Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DarkMetroid567]

I need to research exactly what they did in South Korea. They basically went through the entire hill of the curve in two weeks. From what I remember, I don't think they did any lockdown or extreme social distancing orders (I could be wrong). I remember reading about temperature checks all over the place and wearing masks.

Correct, but a big part of what allowed them to do that was heavy initial testing. Plus, from what I've heard from my friends down there, they did do some social distancing pretty quickly, although I don't think it was government mandated.

The world has actually shocked me about how well it's embraced social distancing even without mandates. The idiots who were on beaches and all that were obviously apparent, but that's because they were out in the first place. The economic impact, surveys, and various studies have been telling us that the large majority of people were starting to social distance and have continued to do so.

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[Lora Baines Bradley]

The majority of the economy will have to be open and operating by end of June. Government cannot afford to pay everyone to continue to have these kind of loses. plus Americans will not stay locked up this long. You will see law suits etc that force things open.

If the economy does not open by June so many industries will be dead and not able to come back.

I’m likely missing the obvious, but how will a lawsuit from a consumer force open a store? Isn’t the store within their rights to open and close whenever they please?

 

[thomas998]

No. Vekoma sells their coasters ex-works. They do not assemble or commission. They sell a kit of parts and for a separate fee will provide project management support. Outside of a few select vendors, steel coasters are not a turnkey product. The coasters are OFCI, owner furnished contractor installed. The two coasters are being handled by separate general contractors who were both shut down by Disney. Ride control software is custom by Imagineering. Disney cannot get their money back from Vekoma even if they decide to leave both sitting there, which is why it is unlikely they would be totally abandoned, the sunk costs for both are very high.

Then if they have received the part they paid for them provided

The flight attendants who come into contact with the passengers are based there and the flight deck and cabin crews from international flights that aren't based there stay and eat there.

My initial impression based on what we've seen is population density is the primary fuel for a major outbreak. Mass transit use is secondary.

We've seen significant outbreaks on cruise ships and in nursing homes. Both have a high "population density" so to speak.

The big question to answer is what is the main method of transmission when you have high population density. Is it cough and sneeze droplets, aerosols from talking and/or breathing or surfaces?

I'm not familiar with Delta flight crews, but I do know quite a few people that work at AA and they don't all live in the DFW or Chicago areas even though the majority of their flights go in and out of there, they simply live in cities that have a connection to one of those the AA hubs but not necessary the hub itself. Even if a flight always goes into and out of DFW doesn't mean it is based there many are based in spoke cities that are connected to the hub... if you think about it it wouldn't make sense for all the flights for a carrier to always end up in one of the few hub cities as their wouldn't be enough space in that hub city to have all the planes in those city overnight. Given the size of Delta's fleet of airplanes I would be shocked if they didn't use the same system that AA uses where many flight crews are based out of spoke cities and not hubs.

As for population density, it will certainly result in more cases in a city showing up simply because you have more potential people there available to be infected... but if you look at a map of the country and then look at the hot spots they don't all fit that theory. New Orleans area of Louisiana is a big spot but when you look at the population density there it is relatively low with New Orleans not even making it to the top 500 cities in the US and lacks any substantial mass transit system like you have in a place like NYC or Chicago... even more mysterious is that a place like Tokyo with a very high population density and lots of mass transit use you would expect them to be hit very hard but they haven't been. Other factors beyond population density would seem to be more critical in determining when a city gets hammered but what they are is still a mystery.

Cruise ships are not really that confusing when you think about the way they are operated, all the passengers are continually funneled into the same dining areas for meals so it isn't going to matter much how filled the ships are with passengers all the passengers are pretty much going to be going near each other 3 times a day when they eat meals.

 

[Lilofan]

Cruise ships are not really that confusing when you think about the way they are operated, all the passengers are continually funneled into the same dining areas for meals so it isn't going to matter much how filled the ships are with passengers all the passengers are pretty much going to be going near each other 3 times a day when they eat meals.

In regards to the current times, I know some who are stress eating, drinking and or smoking. It is definitely not the way to go. The last time I went on a Disney cruise I could not believe the amount of food options on the ship and the massive quantities of food guests were consuming. I can see if the ships even get into operation this year that the buffet option while very popular will not be pile as much food on your Mt Everest plate. It would be served and dished out by the crew. Eating less when you really need to be is always a good thing. I learned that over the years, not when I was 40 pounds heavier back in the day.

 

[celluloid]

I am not going to pretend I know anything, but it could hurt Disney a little more if the sponsorships start pulling out. Has anyone heard anything of that?

 

[DisneyCane]

Then if they have received the part they paid for them provided

I'm not familiar with Delta flight crews, but I do know quite a few people that work at AA and they don't all live in the DFW or Chicago areas even though the majority of their flights go in and out of there, they simply live in cities that have a connection to one of those the AA hubs but not necessary the hub itself. Even if a flight always goes into and out of DFW doesn't mean it is based there many are based in spoke cities that are connected to the hub... if you think about it it wouldn't make sense for all the flights for a carrier to always end up in one of the few hub cities as their wouldn't be enough space in that hub city to have all the planes in those city overnight. Given the size of Delta's fleet of airplanes I would be shocked if they didn't use the same system that AA uses where many flight crews are based out of spoke cities and not hubs.

