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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Well if you know I didn't say it then don't use it with me, because I'm not the one. Its a cheap tactic to try and diminish someone's point, you're better than that. Don't stoop to that level.


I doubt its a very small percentage as if it was then it wouldn't be such a problem in the first place. Because its easy to combat a small percentage of review bombers, its harder to combat a coordinated effort. This is why sites like RT shutdown audience reviews in some movies, because its become a major issue.


It goes back to something that even if you yourself admitted here -



The whole point of review bombing is to try to effect the outcome of whatever is being bombed. To sway the reviews in such a way it gives the impression of an overly negative piece of content and hopefully prevent the general public from seeing it. And if its having an impact, even if its just a perceived impact, then it works. That is why they are doing it.

Which brings me back to my whole point, which is you don't need to give more ammunition such as reusing a story line after using it in your own show just 2 years prior. As I said the MCU already has tough time right now, no need to add fuel to the fire.


Yes in my opinion it was "meh", it wasn't terrible but it also wasn't stellar, it was just meh. Plenty of my Disney friends that don't come on sites like this felt the same way.
If you want to claim offense…then don’t create a strawman that “review bombing” is tanking bad movies…or to be fair: “unwanted movies”

If a movie is well constructed or offers a lot visually…it will break through and audiences will find it.

Or if you want to argue that (rhetorical)…give me good movies that went down due to tanked reviews? From the basement or not
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
If you want to claim offense…then don’t create a strawman that “review bombing” is tanking bad movies…or to be fair: “unwanted movies”

If a movie is well constructed or offers a lot visually…it will break through and audiences will find it.

Or if you want to argue that (rhetorical)…give me good movies that went down due to tanked reviews? From the basement or not
You miss the point, or more likely you purposely ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative, and I'm not playing your game.

Feige isn't going to reuse a story line this soon after its use in another show or movie, that's it, end of story. There is no reason to discuss this further, it doesn't matter if you feel no one saw the show or review bombs don't exist or 3 people in your basement or whatever. Its not something that is going to happen, as that is not what the MCU does. Go over to DC if that is what you're looking for, as they like to reuse their stories every time they reboot, what is it for like the 5 time now. So we can now drop this whole thing because its gone on long enough.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
What good movie was tanked by online bot reviews?

Struggling to think of one.

This is the million dollar question, and I can’t think of one either.

Review bombing absolutely happens, as does shilling to a lesser extent, but I can’t think of a single good movie that tanked as a result of bombing or a single bad movie that succeeded thanks to shilling.

At most it affects opening weekend, after that real word of mouth takes over and the movie succeeds or fails on its merits.
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
Was Joker two review bombing or was that a bad movie?
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
This is the million dollar question, and I can’t think of one either.

Review bombing absolutely happens, as does shilling to a lesser extent, but I can’t think of a single good movie that tanked as a result of bombing or a single bad movie that succeeded thanks to shilling.

At most it affects opening weekend, after that real word of mouth takes over and the movie succeeds or fails on its merits.
And that’s my point…this is a strawman

It’s only suggested in environments such as this…and 99.9% of the time applies to only ONE major studio. It’s veiled in Saran Wrap
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
This is the million dollar question, and I can’t think of one either.

Review bombing absolutely happens, as does shilling to a lesser extent, but I can’t think of a single good movie that tanked as a result of bombing or a single bad movie that succeeded thanks to shilling.

At most it affects opening weekend, after that real word of mouth takes over and the movie succeeds or fails on its merits.
You are correct.. no good movie has truly failed due to review bombing, nor has any bad movie achieved lasting success purely because of shilling. Audiences eventually make their judgments based on the actual quality of the movie, ensuring that most films find their appropriate place in cultural memory.

Excellent observation Vegas Disney Fan!
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Was Joker two review bombing or was that a bad movie?
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Yup, it was a bad movie. That’s why my stance is largely reviews matter, but not coordinated review bombing other than probably percentage points or slightly larger if the review bombers are the target audience.

Joker 2 entire wind came out of its sails the second critics and the general audience realized they hated it.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Was it just meh? I can get through meh films. Wish just wasn't good in my opinion. I don't think it does any better if there's no bombing and only padding. Obviously everyone's taste in what's good is subjective. But the only people I've interacted with that didn't say it wasn't bad are people on this site.

It has an 80% audience score and an A- CinemaScore. I think meh is appropriate, because the scores almost suggest ok.

Critically it was poorly received though.

But I’m running us way, way off track from Cap4 now.
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
Yup, it was a bad movie. That’s why my stance is largely reviews matter, but not coordinated review bombing other than probably percentage points or slightly larger if the review bombers are the target audience.

Joker 2 entire wind came out of its sails the second critics and the general audience realized they hated it.
In your opinion Does coordinated review bombing work on excellent films? What movie stands out for you?
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
In your opinion Does coordinated review bombing work on excellent films?

Short answer, no.

The act of doing it, no. The audience responsible for it can maybe move the meter a few percentage points if they were instead shilling for the film. See Snyder Bros.

I care far more about the CinemaScore, myself. Which cannot be tampered with and actually represents word of mouth.

I think review bombers think they are successful because they've met success with apathetic films. But certainly a run was made at something like Inside Out 2 - and immediately no one cared and it didn't move the needle one iota.

