TheRealSkull
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Suppose they are just removing the south side of the river? Sorry I'm late to the party with this news.
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News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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ToTBellHop
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Actually, on his deathbed, Walt told Roy to promise him he would one day build a Zootopia area connecting all of the World Showcase nations together. Perhaps that dream will be fulfilled in the 2030s.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Nothing is free at Disney. We’ll have to pay for the broken effects too.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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Exactly. I don’t care about the PNW not being Wild West, because Frontierland has just been about everyone past the colonies since the 90s. I just want the vibes to persist. I want to look on the water and feel a sense of peace and relaxation. Hopefully they can do that while adding some noise blocking to keep the screams at a minimum.
GenChi
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The big loss here isn't losing historical attractions or even the view.
The big loss here is that the river was the place to take a rest from Disney. This is where to go to when everything becomes overwhelming and you just need to get away from the shoulder to shoulder crowds, the screaming kids, the hyperactive oversensory of the rides and worlds, rude guests, the upcharges, everything for a half hour. If you needed to recharge or destress you could get on that boat and let your mind go before heading back to the rest of MK renewed. It felt like a immersive different world in itself and it's an intentional design, back when they were making this park they could have put the swampland water out further and built attractions where the river is, but they knew people really needed that so that guests can be calm and spend more without having to leave to get away. It might be hard for the Disney Adult who wants to live in an immersive Disney community to grasp, but the average guest can only take so much before being overwhelmed, and don't want to be immersed or swarmed with people the entire time. That's part of the reason Starcruiser failed, they overestimate how much the average guest wants to stay immersed without break.
That's an outcome that I think can't be expressed conventionally in spreadsheets. That's what these execs and the "everything needs to be 1 hour waits or it's not worth keeping" crowd here don't get. It was meant to be less crowded by design because it served its purpose of having guests escape the crowds when they need it so they stay in the parks happy to get more value out of them later. I know a lot of people who used it for that purpose, and it help both the guest and company needs. Now you're removing it for loud car vehicles from a massively popular IP which will bring the overcrowding, noise pollution, screaming kids, and general madness of the rest of the park here. There's now just about nowhere for people to get away from it at MK, especially for regular guests.
The impact of removing the river scenery and riverboat will show itself over time, just like not having any shade. They only look at a spreadsheet and shareholder opinions and see it doesn't have 1 hour waits and stampede-prone crowds around, so it needs to go. What they won't be able to find out immediately is when they find out guests are more stressed, overwhelmed, and wanting to leave sooner while spending less in later parts of the day. They aren't going to immediately get it because they'll see the stat of it being more crowded so it has to be better for the park. But they'll eventually see when guest response and individual spending at this park specifically decline. They might figure it out if they visit after this happens. But by the time they do it'll be too late to turn back.
The big loss here is that the river was the place to take a rest from Disney. This is where to go to when everything becomes overwhelming and you just need to get away from the shoulder to shoulder crowds, the screaming kids, the hyperactive oversensory of the rides and worlds, rude guests, the upcharges, everything for a half hour. If you needed to recharge or destress you could get on that boat and let your mind go before heading back to the rest of MK renewed. It felt like a immersive different world in itself and it's an intentional design, back when they were making this park they could have put the swampland water out further and built attractions where the river is, but they knew people really needed that so that guests can be calm and spend more without having to leave to get away. It might be hard for the Disney Adult who wants to live in an immersive Disney community to grasp, but the average guest can only take so much before being overwhelmed, and don't want to be immersed or swarmed with people the entire time. That's part of the reason Starcruiser failed, they overestimate how much the average guest wants to stay immersed without break.
That's an outcome that I think can't be expressed conventionally in spreadsheets. That's what these execs and the "everything needs to be 1 hour waits or it's not worth keeping" crowd here don't get. It was meant to be less crowded by design because it served its purpose of having guests escape the crowds when they need it so they stay in the parks happy to get more value out of them later. I know a lot of people who used it for that purpose, and it help both the guest and company needs. Now you're removing it for loud car vehicles from a massively popular IP which will bring the overcrowding, noise pollution, screaming kids, and general madness of the rest of the park here. There's now just about nowhere for people to get away from it at MK, especially for regular guests.
The impact of removing the river scenery and riverboat will show itself over time, just like not having any shade. They only look at a spreadsheet and shareholder opinions and see it doesn't have 1 hour waits and stampede-prone crowds around, so it needs to go. What they won't be able to find out immediately is when they find out guests are more stressed, overwhelmed, and wanting to leave sooner while spending less in later parts of the day. They aren't going to immediately get it because they'll see the stat of it being more crowded so it has to be better for the park. But they'll eventually see when guest response and individual spending at this park specifically decline. They might figure it out if they visit after this happens. But by the time they do it'll be too late to turn back.
