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Captain America 4

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Super later to this thread. The issue isn’t Cap 4’s budget being the anomaly, the issue is the misrepresentation one Caroline Reid (Forbes) has made about the “budgets” of The Marvels, DS2 and Quantumania.

Which was fully costed including marketing spend totals.

Cynthia Reid has written many misleading articles now, that conflate and inappropriately contort figures. Ones about Tokyo Disney, ones about WDW, ones looking at the quarterlies that read like amateur hour - the list goes on. All of these egregiously different figures are exclusively being reported by her.

If you think critically for more than two seconds, no DS, Quantumania and The Marvels all did not start to double the budget of Shang Chi, The Eternals, No Way Home or Deadpool and Wolverine. But if you wrap the marketing spend in and mis-represent it, sure. And no, these movies did not intellectually cost more than the Avatar films that James Filmed for literally three years and had a notorious hall pass to spend to his hearts content.



Deadline actually reports the final tally of The Marvels as 380 million for marketing + production (instead of the 370, probably attributable to exchange rates). Or 455 million for all in costs… but that does not change the production line item as we normalize it was still a somewhat higher 270.
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
Same applies for them too. If they can't hack it, then they shouldn't get the job. You can't get the guy that writes jokes for Jimmy Fallon to write a Marvel movie (antman 3).
Real question, why would you even care? These movies at best are nothing more than empty calories entertainment. At worst they’re junk food garbage churned out with regularity. Either way they’re big dumb movies. What difference does it make who’s in the cast, who’s directing, who’s writing? Why are you personally so trigged by any of it?
 

DKampy

Well-Known Member
LOL, I'm not triggered at all. In fact I find it amusing how bad Disney can be lately. I just want to have good movies to watch. I can't get that, so I might as well call them out for it.

Why are so many people so triggered by honest reviews of Disney? You don't own the billion dollar company.
But you aren’t giving honest reviews of the product….as you do not watch it
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
It's not uncommon for Disney.

But I'm sure most studios don't want to spend 350+ million on movies and do 3 reshoots.
In Disney's movie business, they do not care about budgets in pursuit of their art.

Disney's Theme park business is VERY FOCUSED on BUDGET and MAKING MONEY in order to finance Disney's movie business ;)
 

Prince-1

Well-Known Member
LOL, I'm not triggered at all. In fact I find it amusing how bad Disney can be lately. I just want to have good movies to watch. I can't get that, so I might as well call them out for it.

Why are so many people so triggered by honest reviews of Disney? You don't own the billion dollar company.

Sorry, but based on your crazy conspiracy posts, you are the definition of triggered.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
LOL, I'm not triggered at all. In fact I find it amusing how bad Disney can be lately. I just want to have good movies to watch. I can't get that, so I might as well call them out for it.

Why are so many people so triggered by honest reviews of Disney? You don't own the billion dollar company.
Interesting though, as it seems to be only you who is continually harping on this movie. If that isn't the definition of "triggered" then I don't know what is. Because if you weren't triggered you wouldn't come here day in and day out trying your hardest to prove all the different ways this or any other Disney movie you dislike is somehow the worst movies and most expensive movies on the planet and how Disney is lying and paying off people or whatever other conspiracy theories you subscribe to today.

But no you're not triggered at all. :rolleyes:
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
So they get trapped in a space themed board game?
Yes. The whole house gets put in space. They encounter asteroids, an astronaut and have to fight off aliens. It stars Josh Hutcherson and Kristen Stewart.

They freeze Kristen Stewart. It's the most life like she has ever looked.
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Agent H

Well-Known Member
Interesting
Yes. The whole house gets put in space. They encounter asteroids, an astronaut and have to fight off aliens. It stars Josh Hutcherson and Kristen Stewart.

They freeze Kristen Stewart. It's the most life like she has ever looked.
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I will have to check it out
 

brideck

Well-Known Member
They freeze Kristen Stewart. It's the most life like she has ever looked.

Ach, that hurts. We're big fans of her post-Twilight work -- from looking, I'm pretty sure we've seen literally everything she's been in since 2016, even the tiny releases.

Funnily, I haven't seen Zathura, though. I wasn't in the right age bracket when that came out.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
Ach, that hurts. We're big fans of her post-Twilight work -- from looking, I'm pretty sure we've seen literally everything she's been in since 2016, even the tiny releases.

Funnily, I haven't seen Zathura, though. I wasn't in the right age bracket when that came out.
She was probably 15 when she did Zathura. She was really good in Panic Room (2002) with Jodie Foster.
Ever since Twilight, she has been known as "Old Dead Eyes".
 

brideck

Well-Known Member
Ever since Twilight, she has been known as "Old Dead Eyes".

That may be true in the meme circles of the Internet, but I'd be pretty confident in assuming that at least 90% of the people who say that haven't seen her in anything since then either, and certainly not in her best work. The Twilight movies are horrible pieces of dreck made by mediocre filmmakers -- I've seen three of them for some reason.

Anyway, off-topic until K.Stew joins the MCU, which I don't think would ever happen from hearing her talk in interviews.
 

brideck

Well-Known Member
It’s explored more in-depth and directly in the TV series, which I recommend watching first for context.

I suspect that lack of context could be part of what led to lower scores.

It’s still in the film, though. It’s treated as important (as it deserves.) Some more subtle, some more overt.

I also suspect certain people don’t appreciate that, which could also be part of what led to lower scores.

I have actually seen the series, but it's been a few years -- maybe I'll rewatch before going to see this.

I remember really liking the framework of the series. It remains the only interesting treatment of the fallout of the Thanos snap that I've seen (and not that I've watched everything) in the MCU -- equating the returning 50% of the population to refugees is a pretty genius analogy. If it didn't fall apart, the world would have moved on without needing them, after all. I remember being sympathetic to the "villain's" cause for the first half of the series before it abruptly turned on a dime making them bomb-throwing terrorists because nuance is hard. [This is probably due in part to the rewrite to move away from a bio-terrorism storyline, but maybe it was always going to be clunky.] I remember enjoying the struggle for the Shield between Sam, Bucky, and the (now) U.S. Agent, as well as the revelation about other Super Soldier experiments from the past,
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
That may be true in the meme circles of the Internet, but I'd be pretty confident in assuming that at least 90% of the people who say that haven't seen her in anything since then either, and certainly not in her best work. The Twilight movies are horrible pieces of dreck made by mediocre filmmakers -- I've seen three of them for some reason.

Anyway, off-topic until K.Stew joins the MCU, which I don't think would ever happen from hearing her talk in interviews.
She was terrible in Underwater and Charlie's Angels.
 

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