I do think occasionally what the review bombers are actually mad about can break out beyond the internet. Not always though. The anti Disney rhetoric that even carried through the Spring impacted absolutely nothing in their slate last year. I think people "thought" it was impacting 2023 more than reality. Correlation rather than causation.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Well if you know I didn't say it then don't use it with me, because I'm not the one. Its a cheap tactic to try and diminish someone's point, you're better than that. Don't stoop to that level.
He said it and you came back talking about review bombing. That was your counter, I wasn't using any cheap tactics. I was pointing out that I don't believe it has a big impact. And you think it does, and that's what I was countering.
I doubt its a very small percentage as if it was then it wouldn't be such a problem in the first place.
Really? Of the worlds movie going population? I guess I should clarify, what do you feel is a significant percentage?
It goes back to something that even if you yourself admitted here -
Yes I did say that. I also said there's a difference between review bombing and what I said was most important. And that's word of mouth. By me saying reviews can be important doesn't mean review bombing has some great impact.
 

Hawkeye_2018

Well-Known Member
I think this one will need strong reviews and word of mouth to be a huge hit. Ford is no longer a box office draw. Either is Mackie, and last time we saw his character was a D+ show that was pretty mediocre by most accounts.
But I think the release date could really work in it's favor.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
I think this one will need strong reviews and word of mouth to be a huge hit. Ford is no longer a box office draw. Either is Mackie, and last time we saw his character was a D+ show that was pretty mediocre by most accounts.
But I think the release date could really work in it's favor.
I’m really curious how they’re going to handle the important details from the D+ show, with Covid, filming delays, etc it’s been a loooong time since that show aired, even those of us who watched it could probably benefit from a quick recap.

If this gets good word of mouth I think it could surprise everyone, I think action fans are itching for a good Marvel film, similar to how animation fans were craving a good animation film and turned out in massive numbers for IO2, if the reviews are good I could see the box office for this surprising people just like IO2 did. Maybe not the same ceiling but a billion+ wouldn’t surprise me at all if word of mouth is good.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
He said it and you came back talking about review bombing. That was your counter, I wasn't using any cheap tactics. I was pointing out that I don't believe it has a big impact. And you think it does, and that's what I was countering.
Actually you were the first to bring up the "guys in a basement" aspect in this thread in relation to that. It is a cheap tactic because its purposely used to belittle a poster when there is no other point to be made to try and shut them down. In fact I don't believe I've even seen you use that term any other place until this thread, maybe I'm wrong, but its not something you usually bring up. And its why I say you're better than that, because even if I disagree with you I've known you to at least be able to maintain conversation without stooping down to that level.

Really? Of the worlds movie going population? I guess I should clarify, what do you feel is a significant percentage?

Yes I did say that. I also said there's a difference between review bombing and what I said was most important. And that's word of mouth. By me saying reviews can be important doesn't mean review bombing has some great impact.
As for the rest, I've said my peace. I've also brought up now multiple times, something that no one has countered yet, Feige isn't going to reuse a story line so soon after its use in a movie or tv show, doesn't matter if people here don't think many people saw it, its just not going to happen. There is plenty of other stories to tell in the MCU without having to repeat something that was just told 2 years prior, that is something that DC does with their numerous reboots, the MCU doesn't do that and I hope they won't for a long time to come.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Actually you were the first to bring up the "guys in a basement" aspect in this thread in relation to that. It is a cheap tactic because its purposely used to belittle a poster when there is no other point to be made to try and shut them down.
Yes, I described the original statement as guys in basement as the original argument. That was incorrect. It was a few trolls and vloggers, he's used basement many times before so I apologize I got it wrong. I'm not sure how the two are all that different but the point still stands, you brought up review bombing so that's what I was responding to. I wasn't trying to belittle you. Here's what I was responding to, the statement and response.
It’s not a few trolls on pods or vlogs

Which is the exact hope of those that review bomb a movie or show, to have an impact on audience opinions.
And I stand by what I say, that review bombing just doesn't really do anything in long run. It doesn't matter who it is, that was the point.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Yes, I described the original statement as guys in basement as the original argument. That was incorrect. It was a few trolls and vloggers, he's used basement many times before so I apologize I got it wrong. I'm not sure how the two are all that different but the point still stands, you brought up review bombing so that's what I was responding to. I wasn't trying to belittle you. Here's what I was responding to, the statement and response.



And I stand by what I say, that review bombing just doesn't really do anything in long run. It doesn't matter who it is, that was the point.
It might not have been your intent, but its still a term used to belittle another during an argument, similar to the term "take off the tin foil hat". Which again I think you're better than that, or at least I hope you are.

Whether you think review bombing has an impact or not was and continues to be beside the point, as you guys have missed the whole reason why it was brought up in the first place. The whole point was that Feige and team aren't going to reuse a story line so soon after its use in a previous show or movie, it doesn't matter if SirWalt thinks no one saw it. They aren't going to give any review bombers any ammunition to add fuel to the fire. So even if I was to agree with you, I don't, but if I did and agreed they aren't effective, it doesn't matter. They aren't going to reuse a story line, period, end of story.

We've gone on and on about this, there isn't anymore to say on it in my opinion as we're just repeating things, so I think we've come to the end of this.

So back to the actual movie discussion.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yes, I described the original statement as guys in basement as the original argument. That was incorrect. It was a few trolls and vloggers, he's used basement many times before so I apologize I got it wrong. I'm not sure how the two are all that different but the point still stands, you brought up review bombing so that's what I was responding to. I wasn't trying to belittle you. Here's what I was responding to, the statement and response.



And I stand by what I say, that review bombing just doesn't really do anything in long run. It doesn't matter who it is, that was the point.
Compelling movies find audiences…

Unwanted ones are ignored
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
There you go talking in absolutes again…. That is not always the case
I also didn't realize reusing the same story line was considered compelling, I had always thought it was consider lazy and sloppy storytelling. I guess Feige and team missed that memo when they decided to skip retelling the on-screen death of Uncle Ben origin story for Spider-Man in the MCU because it had been done already multiple times.
 

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