Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Casper Gutman]

So many strawman arguments. Not going to waste my time with them, but I'm sure you all know that which is why you post them.
How else are you going to avoid a real discussion where you might have to concede that you may be wrong on some things. Or that others who feel differently may actually have valid, logical reasons. I know it's just easier to paint people as conspiracy theorists, or fringe whatever than admit you may be wrong or god forbid understand where someone is coming from.
Continue being sheep

On that, have a great day everyone, I've got to get ready for my WDW trip!!!!

Out of curiosity, what would you say are your top sources of information?

 

[kong1802]

I will gladly say I do not understand why any parent would want their child to risk getting a disease that is easily preventable. The idea that we are worse off without polio is nonsense.

Tell that to the iron lung companies who had to lay off hundreds! /s

 

[Disney Experience]

I’ve read several articles about the numbers in Iceland. I never took it as a “vaccinations don’t work” argument…only that eventually the vaccinated cases will be larger than the unvaccinated due to almost everyone there being vaccinated.

CDC has a chart showing expected % cases being vaccinated depending on percent pop vaccinated and how effective the vaccine being administered is. Iceland’s VE ( vaccine effectiveness ) is 60%.

 

[Disney Experience]

On a personal note my Covid cough from my mid June bout with covid ( fully vaccinated) seems to have finally disappeared ( or at least is no longer often enough for me to be aware of it).


Glad it is gone. Telling someone that, “ Yeah, I had covid19 but am fine now “ then coughing does not make others feel that you will not give them the virus ( even if the science says you will not cause them to get covid19)

The cough was always dry and not painful, and I understood it was just part of the healing snd recovery process.

 

[KrzyKtty]

I will gladly say I do not understand why any parent would want their child to risk getting a disease that is easily preventable. The idea that we are worse off without polio is nonsense.

I definitely do not want my child to be at risk or get it, but I'm starting to realize that I'm playing a highly elaborate game of Russian roulette until she can finally get vaccinated. There's only so much I can do anymore. School starts next week and there is no mask requirement, parents are going to be allowed in the building without masks to walk their children to their classrooms. Blended and distance learning are no longer allowed. . At this point I can only do what I can do. I can tell my 8-year-old to wear her mask in the building, but if she's the only one in the entire school wearing it it's not going to protect her a whole lot. If their desks are no longer separated and there's no plexiglass between them, what's the point.

 

[DCBaker]

Mayor Demings has announced a third testing site (Clarcona Elementary School in Apopka) will be opening tomorrow -




Demings also announces Barnett park will no longer be administering vaccines as all vaccination will shift to Camping World Stadium.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

proactive

 

[lazyboy97o]

I definitely do not want my child to be at risk or get it, but I'm starting to realize that I'm playing a highly elaborate game of Russian roulette until she can finally get vaccinated. There's only so much I can do anymore. School starts next week and there is no mask requirement, parents are going to be allowed in the building without masks to walk their children to their classrooms. Blended and distance learning are no longer allowed. . At this point I can only do what I can do. I can tell my 8-year-old to wear her mask in the building, but if she's the only one in the entire school wearing it it's not going to protect her a whole lot. If their desks are no longer separated and there's no plexiglass between them, what's the point.

I was referring to parents who do not get their kids the MMR vaccine and also do not want their kids learning that there is an MMR vaccine they could get to protect themselves. I understand very well that many parents find themselves stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to schooling. I don’t begrudge anyone for struggling and making choices even they consider less than ideal.

 

[DCBaker]

Current vaccination status for Orange County via Mayor Demings -

The 14-day rolling positivity rate is 19.72%.

 

[GoofGoof]

Iceland = the new Sweden

Maybe this case surge is really all from Icelanders illegally sneaking into the country because it can’t be caused by the people here who refuse to get vaccinated. We have to come up with an alternative and defend the galactically stupid some more. It never fails to amaze me how much people can be part of the problem and not even see it.

 

[KrzyKtty]

I was referring to parents who do not get their kids the MMR vaccine and also do not want their kids learning that there is an MMR vaccine they could get to protect themselves. I understand very well that many parents find themselves stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to schooling. I don’t begrudge anyone for struggling and making choices even they consider less than ideal.

My 12-year-old basically got himself in line the second he could.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I will gladly say I do not understand why any parent would want their child to risk getting a disease that is easily preventable. The idea that we are worse off without polio is nonsense.

The last generation with widespread paralysis caused by poliomyelitis has now all but died off, so I wonder how much of that cultural memory is now gone. I had a great uncle severely paralyzed by the disease when he was a child. He spent most of his life in a Shriner's home, after spending several years in the hospital. Our visits to him were, to put it mildly, extremely sad affairs. The fact that we're debating "parental rights" over the public health of children is just mind-boggling. Especially when you see how poorly some children are treated by their own parents (I've seen things that should have given me PTSD in my career...)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The only think that is nonsense is believing that the government can do a better job taking care of your children than you can.
I mean can you imaging going through life thinking you need some higher authority to make decisions for you and your family?

I must be bored to debate a ghost account…but here goes

So a board certified physician that works for the health department is less qualified to judge what’s best for a child than any parent simply because they work for an agency?

got it

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My 12-year-old basically got himself in line the second he could.

Mine was in a trial and he practically rolled up his sleeve and walked out the door when we asked him

 

[Nubs70]

I must be bored to debate a ghost account…but here goes

So a board certified physician that works for the health department is less qualified to judge what’s best for a child than any parent simply because they work for an agency?

got it

Who has primary agency over the child? The parent or the physician?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I must be bored to debate a ghost account…but here goes

So a board certified physician that works for the health department is less qualified to judge what’s best for a child than any parent simply because they work for an agency?

got it

I was told last night by a friend that since the government and employers are bribing / forcing people to be vaccinated, that was proof that they don’t have the health of people in mind.

 

[Disney Experience]

Oh, and to further peace and harmony here , here are our two fur babies this morning.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Who has primary agency over the child? The parent or the physician?

I would ask who was educated to address maladies based on biology and chemistry?

my point: this is yet another example of the “cult of stupid”
…because people form their opinions…does not mean they all have equal value and are correct.

 

[SammyMF]

Who has primary agency over the child? The parent or the physician?

That puts the cart before the horse, as it were. The first question that would need to be answered is whether or not there is child neglect. If not, then its a moot point.

 

[willtravel]

I just got a statement from my health insurance that the medical center used for my Covid shot charged my insurance. Granted it is only 16.94 and paid in full but did not expect that. I guess that is why they ask for your insurance card. The shot is free but the nurse/facility is not?