Construction bids going out for TLM attraction?

Arch Angel

Arch Angel

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goodtimes5286 said:
I hate to tell you champ, but EE isn't an E-ticket (according to the industry), posted by an imageneer (who is in the industry and actually uses these terms). ToT was the last TRUE, INDUSTRY E-ticket.
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You need to stop going to disney world and start visting some REAL theme parks. Indiana Jones, Spider-Man, Jurassic Park, and virtually all of Tokyo Disneysea all came out after ToT and were far superior.

The Little Mermaid attraction from what I understand will be an e-ticket built to be of the same scope as Pirates of the Caribbean, Splash Mountain, and Haunted Mansion.
 
tirian

tirian

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Goodtimes,

I don't want to argue or condescend to personal attacks (which, incidentally, are forbidden on these forums). Just accept that we agree to disagree, and we will both let it go.

EDIT: With all due respect to whylightbulb, his statement is simply his opinion too, not an industry fact. Quoting other posts on an anonymous board hardly counts as a rebuttal; it's like using Wikipedia as a source for a university research paper.
 
Crazy Harry

Crazy Harry

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goodtimes5286 said:
lol i dont think id notice, PLUS you cant compare anything on BTRR to the yeti, or even the yeti shadow ripping up the track. imo it needed a referb before HM, and def before what they actually DID on PoTC

to quote lee "Both waterfalls, train steam, mist in the caves, snow blowing off the mountain, Yeti, falcon, etc." plus the shadowing of the yeti, the ripped up and reversed track, the inside the caves outside the mountain looks including the mountain AND the vegitation, rocks, etc.

pirates has what, a couple anamatronics that barely move, a removed talking skull (that was one of the coolest parts), a treasure room that i (admittedly) dont really get....i mean really what DOES pirates have? To be honest it's unfair to compare an attraction built now to then, but i think a lot of people have there nastalsia glasses on when they ride the old rides. It's impossible to compare rides of now to rides of then because people already have rides like pirates and SM up on a petalstil so high, NOTHING wdw builds would be able to surpass them.

Take someone who hasnt EVER been to disney and put them on PoTC and EE and see which one they're more impressed with
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A few more things...

Old is not always better and new is not always better. It's a case to case basis. Sure people will always have their opinions. But if I were to make an argument by your logic, which essentially implies the more thrilling or technological the ride is (although at times its difficult to understnd exactly what you are arguing), and/or the newer it is the better, then monsters inc or stitch should have a greater drawing power than space mountain which is an old shaky coaster in the dark. Yet, it had a 70 min wait time minimum when i was there for spring break. Stitch however was a walk on.

Does mist of all things make EE better than pirates?! Really?! The things you used to compare pirates and EE make no sense to me. Are water falls, train steam and mist incredible elements? Yet you fail to mention davy jones projected on a wall of mist, or the fifty some odd AAs (not a few) including one that whistles which I think is quite impressive, cannon balls fired in the water, the burning town, a completely immersive environment ect. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but you're argument to prove EE is better is lacking. Better yet, let's compare the hauntede mansion (pre refurb) to EE. SUrly mist and train smoke do not trump the stretching room, see through ghosts, skulls coming out of organs, endless hallway, singing busts, hitch hiking ghosts ect. And yes, EE has the yeti, but it doesn't even work right. Atleast the pirates AAs move a little as opposed to not at all.

In an arguement you made earlier, you sited DHS attendance as proof that the little mermaid is no longer viable as a draw (because the attendance at DHS was not as high as the other parks meaning mermaid did not draw them there). By that logic, I could say that swiss family tree house is more popular than EE because its at MK which has a better attendance than AK. Not to mention MK has mostly older attractions while AK has all newer attractions, and MK is the most visited park.

And yes, some people perfer the old rides. WHile its case to case for me, many of the old rides are better IMO. Still, splash, M:S, and TOT are better than many of the rides before them, IMO (just to prove i'm not a pure nostalgia freak).

