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Captain America 4
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Disstevefan1
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If the budget is really 380M, the problem is not just that this movie must make almost 1B to break even.
The elephant in the room is the runaway budgets; allowing reshoot after reshoot, no real story to begin with; the creators are not sure what they are writing, etc.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
What's funny is that I started to actually listen to the podcast, instead of just pulling it from some second-hand article as some did here, and while they still use a ridiculous number, they don't use that specific number, so again its bad reporting, as its only coming from one article. What's even more strange and makes me question even this number is they claim reshoots were happening when they were still working on the book, which released in October 2023. Timeline though doesn't work on that because principal filming took place between March and June 2023. Which means they were already pretty much finished with the book by the time filming even started. Reshoots weren't even happening until summer 2024, way after the books release. So yeah, they pretty much made it up.
Its even more telling that none of these numbers being quoted even line up with each other. You'd think if it was even true they'd at least all line up with the same amount, but no its like 5-6 different amounts by now. Which shows that its all made up.
brideck
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I thought about trying to listen, but couldn't decide which episode I might find that discussion in based on the episode titles/summaries that I saw. None of the recent ones claim to be about the MCU.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
While I have no issue with their overall podcast, as they have some interesting takes outside of this, I don't really want to promote something that is clearly misinformation. But look for one about 2025 movies.
Disney Irish
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I mentioned the same further up in the thread when it was even a lower number being thrown around. Its ridiculous and really only be pushed by one poster who has a gripe against this movie for some reason, common theme from them as its the same tactic as they used in the Mufasa thread.
BTW, there is an even more expensive movie releasing this summer which has an actual confirmed budget of $400M, but I don't really see that one being mentioned too much.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I don’t buy it either, we’ve now heard it had a $180 million production budget, $300 million total budget (including marketing), and a $380 million budget (no idea is that’s production or total).
My gut says the $300 million TOTAL is likely the closest as that would place the production budget near the originally reported $180 million, allow an extra $20 million for reshoots, and include $100 million for marketing (which would be the standard 50% of the production budget).
I think all we can do with so many rumored numbers is use the smell test and try to decide which makes the most sense based on previous films.
Unless we get confirmed numbers I think it’s safe to assume break even is likely in the $500m-$550m range, as much as I disagree with much of Disneys management decisions I find it hard to believe they’d ever move forward with a normal movie that required a billion just to break even. They often make bad decisions but they aren’t stupid.
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Disney Irish
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And even more telling that even when Disney did have huge budgets like Endgame or Pirates 4, it was actually reported by the trades, ie confirmed by actual reporting. So Disney isn't shy about having a huge budget reported in the past, but now they are? And must be via a "hush hush" rumor only? Yeah doesn't pass the smell test at all.
Phroobar
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Why can't we have run away budgets for Disneyland rides?
Disstevefan1
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The access media will take the 180M and run with it.
Right or wrong, the consensus formula is 2.5 times the budget, therefore, 450M is break even.
Only inside the walls of TWDC do they really know the costs. If they made the movie they wanted to make, I do not think they care what the real cost are especially if the outside world thinks a movie made money.
Right or wrong, the consensus formula is 2.5 times the budget, therefore, 450M is break even.
Only inside the walls of TWDC do they really know the costs. If they made the movie they wanted to make, I do not think they care what the real cost are especially if the outside world thinks a movie made money.
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MickeyMouse10
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It's been happening a lot lately with Disney movies. They hire the wrong people for the job, so they predictably fail. Because they don't know what they are doing. You can't hire a director whose never done a big budget franchise movie for a big budget franchise movie.
Let's look at his 3 previous movies...
The Girl is in Trouble made 1,000 dollars in the U.S.
Luce made 2.4 million worldwide
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Cloverfield Paradox was seen as a moderate success at first. But it plummeted shortly afterwards and is now seen as something that destroyed the franchise. It is also hated by critics and viewers alike.
Let's look at his 3 previous movies...
The Girl is in Trouble made 1,000 dollars in the U.S.
Luce made 2.4 million worldwide
and
Cloverfield Paradox was seen as a moderate success at first. But it plummeted shortly afterwards and is now seen as something that destroyed the franchise. It is also hated by critics and viewers alike.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Unfortunately we do, wasn’t Cosmic Rewind reported at half a billion?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
What are you going on about now?
The MCU has been created on the backs of relatively unknown or "untested" directors, it was part of the formula that built their success. Even the arguably biggest named directors they've had that helped with their success like Joss Whedon never did a big budget franchise movie prior to joining the MCU. So this idea that its only big named directors who's done a big budget franchise movie already that can come into to do a big budget franchise movie is not only shortsighted but just plain wrong.
Phroobar
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That one almost makes sense considering the new building and the gutting of the old building. That was expensive for what we got. Still we haven't see that at Disneyland or DCA yet.
brideck
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Oh, man, this is by the guy who made Luce? I had no idea. That was a great movie -- a really thorny personal drama centered around racial identity and achievement. The cast is dynamite, too -- Naomi Watts, Tim Roth, Octavia Spencer, Kelvin Harrison Jr.
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Vegas Disney Fan
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I agree that the lack of previous big budget experience has nothing to do with recent box office/nielsen struggles but it’s shocking to me how often I hear Disney hires say they have no connection to the projects they were hired to make, or say they disliked the previous projects, or they dislike the fans of the previous projects, or they wanted to make the fans of those precious projects uncomfortable or mad, etc. They even did this with the cruise lines when they hired someone to oversee their new ships who admitted they’d never been on a cruise, It’s weird to me Disney loves hiring people to make things they have zero emotional connection to.
When you watch interviews of the people who made something like season 1 of Mandalorian it’s evident they love Star Wars, that’s less true of hired gun directors or directors who were hired specifically because they wanted to make something different from the original projects the fans love.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Prior knowledge or love of the source material is also not a prerequisite though for being a filmmaker. I know that is hard to hear as a fan, but its a job just like any other. You are hired to do a job, and that is it. You don't have to have a deep understanding of the lore or love of it to be able to direct a movie about it. For example how many fans would actually know how to direct a film and be good at it just because they have a deep understanding and love for the subject material, probably close to zero.
Same with any other job Disney hires for. I know we as fans expect that everyone loves or has deep experience with whatever they are doing, but just like any other job out in the world that is not a requirement nor in many cases is even something desired of the applicant. Sure it can be a bonus, but not something that many look for in candidates. They look for skills to match the job description, just like any other hiring manager in any other company on the planet.
And in the case of a director they look for an interesting vision of what the screenwriter is trying to convey on the page. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
MickeyMouse10
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They shot almost 3 movies worth of footage. So it's obvious he wasn't the right person for the job.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Wonder if that’s on the director or the writers? Studios love to start filming with an outline but not a fully completed script, that’s gotta make the directors job infinitely harder.
I love the making of Frozen documentary on D+ as it’s a great behind the scenes look into how movies are made, I had no idea lines are literally being written and finalized the morning of the shoots, and after the test screenings massive changes are made on the fly, fascinating show.