Captain America 4

[Disney Irish]

It is from the Box office stat firm EntTelligence stated the average ticket price for Cap 4 was $15.17 (general). This was from Deadline: http://deadline.com/2025/02/box-office-captian-america-brave-new-world-1236289044/

Your post just showed up, was probably under mod review this whole time.

Anyways, I question that statistic as just last November the same firm was quoting $11.82 for regular screens and $16.71 for premium screens. - https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/01/thanksgiving-box-office-showdown-premium-screens.html

So I know inflation has been bad the last few years, but I highly doubt average ticket prices went up another $3.89, an almost 30% increase, in just 3 months for regular screens.

 

[Tha Realest]

What are you going on about now?

The MCU has been created on the backs of relatively unknown or "untested" directors, it was part of the formula that built their success. Even the arguably biggest named directors they've had that helped with their success like Joss Whedon never did a big budget franchise movie prior to joining the MCU. So this idea that its only big named directors who's done a big budget franchise movie already that can come into to do a big budget franchise movie is not only shortsighted but just plain wrong.

Jon Favreau, Louis Leterrier, Joe Johnston, Kenneth Branaugh, Shane Black, Peyton Reed, Ryan Coogler, and Scott Derrickson were not untested in any way, and all handled big or very well budgeted films before directing for Marvel.

 

[Disney Irish]

Jon Favreau, Louis Leterrier, Joe Johnston, Kenneth Branaugh, Shane Black, Peyton Reed, Ryan Coogler, and Scott Derrickson were not untested in any way, and all handled big or very well budgeted films before directing for Marvel.

Jon Favreau - 3 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)
Louis Leterrier - 3 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience unless you count the Transporter films)
Joe Johnston - 8 directing credits prior to the MCU all but 2 less than $100M budgets (only major franchise was Jurassic Park 3)
Kenneth Branagh - 11 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)
Shane Black - 1 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)
Peyton Reed - 4 movie directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience), bunch of TV directing credits
Ryan Coogler - 2 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)
Scott Derrickson - 5 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)

See a pattern, while some of these directors had prior experience NONE had any real major franchise experience with budgets over $100M except 1. Branagh would be the only one I would consider having any clout on this list, but he was a arthouse director for the most part.

Basically all of these guys except Joe Johnston were untested in handling a huge budget movie like in the MCU prior to them joining, and some of these guys only had a handful of directing credits to their name prior to joining.

So yeah I stand by my point, the MCU was built largely on the backs of untested and in many case unknown directors.

 

[Agent H]

Jon Favreau - 3 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)
Louis Leterrier - 3 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience unless you count the Transporter films)
Joe Johnston - 8 directing credits prior to the MCU all but 2 less than $100M budgets (only major franchise was Jurassic Park 3)
Kenneth Branagh - 11 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)
Shane Black - 1 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)
Peyton Reed - 4 movie directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience), bunch of TV directing credits
Ryan Coogler - 2 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)
Scott Derrickson - 5 directing credits prior to the MCU all less than $100M budgets (no major franchise experience)

See a pattern, while some of these directors had prior experience NONE had any real major franchise experience with budgets over $100M except 1.

Basically all of these guys except Joe Johnston were untested in handling a huge budget movie like in the MCU prior to them joining, and some of these guys only had a handful of directing credits to their name prior to joining.

So yeah I stand by my point, the MCU was built largely on the backs of untested and in many case unknown directors.

I looked up what movies favreau directed before iron man and the only one I’ve heard of or seen is elf now I don’t know if that’s because none of them are realavent or I just tend to ignore things I don’t care about but I thought this was worth adding to the conversation

 

[Disney Irish]

I looked up what movies favreau directed before iron man and the only I’ve heard of or seen is elf now I don’t know if that’s because none of them are realavent or I just tend to ignore things I don’t care about but I thought this was worth adding to the conversation

His 3 movies are -

Made - A mob movie he wrote and directed for him and his buddy Vince Vaughn
Elf - we all know Elf with Will Ferrell
Zathura - A somewhat spin-off sequel to the original Jumanji, basically Jumanji in space

I've seen all of them and they were good or ok, but none of these are big huge franchises, and certainly not anything on the level of an MCU movie.

 

[Agent H]

I looked up what movies favreau directed before iron man and the only one I’ve heard of or seen is elf now I don’t know if that’s because none of them are realavent or I just tend to ignore things I don’t care about but I thought this was worth adding to the conversation

I feel like I should clarify I do think elf is somewhat relevant I was referring to the other 2 movies

 

[Phroobar]

I feel like I should clarify I do think elf is somewhat relevant I was referring to the other 2 movies

I'm surprised you haven't seen Zathura. It's right up your alley.

 

[Agent H]

I'm surprised you haven't seen Zathura. It's right up your alley.

What’s it about?

 

[MisterPenguin]

What’s it about?

About 90 minutes.

 

[Alice a]

I agree that the lack of previous big budget experience has nothing to do with recent box office/nielsen struggles but it’s shocking to me how often I hear Disney hires say they have no connection to the projects they were hired to make, or say they disliked the previous projects, or they dislike the fans of the previous projects, or they wanted to make the fans of those precious projects uncomfortable or mad, etc. They even did this with the cruise lines when they hired someone to oversee their new ships who admitted they’d never been on a cruise, It’s weird to me Disney loves hiring people to make things they have zero emotional connection to.

