There's a new Falcon. Just like in the comics.
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Captain America 4
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Sirwalterraleigh
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I really don’t think that would matter
There’s a couple of myths that affect how we discuss these things:
1. That D+ is somekinda tour de force
2. Anything on there is appointment television. They have so little new content it’s become an afterthought. Most of the audience is likely what the Disney channel was.
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
They need to make sure the movies work on their own, and that audiences know the TV series is optional.
You don't want people skipping a film because they think they won't understand it. That likely hurt The Marvels to a degree.
The Falcon show was good in that it developed a supporting character from the movies. It was a good way to address the dramatic issues, like what it meant for Sam to take on the Captain America mantle as a black man.
This frees up the movie to be more of a standard action flick. TV shows are typically more character focused and movies more plot focused. Splitting it up between the two allows them to potentially do both elements justice.
You don't want people skipping a film because they think they won't understand it. That likely hurt The Marvels to a degree.
The Falcon show was good in that it developed a supporting character from the movies. It was a good way to address the dramatic issues, like what it meant for Sam to take on the Captain America mantle as a black man.
This frees up the movie to be more of a standard action flick. TV shows are typically more character focused and movies more plot focused. Splitting it up between the two allows them to potentially do both elements justice.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Forgetting for a second viewership and your disdain for anything D+.
You really don't think that the internet would review bomb an MCU movie if it was found out that they had reused the same storyline from one of their own shows from just 2 years ago? I think you're being naive if you think that wouldn't happen, or that there wouldn't have an impact on the movies box office.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I think for the most part people only need to know for this movie is that Steve handed over the shield to Sam at the end of End Game. Watching FatWS just adds additional context and backstory that is not likely to be too important for this movie.
So the movie will still likely work on its own.
Maybe the first 10 minutes can be a recap...
Previously, in the MCU...
Previously, in the MCU...
JackCH
Well-Known Member
Get Luis from Ant Man to do it!
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
I'm not really sure how that matters. So what if they review bomb? If the movie is a solid super hero film it will be fine. Super hero films especially, tend to share a whole lot of plot similarities. And besides, it would be a wash anyway after the review padding.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
How many MCU stories have been reused at this point? Can you name any?
I know its a common trope in "superhero" stories to reuse the same stories, and DC it guilt of this more than any, but the MCU has yet to do it in any of their movies or shows. Its been long established by Feige himself that they would not reboot or reuse any stories/characters in the MCU. And if that started so soon after a show where a change was made in the mantle of a character it would have been roasted on the internet, and that would have bled over into the public consciousness. I know that many here don't think it matters but I think it matter more than you are giving it credit for.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
His name is Joaquín Torres, he is played by Danny Ramirez, and he was in Falcon and the Winter Solider as Sam's Intelligence Officer.Hopefully, he (or she) will have the charisma of Anthony Mackie.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
“The internet” is not causing Disney movies to tank or barely cover…
I see that myth from the last few years just showed up in the delorean
They are suffering due to collection of really bad studio and upper management decisions coalescing
It’s not a few trolls on pods or vlogs
They have no power…like the parks “insiders” who get play here.
I see that myth from the last few years just showed up in the delorean
They are suffering due to collection of really bad studio and upper management decisions coalescing
It’s not a few trolls on pods or vlogs
They have no power…like the parks “insiders” who get play here.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I think you overly dismiss the role that reviews play in terms of overall word of mouth (both positive and negative) for a movie or show. Bad reviews, whether warranted or not, can have just as much of a major impact and sway audience opinions as positive reviews can. To state otherwise ignores human nature that if we see a movie or show get bad reviews why would we waste our time on it, ie it sways our opinions. Which is the exact hope of those that review bomb a movie or show, to have an impact on audience opinions.
But of course you like to play the "fake boogie man" card that it doesn't exist because it doesn't fit your narrative that its only bad management decisions that are leading to movies/shows having bad outcomes. It couldn't possibly be any other reason.
Is camo guy the new Falcon?
If so, I'm sorry, he ain't got half the charisma of Anthony Mackie. I wish him well.
@MisterPenguin, @Disney Irish , I'm grateful for y'all trying to educate me, but I'm just a guurl appreciating these movies/tv shows at face value, no matter how much "canon" my husband and you guys try to impart. Anthony Mackie is hot, whatever costume he's wearing, even if the character he's playing is not 100% comfortable in it.
I'll bow out now so as to stop annoying you.
DisneyWarrior27
Well-Known Member
Tickets for Captain America: Brave New World on sale now.
Get yours now. Because I got mine.
Get yours now. Because I got mine.
Nah. Tickets will be readily available and plentiful when the movie is released, just like every other movie since 'Endgame'.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
To take a page from you, can show us the facts that review bombing will hurt a film to the extent you say? Because from what I've seen, it really doesn't. The sites I've seen talking about that subject say it doesn't. But I'm not connected like you to these reputable Hollywood trades. But I'm pretty sure the, "review bombing is killing movies" is just trying to frame a narrative as well.
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
Are you guys talking about reviews in general or review bombing? I don’t think review bombing terribly has much impact, though it’s difficult to sometimes separate out actual sentiment from terminally online trolls. The latter of whom have probably only minor control if critics and the general public have a completely different opinion. That’s why I like CinemaScore.
Reviews do matter though. See Joker 2.
I think the more a films audience is the online troll subtype, the more coordinated review bombing is reflective of the audience that would have gone or not gone. For example there was no controlling Barbie, but The Marvels is and was a more male dominated fanboy film. On the other flip side I don’t think review bombing does anything to Snow White, unless it’s coming from the Disney adults, which is more general audience than strictly online.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Lets take review bombing out of the equation, and talk about reviews in general. An audience that is more online today than ever before that has access to reviews in all forms in less than 5 seconds has more opportunity to form an opinion from said reviews than in previous generations, it has an impact even if some don't want to believe it. We like to use the term "word of mouth", where does that come from? It comes from the old days when people used to talk to their friends and family about something they saw or did. Where do you think most of that discussion is happening now, online. And "word of mouth" is not just about the positive, its also about the negative. If there are too much negative "word of mouth", it can and will affect a box office, its a ripple effect, again despite some who thinks it doesn't. And if that happens before a movie is even released, well that will have even more of an impact.
Some like to use online statements by actors/actresses as examples of what can turn off an audience and cause a movie to bomb. So if that is believable in having an effect then I don't understand why those same people can't believe that any negative online discourse including reviews wouldn't have an effect too. Either people pay attention to online discourse or they don't, they don't just all of a sudden stop paying attention and turn off their opinions when negative reviews start happening.
So my point overall is that the online discourse would be overly negative if they reused the same story line from their own show from just 2 years ago, and that would have an effect on reviews and a ripple effect on the box office in a negative way because of it. The MCU already has a tough time right now, no reason to add fuel to the fire in that regard.