I too want additions and not replacements! For me Disney Parks were the ultimate theme parks in that you could immerse yourself in the theming itself and not just go from ride line to ride line, The Rivers of America and Tom Sawyers Island are part of Walts legacy and somewhere you could immerse yourself in that theming. Its rather like removing the trees and greenery around the castle and main street and putting down astroturf! Finally, Walts original park didnt need IP's everywhere to be a success!!
SirLink
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Yip, there was a raft ride at one point that they were pondering before the economic downturn in 2014. TBH that made more sense than Cars ... but I'll let D'Amaro destroy the parks the way he feels fit.
In addition there is potential firework safety issues north of berm.
SirLink
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See New Fantasyland was billed as the largest expansion to Magic Kingdom.
KDM31091
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Exactly. As the park gets more crowded, with more stampede prone FOMO attractions and no escape or retreat, more overwhelming, hotter with less shade and fewer water features, people will inevitably stay for shorter periods, returning to their hotel or in the case of locals, home. Eventually, this will lead to lost revenue. But by then it will be far too late.
Virtual Toad
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Sigh.
TrainsOfDisney
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By the way - I bought a ticket to California to see the “brand new Galaxies Edge” - I went to the passholder preview for Everest and Avatar and booked trips around both.
On my last visit to WDW, I didn’t even want to pay extra to hop over to MK to see Tron. I’ll ride it when I get the chance but I have 0 interest in it.
Since attendance continues to drop - I question how many are like me and are no longer interested in these additions?
I am looking forward to the Encanto dark ride - that looks promising!
On my last visit to WDW, I didn’t even want to pay extra to hop over to MK to see Tron. I’ll ride it when I get the chance but I have 0 interest in it.
Since attendance continues to drop - I question how many are like me and are no longer interested in these additions?
I am looking forward to the Encanto dark ride - that looks promising!
doctornick
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Hey, you know what would expand capacity even more? Leaving the RoA/TSI as is and building Cars on new unused land!
Ice Gator
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I can tell discourse on this is already getting messy so I’m going to leave this thread be for a while.
Maybe it’s just me never caring for TSI that much outside of the views and visual storytelling of the ROA area, but I’m actually very excited for this expansion and version of Cars land. Maybe I’m crazy for that, but hey if Drew can be so optimistically positive for Tiana’s, then I guess I can be for this.
I don’t see it as anything extremely offensive compared to other recent choices they’ve made and I’ll respect everyone else’s takes since Cars is a very “” decision- but I’ve always felt MK was the park that would evolve significantly in the future and we’re finally getting a major change. Was it what I or anyone expected or ask for? No. But I like the concept art and am cautiously optimistic for how this will unfold.
Maybe it’s just me never caring for TSI that much outside of the views and visual storytelling of the ROA area, but I’m actually very excited for this expansion and version of Cars land. Maybe I’m crazy for that, but hey if Drew can be so optimistically positive for Tiana’s, then I guess I can be for this.
I don’t see it as anything extremely offensive compared to other recent choices they’ve made and I’ll respect everyone else’s takes since Cars is a very “” decision- but I’ve always felt MK was the park that would evolve significantly in the future and we’re finally getting a major change. Was it what I or anyone expected or ask for? No. But I like the concept art and am cautiously optimistic for how this will unfold.
Chi84
Premium Member
It pretty much always was relaxing except for the drops.
Fox&Hound
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Does not sound weird at all. I always make it a point to walk along that path. It is beautiful....Again, there is no reason why we have to lose that...
docnabox
Active Member
I felt much the same years ago with the changes made to the hub and the removal of all the tress in the center. After my mom died when I was 13, when We took business trips with my Dad in the summer, he would drop us off at the park in the morning, work most of the day and meet us at the hub. We’d find him sitting on the seats surrounding the planters waiting on us and sometimes we would just sit and tell him about our day while he relaxed from a long day at work and was undoubtedly dreading a long night ahead (the MK often was open routinely until 1 AM in those days.). My brother and I always were impatient but even back then there were times when we just enjoyed sitting there with him, watching people, listening to the music and soaking it all in. It was just time and place to relax and enjoy. That seems to be increasingly uncommon these days in all of the parks.
docnabox
Active Member
I loved the entire waterfront from LS to BTM. It felt real. Natural. Relaxing. And it made me happy.
Disgruntled Walt
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I took the afternoon off of reading this and suddenly there's 95 pages! Read the tea leaves, Disney! This ain't a good idea!