When you watch interviews of the people who made something like season 1 of Mandalorian it’s evident they love Star Wars, that’s less true of hired gun directors or directors who were hired specifically because they wanted to make something different from the original projects the fans love.

Andor, arguably their most critically-acclaimed series, was made by non-Star Wars fans, and 2/3 of the derided Star Wars sequel trilogy were made by a huge fan- JJ Abrams.

Meanwhile, JJ had no interest in or love for Star Trek, but the general consensus is that he did a more successful job with that reboot.

I think there are pitfalls for both scenarios, and it takes a showrunner who’s able to build a team around them to mitigate their weaknesses that makes the difference between watchable and not.

Edit: to bring this back around to Captain America, unfortunately, while the word of mouth reviews I’ve heard make it seem like a fun ride, they’re not stellar enough for me to want to wear a mask for 2 hours to watch it.

We’re having a heck of a flu season this year, and it’s keeping me out of the theatres. I’ve already used half my PTO for the year due to COVID and a nasty cold in January/February, so I guess it’s waiting for Disney+ for me.

I wonder if the record flu season affects the numbers at all? We had 6 of our 11-person staff out with it last week.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Joanna Robinson and Dave Gonzalez, who wrote the book "MCU: The Rise of Marvel Studios” are saying it cost 380 million for Captain Falcon.

It’s Captain America, whether you like it or not.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

unless at some point in the development process you wanted it to really lean into the ramifications of having a black Captain America. For those who have seen it, does the finished product reflect that, or is it mostly only paid lip service?

It’s explored more in-depth and directly in the TV series, which I recommend watching first for context.

I suspect that lack of context could be part of what led to lower scores.

It’s still in the film, though. It’s treated as important (as it deserves.) Some more subtle, some more overt.

I also suspect certain people don’t appreciate that, which could also be part of what led to lower scores.

 

[BrianLo]

Super later to this thread. The issue isn’t Cap 4’s budget being the anomaly, the issue is the misrepresentation one Caroline Reid (Forbes) has made about the “budgets” of The Marvels, DS2 and Quantumania.

Which was fully costed including marketing spend totals.

Cynthia Reid has written many misleading articles now, that conflate and inappropriately contort figures. Ones about Tokyo Disney, ones about WDW, ones looking at the quarterlies that read like amateur hour - the list goes on. All of these egregiously different figures are exclusively being reported by her.

If you think critically for more than two seconds, no DS, Quantumania and The Marvels all did not start to double the budget of Shang Chi, The Eternals, No Way Home or Deadpool and Wolverine. But if you wrap the marketing spend in and mis-represent it, sure. And no, these movies did not intellectually cost more than the Avatar films that James Filmed for literally three years and had a notorious hall pass to spend to his hearts content.



Deadline actually reports the final tally of The Marvels as 380 million for marketing + production (instead of the 370, probably attributable to exchange rates). Or 455 million for all in costs… but that does not change the production line item as we normalize it was still a somewhat higher 270.

 

[TalkingHead]

Same applies for them too. If they can't hack it, then they shouldn't get the job. You can't get the guy that writes jokes for Jimmy Fallon to write a Marvel movie (antman 3).

Real question, why would you even care? These movies at best are nothing more than empty calories entertainment. At worst they’re junk food garbage churned out with regularity. Either way they’re big dumb movies. What difference does it make who’s in the cast, who’s directing, who’s writing? Why are you personally so trigged by any of it?

 

[MickeyMouse10]

You think that is uncommon?

It's not uncommon for Disney.

But I'm sure most studios don't want to spend 350+ million on movies and do 3 reshoots.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Real question, why would you even care? These movies at best are nothing more than empty calories entertainment. At worst they’re junk food garbage churned out with regularity. Either way they’re big dumb movies. What difference does it make who’s in the cast, who’s directing, who’s writing? Why are you personally so trigged by any of it?

LOL, I'm not triggered at all. In fact I find it amusing how bad Disney can be lately. I just want to have good movies to watch. I can't get that, so I might as well call them out for it.

Why are so many people so triggered by honest reviews of Disney? You don't own the billion dollar company.

 

[DKampy]

LOL, I'm not triggered at all. In fact I find it amusing how bad Disney can be lately. I just want to have good movies to watch. I can't get that, so I might as well call them out for it.

Why are so many people so triggered by honest reviews of Disney? You don't own the billion dollar company.

But you aren’t giving honest reviews of the product….as you do not watch it

 

[Disstevefan1]

It's not uncommon for Disney.

But I'm sure most studios don't want to spend 350+ million on movies and do 3 reshoots.

In Disney's movie business, they do not care about budgets in pursuit of their art.

Disney's Theme park business is VERY FOCUSED on BUDGET and MAKING MONEY in order to finance Disney's movie business

 

[Prince-1]

LOL, I'm not triggered at all. In fact I find it amusing how bad Disney can be lately. I just want to have good movies to watch. I can't get that, so I might as well call them out for it.

Why are so many people so triggered by honest reviews of Disney? You don't own the billion dollar company.

Sorry, but based on your crazy conspiracy posts, you are the definition of triggered.

 

[TalkingHead]

LOL, I'm not triggered at all. In fact I find it amusing how bad Disney can be lately. I just want to have good movies to watch. I can't get that, so I might as well call them out for it.

Why are so many people so triggered by honest reviews of Disney? You don't own the billion dollar company.

So you’re 29 going on 17, got it