News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[britain]

I have a question for D'Amaro
Is it because of Encanto moved that you decided to abandon Desert Land knowing Cars wouldn't be accepted if brought in as Cars Land (DCA) further behind Coco.

Did you scrap Coco because Encanto was gone and didn't find Cars with Coco not fit like Encanto together even though both along Big Thunder are easily Desert environment properties? All you had left was Cars so you just turned it Frontier instead of just going Cars Land (DCA) behind Big Thunder?

I have a feeling this is WDW Operations ASKING for something to replace the river. They don't like operating it, they don't like that it's connected to the outer water system. And the want something to expand capacity without expanding the walking distance.

 

[Incomudro]

Well...
I've wanted a Cars ride at WDW, but not this way.
First off, I believed it should be in Hollywood Studios.
But ok, now it's in Frontierland.
I suppose I could have handled that if it was back behind Big Thunder somewhere.
But destroying Rivers of America for it?
No more water?
No more riverboat?
This is disgusting.
They remove everything that gave you a peaceful respite from all of the activity.
There was tranquility watching the boat come around the bend.
And this company has the nerve to be building a Walt Disney AA.
He should say "Why have you destroyed my company?"

 

[CaptainAmerica]

That’s an … interesting take.

It doesn't need to get physically larger. More acreage. Not "it never needs new things."

 

[Sectorkeeper71]

Something to be aware of. Plans to replace TSI and Rivers of America have been on the cards for years. What to put here has only recently been finalized.

This doesn’t surprise me. More guest space to spread people out, and I can imagine OPs is tired of having to shuttle things over to TSI every time something needs to be refurbed.

I wasn’t around for when 20k closed, but from what I’ve read the discourse around this decision seems similar: gonna save park ops some money, though at least in this case we aren’t gonna have a vacant lagoon sitting around for almost 2 decades

 

[erasure fan1]

Hey, you know what would expand capacity even more? Leaving the RoA/TSI as is and building Cars on new unused land!

I'd say you should be an executive at Disney. But it seems as you're not dumb enough. You can't go saying all these things that make sense.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

No more water?

I guess this is the part that I understand the least. That water is absolutely disgusting. It's dirty and brown and littered with garbage and it attracts smelly birds that poop on everything and attack you while you try to eat a turkey leg.

 

[Ghost93]

I took the afternoon off of reading this and suddenly there's 95 pages! Read the tea leaves, Disney! This ain't a good idea!

People on this site are just very, very against change.

I can sympathize with those who mourned the loss of Splash Mountain as that was a top 5 attraction and as iconic as Pirates of the Carribbean, the Haunted Mansion and it's a Small World. But I have a hard time believing there are that many die-hard Tom Sawyer Island fans. Hardly anyone goes on Tom Sawyer's Island and I doubt the average person would even know what the Rivers of America is when discussing theme parks. The Cars retheme announcement is something that will really only bother hyper-online parks fans.

Personally I like Tom Sawyer (the novel and its adaptaions) much more than I like Cars, but from a business standpoint this retheme is a no brainer. You are freeing up 10-12 acres that park guests rarely utilize and giving the crowds multiple major e-tickets in their place (cause removing the island also enhances access to the villain land).

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I'd say you should be an executive at Disney. But it seems as you're not dumb enough. You can't go saying all these things that make sense.

They want to keep more space open for expansions (they can now use the dry dock for the Liberty Belle for Coco or a Villians expansion)

Simple as that. They took out a low capacity, underutilized, and frankly somewhat problematic attraction in the meantime and can keep that space on reserve until they want to use it again.

 

[GenChi]

Planned to reply earlier then the news broke and the thread got swarmed

I also wonder if they’ve come to the realization - after building multiple clones of rides, sometimes at the same time - the variable headaches aren’t worth the supposed cost savings (which gets eaten up). Can’t imagine the ROTR or TBA buildouts were relatively cost friendly, given the delivery and operational problems at the outset.

I think this is an additional reason as well - by the time they factor the costs of mechanical issues, the lack of excitement for a clone people already experienced, and overall return for a new attraction, they figured out they get a better ROI if they just upfront commit to making unique versions then paying for a clone and dealing with that

So your answer is a Frozen ride is not ever going to come to Disneyland because any World of Arendale comes with a Frozen Ever After type of ride. How do you explain Galaxy's Edge..?? Thank you for confirming Coco is forever at West Coast now which we can breathe a shy of relief.

How they reacted just a few years ago isn't the same how different management does now. I think under current management you are not getting clones of rides between the resorts but different ride themes or even types if they use the same IP. If Frozen comes to Disneyland it's going to not be the same story or ride type as Frozen Ever After. If Coco comes to Disney World it's going to be something like that Soarin simulator rumor, not the Gran Fiesta Tour boat ride that DCA is getting. Same as we're seeing here with Cars, Indiana Jones or Avatar. That might chance under future leadership but that's how the current one is thinking. They want reason for you to visit Florida and California

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

People on this site are just very, very against change.

I can sympathize with those who mourned the loss of Splash Mountain as that was a top 5 attraction and as iconic as Pirates of the Carribbean, the Haunted Mansion and it's a Small World. But I have a hard time believing there are that many die-hard Tom Sawyer Island fans. Hardly anyone goes on Tom Sawyer's Island and I doubt the average person would even know what the Rivers of America is when discussing theme parks. The Cars retheme announcement is something that will really only bother hyper-online parks fans.

