Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[MissingDisney]

Wrong. Real Data was way off. Time to get back to work.

I’m just wondering how many of you who are on this “get back to work-get back to normal-open everything up” war cry have actually lost a friend or friends, or family member or members to this horrible virus. Have you? Because if you had, you would want to do everything humanly possible to keep someone from going through this or their family from having to listen to them struggle to breathe or try to speak in the end, because they can only video or intercom with them in their final moments, losing a family member. Staying home or wearing a mask is not too much to ask. What if it was you? Or your child? Or your spouse?

And I’m not in NYC. And it’s terrible. I am up to 3 colleagues passed, 2 colleagues home hopefully recovering, 3 friends passed, 2 friends currently hospitalized, 2 friends home hopefully recovering. I’m happy to do whatever is necessary to protect not only my family, but everyone else’s too.

 

[gmajew]

The majority of the economy will have to be open and operating by end of June. Government cannot afford to pay everyone to continue to have these kind of loses. plus Americans will not stay locked up this long. You will see law suits etc that force things open.

If the economy does not open by June so many industries will be dead and not able to come back.

 

[Andrew C]

A very large amount of money is being made available to help businesses and workers. It may take a few weeks to get there, but it is an unprecedented amount. Patience will be required for businesses to weather the storm, just as patience is required by everyone in the population being asked to stay home.

Yes. And more money is already being requested because more will be needed on top of what was already included in the latest bill.

You make it sound very easy for businesses to just “weather the storm” because they are getting some assistance from the government.

Bottom line, I am hopeful parts of the economy will start to open back up when it makes sense to do so. The data being compiled each and every day will play a major role in that decision making process.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You make it sound very easy for businesses to just “weather the storm” because they are getting some assistance from the government.

Exactly. Most small to medium businesses need the initial money just to survive for this time period. It won’t cover them if this gets extended or the customers don’t come back when they reopen.

The actual amount of money small businesses are getting individually is pretty small.

 

[Calmdownnow]

Bottom line, I am hopeful parts of the economy will start to open back up when it makes sense to do so. The data being compiled each and every day will play a major role in that decision making process.

I think we can both agree that this should be the case.

 

[MissingDisney]

Can’t imagine what the families and you are going through. Sending virtual hugs to all

Thank you- and many virtual hugs and love to all those on here who’ve mentioned sick friends and family. It’s nerve wracking because everything can literally change in a few hours time. It can happen that quickly.

And to all those who are on the front lines-Many of you are married to them or they are your children—- docs, nurses, hospital staff, FD, LE, EMT-wow-such amazing people. And the people at Walmart, Target, etc. God bless them. I saw a teenager wrangling carts and picking up the gloves idiots left on the ground in the parking lot and just started sobbing. As a mom I was so concerned about him. My teen son is currently laid off from his job and I couldn’t be more thankful. I get all the economic stuff. Trust me, I do. I’m a college graduate with a professional job blah blah blah but no one is talking about how much money my passed friends had. We’re remembering what amazing people they were. That’s what matters.

Be kind.

 

[GoofGoof]

Bottom line, I am hopeful parts of the economy will start to open back up when it makes sense to do so.

I am pretty sure this is how just about everyone feels. There’s no “side” to this that wants to keep the economy shut down for no good reason.

Exactly. Most small to medium businesses need the initial money just to survive for this time period. It won’t cover them if this gets extended or the customers don’t come back when they reopen.

You can’t force customers to come back. The best way to get the economy going and people back to spending is to have a solid plan detailing when and how things will open and reassuring people that processes are in place to make it safe to come out. Setting an arbitrary date without details or a solid plan will not help.

 

[Calmdownnow]

Exactly. Most small to medium businesses need the initial money just to survive for this time period. It won’t cover them if this gets extended or the customers don’t come back when they reopen.

It's good that the money will be there short term, but business survival longer term -- including tourism-based businesses like WDW -- will depend on customer confidence and confidence will not be there if a premature relaxation of social distancing creates a second or third spike in infection rates over the late summer/fall period.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Still?? ^ ^ ^ ??

I kind of enjoy that there is a side argument over rollercoaster payment and installation in the middle of the larger pandemic discussion. It's totally absurd, but why not?

 

[Andrew C]

The best way to get the economy going and people back to spending is to have a solid plan detailing when and how things will open open and reassuring people that processes are in place to make it safe to come out.