As for population density, it will certainly result in more cases in a city showing up simply because you have more potential people there available to be infected... but if you look at a map of the country and then look at the hot spots they don't all fit that theory. New Orleans area of Louisiana is a big spot but when you look at the population density there it is relatively low with New Orleans not even making it to the top 500 cities in the US and lacks any substantial mass transit system like you have in a place like NYC or Chicago... even more mysterious is that a place like Tokyo with a very high population density and lots of mass transit use you would expect them to be hit very hard but they haven't been. Other factors beyond population density would seem to be more critical in determining when a city gets hammered but what they are is still a mystery.

Cruise ships are not really that confusing when you think about the way they are operated, all the passengers are continually funneled into the same dining areas for meals so it isn't going to matter much how filled the ships are with passengers all the passengers are pretty much going to be going near each other 3 times a day when they eat meals.

From a site about becoming a flight attendant:

Home base:

American bases its flight attendants at ten different hubs:

Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW): largest hub
Charlotte Douglas International Airport (CLT): second-largest hub
Chicago O´Hare International Airport (ORD): third-largest hub
Philadelphia International Airport (PHL): fourth-largest hub
Miami International Airport (MIA)
Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport (PHX)
Ronald Reagon Washington National Airport (DCA)
Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)
John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK)
LaGuardia Airport (LGA)

 

[lilypgirl]

Sorry many Universities here start during the summer. So closed through August 1.

SO you mean summer school is online?

 

[DallasDis]

From a site about becoming a flight attendant:

Home base:

American bases its flight attendants at ten different hubs:

Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW): largest hub
Charlotte Douglas International Airport (CLT): second-largest hub
Chicago O´Hare International Airport (ORD): third-largest hub
Philadelphia International Airport (PHL): fourth-largest hub
Miami International Airport (MIA)
Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport (PHX)
Ronald Reagon Washington National Airport (DCA)
Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)
John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK)
LaGuardia Airport (LGA)

My brother is law is a pilot for AA. And what @mgf said is correct. While you can be based out of a hub that does not mean you live there. Just that it’s the city your flight come out of. So you can live in Austin, or Oklahoma City and travel to DFW (your base) for flights. AA gives you free travel to your base.

My brother in law lives in New Bern NC and is based out of Charlotte.

 

[The Mom]

Once again.....no politics.

 

[mgf]

Once again.....no politics.

Sorry. Really was just trying to explain governmental structures (distinct from politics) for someone outside the US who was asking. I see the post was taken down. Will not post on the subject again.

 

[peter11435]

I am not going to pretend I know anything, but it could hurt Disney a little more if the sponsorships start pulling out. Has anyone heard anything of that?

Compared to decades ago most already have. There really aren’t that many sponsorships left. Remember the days of every future world pavilion having a corporate sponsor. Now only 2.5 have sponsors.

The remaining agreements would be bound by multi year contracts until they are up for renewal.

 

[disney4life2008]

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I wonder keep epcot closed indefinitely. Another post I

SO you mean summer school is online?

It's not summer school. The academic year starts in summer. But technically, yes.

 

[Polynesia]

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[celluloid]

Compared to decades ago most already have. There really aren’t that many sponsorships left. Remember the days of every future world pavilion having a corporate sponsor. Now only 2.5 have sponsors.

The remaining agreements would be bound by multi year contracts until they are up for renewal.

You are thinking just EPCOT. There are dozens of big sponsors around the entire parks and resorts besides the big GM types left.

 

[GoofGoof]

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Pretty much what we have been saying here. They are using June 1 as a potential opening date because thats when they are taking reservations at WDW. I’m not sure that’s a lock to happen, but its the best information we have. Like we talked about earlier international travel will be slow and last to come back and that’s 20% of typical WDW attendance.

 

[peter11435]

You are thinking just EPCOT. There are dozens of big sponsors around the entire parks and resorts besides the big GM types left.

I used Epcot as an example, but the point applies to all of WDW. There was a time when CBR, Tiki, Small World, Space Mountain, Speedway, People Mover, COP, etc... all had sponsors. Dinosaur, Nemo, It’s tough to be a bug, Muppet vision, star tours, RNRC, GMR... all and more have lost sponsors over the years. I’m not saying there are no sponsors left, but the number has already been dramatically reduced over the years.

Most that remain function as vendor/supplier deals which are unlikely to be impacted in the near term and all are under multi year contracts that aside from going out of business will remain at least until renewal.

 

[peter11435]

Pretty much what we have been saying here. They are using June 1 as a potential opening date because thats when they are taking reservations at WDW. I’m not sure that’s a lock to happen, but its the best information we have. Like we talked about earlier international travel will be slow and last to come back and that’s 20% of typical WDW attendance.

One thing to consider when travel does resume. WDW will be missing the 20% of international travel. However millions of Americans who would have been traveling internationally or on cruise ships will be forced to redirect their travel domestically.

 

[John park hopper]

I used Epcot as an example, but the point applies to all of WDW. There was a time when CBR, Tiki, Small World, Space Mountain, Speedway, People Mover, COP, etc... all had sponsors. Dinosaur, Nemo, It’s tough to be a bug, Muppet vision, star tours, RNRC, GMR... all and more have lost sponsors over the years. I’m not saying there are no sponsors left, but the number has already been dramatically reduced over the years.

Most that remain function as vendor/supplier deals which are unlikely to be impacted in the near term and all are under multi year contracts that aside from going out of business will remain at least until renewal.

Didn't Walt set up Club 33 as a special place to wine and dine potential corporate sponsors, he seemed to do quite well back in the day

 

[peter11435]

Didn't Walt set up Club 33 as a special place to wine and dine potential corporate sponsors, he seemed to do quite well back in the day

Yep. The world has changed already.