Personally I like Tom Sawyer (the novel and its adaptaions) much more than I like Cars, but from a business standpoint this retheme is a no brainer. You are freeing up 10-12 acres that park guests rarely utilize and giving the crowds multiple major e-tickets in their place (cause removing the island also enhances access to the villain land).

People showed up out of the woodworks to defend something the MOMENT Disney said its going away. I've heard people wanting to retheme Tom Sawyer and the rivers for ages. I can't wait to hear this exact same thing about Speedway whenever it inevitably closes. "It added so much kinetics" "It was a Walt attraction"

 

[erasure fan1]

and guns are not very cool to most younger audiences

Let me introduce to a little thing called call of duty.

 

[THEMEPARKPIONEER]

I didn’t realize how bad it could get, they have completely lost it. Revers of America really? They will completely deface a third of the park doing this. At least keep the waterfront part of it.

 

[erasure fan1]

Simple as that. They took out a low capacity, underutilized, and frankly somewhat problematic attraction in the meantime and can keep that space on reserve until they want to use it again.

Sooooooo like 2075?

 

[Incomudro]

Frontierland in its original theme/core idea has been irrelevant for decades. You have to remember it was built in a time where cowboys were all the rage, there was the "cowboys vs indians", gun slinging was seen as "cool". This is no longer the case. Cowboys aren't popular, they aren't idealized and are now seen in a different light, and guns are not very cool to most younger audiences and fail to connect in a family friendly park. It's simply times changing. People were upset about Tomorrowland not evolving with the new vision of the future. This is evolving to being about the American Frontier and removes the references and controversial nature. I mean a play area inspired by a book with slurs and racial stereotypes that no kid reads except as mandatory school reading... the writing was on the walls.

I agree with this to an extent.
Frontierland has always been one of my least favorite areas, largely because at 60 years old now - that cowboy and western thing already felt dated to me when I was a kid.
However...
What I do love, or have always loved about Disney World is how they used to care about the aesthetics of places that weren't rides.
Like the river.
That area just took me out of the chaos of the rest of the park.
Looking at the water, seeing the riverboat found the bend, hearing its horn...

 

[basas]

Frontierland in its original theme/core idea has been irrelevant for decades. You have to remember it was built in a time where cowboys were all the rage, there was the "cowboys vs indians", gun slinging was seen as "cool". This is no longer the case. Cowboys aren't popular, they aren't idealized and are now seen in a different light, and guns are not very cool to most younger audiences and fail to connect in a family friendly park. It's simply times changing. People were upset about Tomorrowland not evolving with the new vision of the future. This is evolving to being about the American Frontier and removes the references and controversial nature. I mean a play area inspired by a book with slurs and racial stereotypes that no kid reads except as mandatory school reading... the writing was on the walls.

I’m sorry, but I just fail to see how Frontierland is any less relevant today than Adventureland, Tomorrowland (remember the space-craze in the 60s), Fantasyland, Liberty Square or Main Street. Despite seven timeless lands, the park is the most visited in the world. I actually think you’ve made my point for me.

Read the plaque at the entrance to Magic Kingdom.

You seem to be doing a lot of generalizing in your post on what families or kids want.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Let me introduce to a little thing called call of duty.

Is Call of Duty still relevant? Pretty sure it's all about Fortnite now
You're right... FORTNITE LAND IN FRONTIERLAND. It's a bus ride simulator like Fast and Furious but you "drop" into a Fortnite game with Dr Strange, Rick and Morty, & Goku and have to stop the evil Dr Doom.

 

[basas]

I agree with this to an extent.
Frontierland has always been one of my least favorite areas, largely because at 60 years old now - that cowboy and western thing already felt dated to me when I was a kid.
However...
What I do love, or have always loved about Disney World is how they used to care about the aesthetics of places that weren't rides.
Like the river.
That area just took me out of the chaos of the rest of the park.
Looking at the water, seeing the riverboat found the bend, hearing its horn...

And yet for me, along with Liberty Square, it’s my favorite. I don’t give a hoot about villains land.

 

[Quietmouse]

Do we know if this cars frontier expansion will connect directly into villains land?

The concept art gives a very forestry, west cost nature vibe, and something that I think would be a very cool concept (again assuming they are connected) is to really emphasize the contract of light vs dark.

It would be a cool concept to go from this rugged forest terrain, almost what you would see in fairy tales and have paths that guests can get lost in (with fake dead ends) and have an experience that allows guests to go from this tranquil nature picturesque forest and continue on a forestry path that can accidentally lead guests to a more ominous and spooky forest that eventually reveals itself as villains land as they end their walk.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I agree with this to an extent.
Frontierland has always been one of my least favorite areas, largely because at 60 years old now - that cowboy and western thing already felt dated to me when I was a kid.
However...
What I do love, or have always loved about Disney World is how they used to care about the aesthetics of places that weren't rides.
Like the river.
That area just took me out of the chaos of the rest of the park.
Looking at the water, seeing the riverboat found the bend, hearing its horn...

I will also say though that based on the concept art we will be getting new naturey elements such as waterfalls, geysers, some river/water features, cars driving around as kinetics, etc. Maybe they could put a new play structure in this land after the old Splash one got removed, it's basically a whole miniland anyway

 

[Centauri Space Station]

I agree with this to an extent.
Frontierland has always been one of my least favorite areas, largely because at 60 years old now - that cowboy and western thing already felt dated to me when I was a kid.
However...
What I do love, or have always loved about Disney World is how they used to care about the aesthetics of places that weren't rides.
Like the river.
That area just took me out of the chaos of the rest of the park.
Looking at the water, seeing the riverboat found the bend, hearing its horn...

it seems some water will stay at least