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Captain America 4
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Disney Irish
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How many MCU stories have been reused at this point? Can you name any?
I know its a common trope in "superhero" stories to reuse the same stories, and DC it guilt of this more than any, but the MCU has yet to do it in any of their movies or shows. Its been long established by Feige himself that they would not reboot or reuse any stories/characters in the MCU. And if that started so soon after a show where a change was made in the mantle of a character it would have been roasted on the internet, and that would have bled over into the public consciousness. I know that many here don't think it matters but I think it matter more than you are giving it credit for.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
His name is JoaquĆn Torres, he is played by Danny Ramirez, and he was in Falcon and the Winter Solider as Sam's Intelligence Officer.Hopefully, he (or she) will have the charisma of Anthony Mackie.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
āThe internetā is not causing Disney movies to tank or barely coverā¦
I see that myth from the last few years just showed up in the delorean
They are suffering due to collection of really bad studio and upper management decisions coalescing
Itās not a few trolls on pods or vlogs
They have no powerā¦like the parks āinsidersā who get play here.
I see that myth from the last few years just showed up in the delorean
They are suffering due to collection of really bad studio and upper management decisions coalescing
Itās not a few trolls on pods or vlogs
They have no powerā¦like the parks āinsidersā who get play here.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I think you overly dismiss the role that reviews play in terms of overall word of mouth (both positive and negative) for a movie or show. Bad reviews, whether warranted or not, can have just as much of a major impact and sway audience opinions as positive reviews can. To state otherwise ignores human nature that if we see a movie or show get bad reviews why would we waste our time on it, ie it sways our opinions. Which is the exact hope of those that review bomb a movie or show, to have an impact on audience opinions.
But of course you like to play the "fake boogie man" card that it doesn't exist because it doesn't fit your narrative that its only bad management decisions that are leading to movies/shows having bad outcomes. It couldn't possibly be any other reason.
Is camo guy the new Falcon?
If so, I'm sorry, he ain't got half the charisma of Anthony Mackie. I wish him well.
@MisterPenguin, @Disney Irish , I'm grateful for y'all trying to educate me, but I'm just a guurl appreciating these movies/tv shows at face value, no matter how much "canon" my husband and you guys try to impart. Anthony Mackie is hot, whatever costume he's wearing, even if the character he's playing is not 100% comfortable in it.
I'll bow out now so as to stop annoying you.
DisneyWarrior27
Active Member
Tickets for Captain America: Brave New World on sale now.
Get yours now. Because I got mine.
Get yours now. Because I got mine.
Nah. Tickets will be readily available and plentiful when the movie is released, just like every other movie since 'Endgame'.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
To take a page from you, can show us the facts that review bombing will hurt a film to the extent you say? Because from what I've seen, it really doesn't. The sites I've seen talking about that subject say it doesn't. But I'm not connected like you to these reputable Hollywood trades. But I'm pretty sure the, "review bombing is killing movies" is just trying to frame a narrative as well.
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
Are you guys talking about reviews in general or review bombing? I donāt think review bombing terribly has much impact, though itās difficult to sometimes separate out actual sentiment from terminally online trolls. The latter of whom have probably only minor control if critics and the general public have a completely different opinion. Thatās why I like CinemaScore.
Reviews do matter though. See Joker 2.
I think the more a films audience is the online troll subtype, the more coordinated review bombing is reflective of the audience that would have gone or not gone. For example there was no controlling Barbie, but The Marvels is and was a more male dominated fanboy film. On the other flip side I donāt think review bombing does anything to Snow White, unless itās coming from the Disney adults, which is more general audience than strictly online.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Lets take review bombing out of the equation, and talk about reviews in general. An audience that is more online today than ever before that has access to reviews in all forms in less than 5 seconds has more opportunity to form an opinion from said reviews than in previous generations, it has an impact even if some don't want to believe it. We like to use the term "word of mouth", where does that come from? It comes from the old days when people used to talk to their friends and family about something they saw or did. Where do you think most of that discussion is happening now, online. And "word of mouth" is not just about the positive, its also about the negative. If there are too much negative "word of mouth", it can and will affect a box office, its a ripple effect, again despite some who thinks it doesn't. And if that happens before a movie is even released, well that will have even more of an impact.
Some like to use online statements by actors/actresses as examples of what can turn off an audience and cause a movie to bomb. So if that is believable in having an effect then I don't understand why those same people can't believe that any negative online discourse including reviews wouldn't have an effect too. Either people pay attention to online discourse or they don't, they don't just all of a sudden stop paying attention and turn off their opinions when negative reviews start happening.
