Considering driving instead of flying because of TSA

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Sadiebird

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I have a trip to WDW planned for May 2011. I've already purchased my flights, but I'm seriously considering requesting a refund based on all the stories I've been reading about the invasive security procedures being used by the TSA. I don't have a problem going through a metal detector or having my bag searched. I don't even have a problem with a standard pat down. But I do have a problem with being strip searched by a machine. And if I choose to opt out of that, I also have a problem with a pat down that involves touching my private areas. I don't want to subject myself or my 5 year old son to these things so that we can get on a plane and fly to Disney World. I'd rather drive 17 hours in a car. My husband has convinced me to wait until closer to our trip to get a refund on the plane tickets, just in case the TSA decides to back down on their procedures. I'm just wondering if anyone else is feeling this way. I can't believe this is the direction our country is heading. :(
 

Victoria

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Hell, I might fly more often! :eek:

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ornurse

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Sadiebird, I agree with you. We only live about 7.5 hrs away but I will never fly to WDW. By the time we drive to the airport (1hr), park the car and get there 2 hrs before out flight to make sure we get thru Hartsfield's security, board the plane, fly the 1.5 hr flight, then land and get the magical express and make it to the hotel, we have spent almost 5 or 6 hrs getting to Orlando. I think the planes are germy and smell like diesel fuel (Sorry Delta and Airtran). Now with the added security (which I somewhat understand) I just have no desire to ever fly again. I even drive to Philly and back to visit relatives to avoid planes. We lived in the DC area during 9/11 and I never want our country to go thru that terror again, but apparently even with full body scans terrorists are putting packages with bombs on them in our planes or trying to. Get a portable DVD player for your little one and spend the night along the way. It will end up being cheaper than flying and you will have your own transportation to use at Disney anyhow! Safe and fun travels to you!
 
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smk

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I am in the "I have to keep flying camp." Driving across Newfoundland is about 10 hours. Then you have a six hour expensive ferry, then another 10 hours or so to get to the US border, and then I am in Maine!!

I do find the scanners, etc. a pain, and air travel has lost its allure.

All of these new scanners have a major flaw, they cannot scan inside orfices, underneath folds of skin, etc.
I met a very nice lady from Newfoundland (lounging at/in the pool) this past September when were visiting and staying All Star Sports, was that a relative of yours or perhaps, you? If so, then :wave:. If not then well, maybe we will met sometime!

We don't fly, we drive. The cost of flying rarely is cheaper than driving. I don't have a problem flying, even tho I hate the scanners and pat downs. My DH hates flying and recently has developed a fear of flying that he overcomes, but it does cause him some distress. Put all of that together and driving makes the most sense to us.
 
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smk

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Once, while flying to CA from Indy our daughter, then 16 was pulled aside for extra screening. I was mortified for her and stood by while she first was questioned, and then "wanded". The agent started the "wanding" proceedure by asking her "have you ever been wanded" and she looked surprised and said "NO, I have never been wanted", we all laughed nervously and then the lady agent said "no, have you ever been wanded?" while showing DD the "wand" in her hand. DD kinda laughed and said "no", then she proceeded to get "wanded". Later, DD said she was scared and thought the TSA agent was suggesting she was "wanted" for some reason, by the police. It was scary for her and she was trying to be brave but even for her adavanced teen years ,and her parents by her side, she was intimidated and scared. If I had young ones I don't know that I would voluntarily put them in that position.
 
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bkgrim

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These are all great ideas and only you have to be the one to decide what is best for you. Our family looks at it this way. We have been driving to Disney for 12 years now. (since our son was 1)
3 People traveling to Disney (2 adults- 1 13 year old)
cost to fly to disney from Ohio $800.00 with tips/parking flight
Drive for $300.00
Fly - 2 1/2 to airport
2 hour extra for securty
1 1/2 hour flight if you are luck
4 hours + but most flights go to Georgia for MD with layovers
1 hour to get bags/Magical express
1 hour to get back home to Disney
Total 8 to 11 hours
Drive 16 hour trip (1025) miles to the door
Would leave at 2am and I would drive until empty around 7-8am
Breakfast and my wife would drive. I would sleep about 1/2 hour and decide I would like to arrive at Disney alive so I switch and drive again. We try to eat a late dinner at Studios that night. We bring 3 cases of water and breakfast for the mornings - a finger food for the room.
This saves us much money and in turn we stay extra time at Disney.
We have been able to stay at Disney for about 30 to 40 days each year.
Each time we have been planning a little side trip (2 to 3 hours) to get out of the car and see things. Coke plant in Georga - Smokey Mountains etc. We did "redneck" it down years ago (Put small TV on Milk crate and let child watch TV to Florida. When he got older I would also include PS2 and Guitar Hero. Now I am just waiting for him to drive so I can put my big butt in the back of the SUV and watch TV all the way to Florida.
You have to decide what is best for your family. Sometimes this is the best bonding time for a family and what your family will remember.
Remember the Griswalds?
 
