eddie104
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I'm pretty sure the trial hasn't happened yet and its possible he might get 7 years.
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CM Attacked at ToT
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John park hopper
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Don't know if others have posted the name of the POS's who punched Taylor Gragert (CM) in the eye and caused injury; Reported to be Jessica Grines 23 of Chicago. I'm very disappointed Disney and Taylor have not filed charges --sets a bad precedent that violence against Disney employees is tolerated over potential negative PR.
DisneyOutsider
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It's not really up to the CM and it's certainly not up to Disney. Though in misdemeanor scuffles such as this, if the victim states that they don't wish for charges to be filed, then the state or district attorney is unlikely to file charges.
This is far from the first time something like this has happened at Disney.
s8film40
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It is 100% up to the CM.
DisneyOutsider
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Common misconception, but not true. The victim does not press or file charges.. only a prosecutor. Additionally, a victim may say that they do not wish for charges to be filed, but a prosecuting attorney can decide to do so anyways without the victims cooperation. The reverse also happens more often when a victim wants charges to be filed but the prosecution feels there's insufficient evidence for criminal charges.
The misconception comes from when a victim says that they would like for charges to be filed and will cooperate with the prosecution in order to do so... in this sense, they are said to "press charges", but they don't really have final say.
Buried20KLeague
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I do... that doesn’t mean that a family full of people willing to punch cast members does. There are scams online. Maybe this family figured out they were scammed and took it out on the cast member.
Without something on paper, I don’t know how a CM would be presented with a FP, then tell the guest it wasn’t valid (as the story reads).
If it were a band or card, they’d have been told at the front entrance.
Maybe they knew they weren’t good FP’s, entered through standby, slipped to FP thinking that was the only check point (some guests have no clue), and thought they were home free till they were shut down by this CM they didn’t expect to be checking.
Point is, they had to have something on paper to be told the FP they presented wasn’t valid.
EDIT TO ADD: That is, unless the information in the story isn't correct.
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Buried20KLeague
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... In what is going down as the fastest trial in the history of the United States, in LA County of all places.
s8film40
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Yes eventually it’s up to the prosecutor, but in practice this is not how the process starts. The police will ask the victim if they would like to press charges. If yes they'll investigate and start the process to get things going in the court, if not they don’t really do anything and move on. You’re really looking at this with a bit of a stretch of technicalities.
DisneyOutsider
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The post I replied to said they were disappointed that the CM nor Disney "filed charges". Just pointing out that it's not up to either of them to file charges and that the prosecutor can file charges without the consent of the victim if they think the crime warrants it. Yes it's technical (though not a "stretch"), and "press charges" is a loosely-defined not-very-technical term... but it bothered me enough to post. Probably didn't add much of anything to the discussion, though. My apologies.
Yert3
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Some are. I received this last year when Space Mountain went down while waiting in line.
s8film40
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To be fair I do like exploring technicalities, so I appreciate the perspective you’re offering. Just in practical practice when the police are initially on the scene they very much leave it up to the victim if they want charges to be persued. Much of what you’re discussing would come a few steps down the road, and possibly could in this situation although probably unlikely.
tissandtully
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Are you OK?
With all due respect, (and I seriously mean that as you have always come.off as objective and open to discussion), my post said nothing in regards to glamorizing this type of behavior (but I agree that society does) nor did it mention that the person should not face a penalty. She absolutely should.
I only intended to highlight that the people exclaiming , "prison time, "locker her up", etc", are not exemplifying any form of civilized behavior beyond the assailants own knee jerk reaction to punch a CM. The woman should absolutely be held responsible for her actions. I am not saying the woman shouldn't be locked up. I'm just saying that people on a message board demanding punishment be issued swiftly and harshly are doing exactly what the woman did. Acting on emotion. We should strive to be better than that. And that does not mean forgiveness and let her walk.
Some (many) people struggle to deal with control (which is an illusion) and allow emotion to dictate their actions. But I digress. I sincerely appreciate your mature response which allows discussion to remain civil and doesn't incite the villagers to grab the pitchforks
ChrisFL
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so some demographics are dysfunctional? which ones?
jaklgreen
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Thank you for clarifying your stance. I do agree that any kind of rash actions is uncalled for. But I do understand that saying something on a discussion board does not mean that someone would lock her up and throw away the key without due process. But all too many of these kinds of behaviors go without any kind of punishment because the courts are overwhelmed with more serious issues. As a society, we are getting sick and tired of these kinds of acts going, basically, unpunished. I would put money on the fact that if punishments were swift and harsher, then more people would find it less difficult to "deal with self control."
My95cobras
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It’s battery... not assault.
How is it a felony?
If you worked for the state, I’d expect the no file letter in 24 days.
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ImperfectPixie
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From the KTLA article...
"The felony charges against him include domestic battery, assault with force likely to produce great bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon and two counts of criminal threats, prosecutors said. The misdemeanor charges include multiple counts each of battery, and child abuse and endangerment."
Aside from being a complete jerk to his family, he threatened to kill two of them and also tried to run over a CM with his car.
https://ktla.com/2019/07/23/2-men-w...ORXX2DA9K7mUf8vx3yzTj9uz-uvZQU8VqxnlpkvZnmKvY
"The felony charges against him include domestic battery, assault with force likely to produce great bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon and two counts of criminal threats, prosecutors said. The misdemeanor charges include multiple counts each of battery, and child abuse and endangerment."
Aside from being a complete jerk to his family, he threatened to kill two of them and also tried to run over a CM with his car.
https://ktla.com/2019/07/23/2-men-w...ORXX2DA9K7mUf8vx3yzTj9uz-uvZQU8VqxnlpkvZnmKvY
ObscurityPoint
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This may be one of the most accurate comments I’ve read all day. Glad to see someone perceives things the same way I do, especially when living in today’s climate where there’s a new “controversy” every 15 minutes. It’s all a game the media is playing on us. It’s always been this way. But now, they have the internet to get their word across.
NelsonRD
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In a forum where we are discussing violence against cast members, and your are asking me if 'I'm ok?
Tom P.
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*Denying* me sugar causes uninhibited aggression!