So my point overall is that the online discourse would be overly negative if they reused the same story line from their own show from just 2 years ago, and that would have an effect on reviews and a ripple effect on the box office in a negative way because of it. The MCU already has a tough time right now, no reason to add fuel to the fire in that regard.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
It was review bombing. And I agree, it doesn't have any real impact. I don't really think the trolls are hard to sniff out though. They generally all have the same m.o. Just as the people who are "shills" are easy to spot.
The discussion was about review bombing. But yes reviews can matter. Word of mouth is probably the single most important thing when it comes to things like movies, video games, books or food... I don't think anyone is really denying that. But the original argument was, some guys in their basements aren't ruining Disneys films. And that's true. I saw a lot of Moana 2 was a lazy waste of time, type reviews. Tons of reviews that the people probably didn't see the film. Yet how did that turn out?
Were movies like lightyear and strange world, or the marvels and wish review bombed? Absolutely! But guess what? If they weren't, they still do terrible. Why? Because they weren't good. And if they were actually good, people wouldn't care about some random person on rotten tomatoes posting, It's dum, I'd give it zero stars, but I can't.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I still think you guys are discounting the impact it has on a movie. Also never mentioned anyone in a basement, that is you guys in this effort to make it seem like itās only a few people doing it, itās not.
But let me ask you seriously, if it doesnāt have an impact (which there is no real way for you to prove either) then why does it happen? Why is there such a consorted effort to review bomb certain movies? Youād think that if it had no impact that review bombers would have gotten the message that their effort is for nothing. So it must be having some impact, even if itās just a perceived impact, otherwise it wouldnāt happen and review sites wouldnāt try to combat it. So again I think you guys discount it way too much.
Also while bad films will still do badly no matter the reviews, films that are middle of the road and considered āmehā arenāt given a chance because of bad reviews. Like Wish wasnāt that bad of a film, it was a āmehā film like many here thought. So it could have done a whole lot better had it not been review bombed, maybe not enough to be considered āsuccessfulā but at least enough to breakeven possibly. And while maybe that isnāt important to you it does matter to many who worked on the film.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
I know you didn't @Sirwalterraleigh said it. In the grand scheme, it's a VERY small percentage of the moviegoing population.
That's a good question. I'd say it's basically the same reason on both sides, shill or hater. They feel like they are actually accomplishing something.
Of course they want to stop it. They want their site to have the most accurate data possible. They don't want a group of people who haven't seen a film yelling over each other. I've never seen a worse film in my life!!! It's so great, it's a new all time classic!!! How does that help their site? It only makes people not pay attention to it as there's too much trash to sift through.
Was it just meh? I can get through meh films. Wish just wasn't good in my opinion. I don't think it does any better if there's no bombing and only padding. Obviously everyone's taste in what's good is subjective. But the only people I've interacted with that didn't say it wasn't bad are people on this site.
Moana 2 has an 86 percent audience scoreā¦.i have seen better review bombing attempts
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That kinda proves itās not a āthingā
Not reallyā¦Moana 2 never received the onslaught of hate-tubers that other films got
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
What good movie was tanked by online bot reviews?
Struggling to think of one.
Muf is at 78% now? Was like 94% at release.
And itās gonna be #1 this weekend againā¦
Unfortunately the worst mlk weekend in decadesā¦still tough to get to the budget clear guesstimate of $600 mil we have been kicking around
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Well if you know I didn't say it then don't use it with me, because I'm not the one. Its a cheap tactic to try and diminish someone's point, you're better than that. Don't stoop to that level.
I doubt its a very small percentage as if it was then it wouldn't be such a problem in the first place. Because its easy to combat a small percentage of review bombers, its harder to combat a coordinated effort. This is why sites like RT shutdown audience reviews in some movies, because its become a major issue.
It goes back to something that even if you yourself admitted here -
The whole point of review bombing is to try to effect the outcome of whatever is being bombed. To sway the reviews in such a way it gives the impression of an overly negative piece of content and hopefully prevent the general public from seeing it. And if its having an impact, even if its just a perceived impact, then it works. That is why they are doing it.
Which brings me back to my whole point, which is you don't need to give more ammunition such as reusing a story line after using it in your own show just 2 years prior. As I said the MCU already has tough time right now, no need to add fuel to the fire.
Yes in my opinion it was "meh", it wasn't terrible but it also wasn't stellar, it was just meh. Plenty of my Disney friends that don't come on sites like this felt the same way.