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YoungNY

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Once, while flying to CA from Indy our daughter, then 16 was pulled aside for extra screening. I was mortified for her and stood by while she first was questioned, and then "wanded". The agent started the "wanding" proceedure by asking her "have you ever been wanded" and she looked surprised and said "NO, I have never been wanted", we all laughed nervously and then the lady agent said "no, have you ever been wanded?" while showing DD the "wand" in her hand. DD kinda laughed and said "no", then she proceeded to get "wanded". Later, DD said she was scared and thought the TSA agent was suggesting she was "wanted" for some reason, by the police. It was scary for her and she was trying to be brave but even for her adavanced teen years ,and her parents by her side, she was intimidated and scared. If I had young ones I don't know that I would voluntarily put them in that position.



Sorry, but I don't understand why anyone would be scared in that situation. Nothing happened. I guess it's all in the way you see things. She wasn't questioned, the officer was trying to make her feel more comfortable. By asking if she had been wanded lets the officer know if she understands what is going to happen or if she needs it to be explained to her. I have no idea why she would intimidated unless she expected something to happen. Sorry, I just don't understand. I've wanded and pat down plenty of young people and none of them have ever had that reaction before. Even the toddlers and babies are more curious and want to play then scared. However, every once in awhile there'll be a parent that thinks TSA and all people who works for it are crap and/or will think getting searched is a huge issue and then that attitude and behavior will get passed down to the child, but as long as the officer is nice, I've never had a problem wanding or patting down babies, childern or teens.
 
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loveofamouse

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On my son's 5th Bday this past August, we surprised him and his 2 year old sister with a trip to WDW. We travel a lot. My son has probably flown over 50 times, and my daughter over 20. It's never been a problem. However this time we went through security and I showed the TSA agent our boarding passes and my wife's and my driver's licences. He looked at my son's boarding pass and asked him what my son's name was. My son whipsered "Tommy" being a little shy. The TSA agent then said "What, speak up." At which point my son again said "Tommy" and hid somewhat behind my leg. Then the TSA agent asked him who I was in a serious tone. Our last names are the same. My son froze up and didn't answer. This occured for the next 2-3 minutes as people behind us were getting exasperated. I finally realized that my wife had the kids' passport cards and we showed them to the TSA agent and he finally let us through. I thought it was unbelievable that he wasn't going to let us pass because my just-turned-five year old son was intimidated and wouldn't answer his question. Has this ever happened to anyone else? I'm all in favor of trying to keep us safe, but this, really?!?!?

Also, in terms of the body scanner thing, I'm a family doc, so my sense of modesty has been lost as I start almost every day looking where the sun don't shine. If some guy want to look at my stuff, whatever.



See this is one of my personal issues with TSA now. I don't care about the body scans. It's no different than a medical scan. I have issue with how stupid things have gotten in the name homeland security. Making women drink breastmilk/formula. Harassing SN kids' families because of their medical equipment. Making people throw out the tiniest bit of liquid even if sealed. Telling families they can't fly because their 6month old's name is on the no fly list.

When I was prego with my oldest, we flew out to NM to visit DH's family. His dad gifted him a small, decorative knife. Well, both DH and I were active duty. We got to the airport and, at check in, showed the box and knife to desk people and showed that we were checking it into the luggage to go UNDER the plane. Showed Mil. IDs and I woddled my 8 month pregnant @$$ over to security. They redmarked our passes for a FULL search. We were pulled aside and had to go down barefeet, remove sweatshirts. i had to take my hair down and have my hair checked, get wanded and patted, etc. They did me first. While they were doing DH, I told them I had to ______. I have this HUGE prego belly (that they've already verified was real:rolleyes: ) and even offered to be followed. Security refused to let me go to the bathroom. I almost peed myself! It felt so demeaning being huge pregnant barely clothed and barefoot in the middle of the airport being told I couldn't ______ because we were honest and declared what we had! And I've got friends who've been treated worse.

To top that, airlines are getting more and more careless with people's luggage and breaking things. Fees out the wazoo! And personally, I think the airports are in with TSA. I think someone did the math on how much money was missed because people brought their own food and drinks in their carry ons so now, in the name of security, you can't bring liquids in but, conveniently, the airport is selling high priced goodies on the other side :rolleyes:


I also think travel times by air has just gotten crazy.
you factor in how early you have to leave before your flight ~~ 2+hrs
Checking in ~~20-45min depending on the people in line in front of you
getting through security
waiting for boarding
then the actual flight
long layovers (with screaming tired kids)
or short layover because of delays (running across airport with toddlers and strollers)
another boarding
flight time
waits at baggage claim
getting a rental or waiting for bus

you've been travelling all day! lol At least in the car, you're in your own personal space listening to music and singing as loud as you want. You get to eat a real meal during your trip instead of spending a good 12hrs travelling by air on peanuts and cheeze its. lol I was just looking at flights from Jacksonville to where we are and it would take a good 10+hrs. It takes 10hrs to drive here. lol. My mom and I were just flabergasted. There wasn't any direct flights to any surrounding airports, including DC. Every flight stopped way north of here before boarding another flight to come here. Some flights when to chicago then came back this way. That's just nuts!!
 
