised - many young people love nostalgia - especially when it’s connected to things like Disney.

Edit to add - and universal to - nostalgia store for example.

 

[JD80]

So one can only love hype rather than wonder or question what it will be like?

The other poster having their opinion leading you to insulting them, even again at the end of this quoted post is very telling.
Unacceptable. Even if you don't see it the same.way or disgree completely.

If people came to any thread and posted once or twice a page, every day, for a year on how something IS AMAZING! without thought it would equally be eyerolling.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I'm 27! I'm not that old, I swear!

You’re a bear. 27 in bear years is like 104 in human years.