Again, PLEASE don't take this as an attack, I just like discussing these things.
 
hardcard

hardcard

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EE not a E Ticket? Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!


wait hold on, I need to breathe in..


Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
 
jt04

jt04

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krankenstein said:
It is only marginally better with it...
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True. Maybe they should do an "American Grafitti" overlay and create a "1950's-Land" in that corner of the park. It'd fit perfectly with the Twilight Zone theme too since the hotel would loom over the area. They could even move the Prime Time Cafe there. Just a thought.
 
krankenstein

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jt04 said:
True. Maybe they should do an "American Grafitti" overlay and create a "1950's-Land" in that corner of the park. It'd fit perfectly with the Twilight Zone theme too since the hotel would loom over the area. They could even move the Prime Time Cafe there. Just a thought.
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American Grafitti = Universal :animwink:

I mean the launch is great on RNRC, but after that it is kind of blah to me. I think they could have bought a better coaster design personally. :shrug:
 
goodtimes5286

goodtimes5286

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Crazy Harry said:
A few more things...

Old is not always better and new is not always better. It's a case to case basis. Sure people will always have their opinions. But if I were to make an argument by your logic, which essentially implies the more thrilling or technological the ride is (although at times its difficult to understnd exactly what you are arguing), and/or the newer it is the better, then monsters inc or stitch should have a greater drawing power than space mountain which is an old shaky coaster in the dark. Yet, it had a 70 min wait time minimum when i was there for spring break. Stitch however was a walk on.

Does mist of all things make EE better than pirates?! Really?! The things you used to compare pirates and EE make no sense to me. Are water falls, train steam and mist incredible elements? Yet you fail to mention davy jones projected on a wall of mist, or the fifty some odd AAs (not a few) including one that whistles which I think is quite impressive, cannon balls fired in the water, the burning town, a completely immersive environment ect. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but you're argument to prove EE is better is lacking. Better yet, let's compare the hauntede mansion (pre refurb) to EE. SUrly mist and train smoke do not trump the stretching room, see through ghosts, skulls coming out of organs, endless hallway, singing busts, hitch hiking ghosts ect. And yes, EE has the yeti, but it doesn't even work right. Atleast the pirates AAs move a little as opposed to not at all.

In an arguement you made earlier, you sited DHS attendance as proof that the little mermaid is no longer viable as a draw (because the attendance at DHS was not as high as the other parks meaning mermaid did not draw them there). By that logic, I could say that swiss family tree house is more popular than EE because its at MK which has a better attendance than AK. Not to mention MK has mostly older attractions while AK has all newer attractions, and MK is the most visited park.

And yes, some people perfer the old rides. WHile its case to case for me, many of the old rides are better IMO. Still, splash, M:S, and TOT are better than many of the rides before them, IMO (just to prove i'm not a pure nostalgia freak).

Again, PLEASE don't take this as an attack, I just like discussing these things.
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The stuff about TLM ride has been discussed ad nausium and i admitted that i was wrong(i thought it was going in TL) anything in parts of the park i dont go into dont bother me, so if they drop TLM ride into FL i wont see it anyways.

Onto PoTC vs EE, once again this is my opinion, i think that EE is better then PoTC and nothings gonna change that (just like nothing is gonna change the fact that you love PoTC obviously), that being said......

Externally EE trumps PoTC HANDS DOWN. The mountain uses forced prospective, it looks far off in the distance and the closer you get the more it looks like a behemioth. Outside of PoTC it's just a building, like any other. The queue on both are good imo. However I give the edge to EE, it tells more of a story then PoTC, you start at a basecamp, then walking around nepal around a temple, then you start seeing evidence of the yeti, etc.