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Master Yoda

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you've been travelling all day! lol At least in the car, you're in your own personal space listening to music and singing as loud as you want. You get to eat a real meal during your trip instead of spending a good 12hrs travelling by air on peanuts and cheeze its. lol I was just looking at flights from Jacksonville to where we are and it would take a good 10+hrs. It takes 10hrs to drive here. lol. My mom and I were just flabergasted. There wasn't any direct flights to any surrounding airports, including DC. Every flight stopped way north of here before boarding another flight to come here. Some flights when to chicago then came back this way. That's just nuts!!
You ain't kidding. I considered taking a flight from Jacksonville to Orlando as a research trip for DME. I had to go to Miami first then Orlando. Flight time was 5.5 hours. The drive to WDW is about 2.5 hours.
 
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GenerationX

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I can understand the issues folks have with the patdowns and the wanding of kids. In both situations, the average law abiding citizen is figuratively (and in the former case, literally) made to feel like a criminal. This, to me, is much worse than being scanned, which I rate as a very low grade invasion of privacy.

I'll still fly even with Scanners, Patdowns, and Wandings (which, coincidentally, was the subtitle of the first Dungeons & Dragons game) as long as I save time over driving. I'm willing to lose some dignity if we're accomplishing safety goals. To me, the hassle is all about the time factor, and I will avoid flying if it stops saving me time.
 
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Susan Savia

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Driving really isn't so bad. We allow in our schedule two days down and two days back. It is a 15 hour trip and so we do 8 hours on the first day and then 7 on the second day. On the 2nd day we make a stop in Daytona Beach to put our toes in the ocean water, and take a break from the road. Its usually a beautiful day and its a good feeling to let the sun shine on your face and feel the ocean breeze and then hop back in the car for the remainder of our trip to the World. We listen to our Disney CDs and other recorded music from past trips and favorite attraction songs (Epcot's future world music for example). The time goes on by and we're there. We always carry snacks and drinks in the car to hold us the first half of our stay and replenish it for the 2nd half and return home trip at Walmart. It's nice to park at the door to our lodging for easy unpacking and jaunts to and from the parks. :)
 
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LeafsFanNL

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I met a very nice lady from Newfoundland (lounging at/in the pool) this past September when were visiting and staying All Star Sports, was that a relative of yours or perhaps, you? If so, then :wave:. If not then well, maybe we will met sometime!

We don't fly, we drive. The cost of flying rarely is cheaper than driving. I don't have a problem flying, even tho I hate the scanners and pat downs. My DH hates flying and recently has developed a fear of flying that he overcomes, but it does cause him some distress. Put all of that together and driving makes the most sense to us.

I don't think any of my relatives were down there in September. Newfoundlanders are famous for their friendliness, comes from the harshness of the environment I suppose.

As a hypothetical, I guess if I lived close enough to get there in about 8-10 hours, I'd drive. Four days is a no brainer.

HB
 
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minniemickeyfan

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They were definitely non-refundable, but I'm certainly going to try for a refund. Worst case scenario, I could have a credit applied to my account in hopes that the security procedures will change in the future. But I'd have to use the credit by next fall. I'm pretty good at getting credits from companies though, so I plan on working my way up the managerial ladder until I get someone with the authority to refund my ticket.
I have gotten a refund on non-refundable tickets when I asked just because the time of the flight had moved just by about 20 minutes. I just said this wouldn't work for us and they gave me the refund.

We too have been driving lately because of airport problems. My daughter had a surgery where she has all this metal in her back and always goes off through the scanners. I have papers/xrays from the DR but they do no good and she still has to be patted down. Its very intimidating for her at age 12 so we gave up and started driving 19 hours. In her case, the body scanners may be useful to avoid the pat down, but driving just seems easier. Good luck to you.
 
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NYBaloo

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To me, the idea of a non-descript picture, possible pat down and a safe plane is far better than the torture of car travel. Driving from NY would completely ruin my vacation and also take up valuable Disney time.
 
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ddbowdoin

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To me, the idea of a non-descript picture, possible pat down and a safe plane is far better than the torture of car travel. Driving from NY would completely ruin my vacation and also take up valuable Disney time.


add a few hours for me coming from MA... aweful! I can't even drive 5-6 hours without my back starting to hurt or becoming annoyed.
 
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harryk

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Thought about driving and found that the 4 days lost with being on the road to and from WDW was not worth it. We shall continue to fly - so they take a look at a monochrome picture - whatever. I just wish that they would go with the scanners only and it would stop a lot of useless discussions. Give everyone the same choice - scanner or no-fly - forget the intrusive pat downs and no exemptions for anybody for any reason.

WDW is more important than the scanner/pat-down issues.
 
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