This seems like the way we are going....

 

[GoofGoof]

This seems like the way we are going....

I hope so. So far all the people who matter as far as making decisions seem to want to go that way. It’s only some of the media talking head types pushing for a fast opening.

 

[Calmdownnow]

This seems like the way we are going...." QUOTE

I shall join the chorus on this thread of people asking "do you have any authoritative evidence of that?

 

[EagleScout610]

Osceola county just announced that you must wear a face mask in public starting next week. $500 fine or up to 60 days in jail.

Wouldn't be shocked if Cleveland does something similar

 

[Andrew C]

Based on the daily briefings. Based on how my governor talks about the situation. And based on a task force being put together to determine when and in what manner can the economy and country be reopened (which I know freaks people out even though we should have learned it is better to be prepared).

 

[Calmdownnow]

Based on the daily briefings. Based on how my governor talks about the situation. And based on a task force being put together to determine when and in what manner can the economy and country be reopened (which I know freaks people out even though we should have learned it is better to be prepared).

In the UK, the restoration group is established at the same time as the emergency response group and works in parallel throughout the emergency, not four months into the emergency. I don't know who your Governor is and whether he/she is data-based in their presentation. From what I have seen of live broadcasts (and I follow many in various states, because professionally I have an interest in emergency response) the quality of the information varies very considerably -- remember Georgia did not know about asymptomatic infection transfer until a week ago. I will not comment on the quality of information from some of the people participating in the daily briefing.

 

[MaximumEd]

Health, economics, coaster construction, contract law, the failings of our educational system.......this thread really does have it all.

 

[Flugell]

Except the answer to how to get out of this dreadful situation!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Mayo Clinic is instituting across the board pay cuts and furloughs to shoulder a projected $3 billion loss this year.

The pay and work reductions, which will apply to all employees at Mayo’s campuses in Minnesota, Florida and Arizona, will start in May, and last until the end of the year. Together, Mayo employs more than 63,000 people.

Mayo Clinic announces sweeping pay cuts, furloughs

The changes come in response to halting elective surgeries and procedures, which Mayo officials say are predicted to result in a $3 billion loss by the end of the year.

www.mprnews.org

Cause when it’s about life and death...you can’t do it without profit

I’ll throw my praise towards the Cleveland clinic...for now

 

[DisneyCane]

Just because you are the busiest airport doesn't mean that most of the people using the airport end up in the city where the airport resides. Some airports like Atlanta and DFW are known more as hubs because large carriers use them as central points for their airlines like Delta in Atlanta or AA in DFW. Those two are big hubs are also known for lots of international travel by those carriers which means lots of people are brought into them and then shuffled right back out somewhere else. But you can be assured that people traveling in airports are being exposed, even if the deciding factor on what cities will be impacted rests with where those travelers actually end up. I never said that cities with airports would have lots of infections only that when people use airports that they will be exposed and infected.

The flight attendants who come into contact with the passengers are based there and the flight deck and cabin crews from international flights that aren't based there stay and eat there.

My initial impression based on what we've seen is population density is the primary fuel for a major outbreak. Mass transit use is secondary.

We've seen significant outbreaks on cruise ships and in nursing homes. Both have a high "population density" so to speak.

The big question to answer is what is the main method of transmission when you have high population density. Is it cough and sneeze droplets, aerosols from talking and/or breathing or surfaces?

 

[DisneyCane]

There are studies coming out that suggest we've vastly underestimated the number of people who currently have or have had the virus, too.

Which is one reason I've begun to question whether "mitigation" is actually doing anything or if what is really happening is we're much farther into the curve than thought. I will try and make an illustration tomorrow to make this more clear.

The IHME model now says the peak death day already happened. Since deaths lag cases (not disputed), it doesn't make sense for deaths to peak so quickly after the data shows the case peak.

I'm starting to think the exponential case growth was really just exponential testing growth. If that is the case (it's just a theory of mine) then it throws the estimate of Ro out of whack.

In Italy, after a month of national lockdown there are still more new confirmed cases than there were the day after the lockdown.

I need to research exactly what they did in South Korea. They basically went through the entire hill of the curve in two weeks. From what I remember, I don't think they did any lockdown or extreme social distancing orders (I could be wrong). I remember reading about temperature checks all over the place and wearing masks.