The rest of this is going to be more opinion based and probably where most people are going to disagree. I give the ride vehical to EE, the seats are comfortable, have places to hold stuff, and its a tea train adding to the ride (not saying a boat doesnt add to the ride im just saying). The mist with barbosa is impressive, but it doesnt really seam to fit, its so advanced and technical, then when i go into the pirates ride, it doesnt seam like anything's changed. Johnny depp is the only AA that looks even good imo. And yes PoTC has a ton of AA (i thought it was closer to 150), but even 200 bad AA's dont make it better then 1 of the most advanced AA's ever built. The cannon ball effect was good for it's time, i would like it better if you could feel the cannonballs brease past your head, adding to the effect. Also the story of EE is told much better then PoTC, the difference between rolling through a pirates world and going to climb a mountain and escaping from a yeti attack. What does J depp or the king have to do with the ride at the end anyways? It's like the prisoners are captured, but then theres still chaos?

I'm im kind of a rush so sorry if i broke from the form i had before, l8er
 
whylightbulb

whylightbulb

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tirian said:
EDIT: With all due respect to whylightbulb, his statement is simply his opinion too, not an industry fact. Quoting other posts on an anonymous board hardly counts as a rebuttal; it's like using Wikipedia as a source for a university research paper.
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As others have mentioned, I too was under the impression that the "e ticket" label was not a subjective term for whether or not you think its a good attraction. I suppose the point is a little mute because the ticket system was used so long ago, but for argument sake, if an e ticket is supposed to be the best of the best, why would Disney spend 100 million on something short of e ticket status? I'm just curious what are the criterion you believe constitute an e ticket attraction (or this imagineer for that matter)?
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I apologize for not being clear enough in my post. I never said EE was not an E-ticket. What I meant to convey was that TOT was the last true E-ticket to meet Disney Standards of quality that had been set in years past. EE meets just about every criteria for an E-ticket attraction. I was just pointing out that in terms of quality and sheer number of show elements (one of the main components of a Disney attraction that separate them from a standard roller coaster) EE is lacking.
 
EpcotServo

EpcotServo

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Short and sweet...

A: Everest isn't "lacking" anything except upkeep.

B: It's NOT better than Pirates, mainly Disneyland's.

C: Who can hook me and Lee up with a lights on ride of RNR?


(Nope, Floor is not open to debate...Unless it's about that last part.)
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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I'll just add a quick two cents worth that Disney has added many attractions that THEY internally consider to be E-Tix since ToT in 1994.

Everything from RnRC to TT to KS to CTX/Dinosaur to Soarin to MS to (yes) EE are all internally considered to be of that variety.

For me, there's only one of the above that equals E-Tix of the past (and I won't say which right now) ... and I think that's largely what the problem is. It's not that Disney hasn't spent money, built them (except for MK that is). It's that the quality just isn't up to what an E-Ticket was for the first 40-45 years of Disney theme parks.
 
tirian

tirian

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whylightbulb said:
I apologize for not being clear enough in my post. I never said EE was not an E-ticket. What I meant to convey was that TOT was the last true E-ticket to meet Disney Standards of quality that had been set in years past. EE meets just about every criteria for an E-ticket attraction. I was just pointing out that in terms of quality and sheer number of show elements (one of the main components of a Disney attraction that separate them from a standard roller coaster) EE is lacking.
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Cool, then we agree anyway. :wave:
 
marsrunner

marsrunner

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WDW1974 said:
I'll just add a quick two cents worth that Disney has added many attractions that THEY internally consider to be E-Tix since ToT in 1994.

Everything from RnRC to TT to KS to CTX/Dinosaur to Soarin to MS to (yes) EE are all internally considered to be of that variety.

For me, there's only one of the above that equals E-Tix of the past (and I won't say which right now) ... and I think that's largely what the problem is. It's not that Disney hasn't spent money, built them (except for MK that is). It's that the quality just isn't up to what an E-Ticket was for the first 40-45 years of Disney theme parks.
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Those are definitely all E Tickets, if it can be said that an E Ticket is a poor E Ticket. :) I'd only call one of them as good as E Tickets of the past, although I actually enjoy all but one of them a bit. KS is a true E Ticket to me, the only one of the above I don't think is any good at all is EE, the others I enjoy to some degree even if I think they are lacking certain elements (not all the same elements, either) of a true E Ticket.

As has been said, if Disney wants to call SGE an E Ticket, its an E Ticket. Doesn't make it a good attraction though. :)
 

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