Sirwalterraleigh
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That’s why I said “compelling”…not “good”
Those aren’t the same adjectives
But I wait for the one movie that should have had an audience, but didn’t due to evil conspiracy?
Time to show your hand, apologists
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Those aren’t the same adjectives
But I wait for the one movie that should have had an audience, but didn’t due to evil conspiracy?
Time to show your hand, apologists
Disney Irish
Premium Member
So retelling the death of Uncle Ben story line again for the 3rd time for Peter's intro into the MCU when it was just told 5 years prior would have been "compelling"?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You haven’t noticed super hero movies sell?
Or are we doing the “selectively obtuse me thing today?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
That didn't answer the question.
What would be so compelling about telling the same death of Uncle Ben story again so soon after it was already just told?
Just to name a couple of movies that both critics and audiences loved from this year but did not do well…. Transformers one , Fall Guy, and Firiousa…. And to be fair I am only looking at the Blockbustery type as I know not everyone watches the smaller movies
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
One was a cartoon version of a very oversaturated franchise
Tall guy was presented like a rom com…which are not blockbuster material
I also think Hollywood loves Emily blunt more than everywhere outside Hollywood does?
Furiosa was the most surprising…though an “anthology” of a fanbase that’s always kinda been overestimated might be the problem. If anything…fury road way over performed as a sleeper hit
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Audiences like Spider-Man…that doesn’t mean I like to see it 6 times…they just do
Hence “compelling”
But don’t worry…marvel is really gonna put that superhero draw to the test again the coming
Months
You did not say other reasons…. You phrased it as an absolute
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Right, so you can't answer the question.
There is nothing compelling about seeing Uncle Ben die for the 3rd time in yet another origin story, especially not again in 5 years from the previous time he died. Its why Feige specifically skipped it, and said so at the time.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I told you the answer: Spider-Man
I’m not supporting what audiences do…just acknowledging that they tend to be predictable.
You don’t have to agree and have full license to argue…which is assured
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Generally speaking…
How is the whether in Minnesota today?
And were those movies good? Not enough to breakthrough obviously
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
Just saying Spider-Man isn't an answer. Also Feige must not have the same memo that you do since he purposely skipped it because it actually wasn't compelling.
Also if its such a compelling thing to retell the same story over and over and over in Super Hero movies then why is Gunn also skipping the origin story of Superman and starting right when Clark is at the Daily Planet? You'd think he'd have gotten your memo that audiences don't care and will just watch it all over again because its "compelling".
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
Yes, of course they won't tell the same story line beat for beat a 2nd time. But I guarantee no one at marvel or Disney said, we can't do that because of review bombers. Heck they basically retold a new hope with force awakens. So obviously Disney has no problem reusing story. So I'm with you that they wouldn't, but not the why they wouldn't.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Sony did with Amazing Spider-Man, its the exact reason why Feige didn't with Homecoming in the MCU because it would have been for a 3rd time.
Never claimed they did, I was just saying no reason to do it for that reason also not that Disney is making decisions because of it.
The New Hope to Force Awakens "retelling" is different in that its not a direct retelling of the same story with the same characters, which is what is being talked about.
DisneyWarrior27
Active Member
And they plan to skip the origin story trope again with The Fantastic 4 this coming July as well.
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
Furiosa?
Edit - I see that was named. I agree, this is definitely one that qualifies. Any movie that has found a life after theatrical in an asymmetric way also counts. Certainly not common, but they do exist.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Shawshank bombed upon first release…
But these things are almost the infinitesimal outliers
Now refresh me…was furiosa review bombed?
Because we’re twisting as always
The contention is/was…especially over the last couple of years…is that a few negatives from the dark web are taking “good” movies down…
Which I can see a dust….errr I mean…”gut” instinct at first…
…but then when those films get no traction and are forgotten in short order after they exit theaters…maybe they just suck?
you move the goalposts…. Your original discernment was no one can name a movie that did not find an audience that was compelling.. which you present as an absolute truth….when People do…well yes but reasons
Of the 3 I mentioned…. You said Furiosa was the most surprising…IMO it was the least surprising…. Despite how people remember the franchise…. Mad Max films has never brought in blockbuster grosses
I kept it towards the blockbuster framing for a reason…. Shawshank Redemption was put on people’s radars later due Awards consideration and most critics (which people here say the general audience does not care about)saying it was among the best films of all time… as someone who goes to the theaters frequently…. I see compelling movies all the time that never find an audience… Vengence was one of my favorite films of 2022…. It has an 82 critics and an 86 audience score on rotten tomatoes…yet most of the general public probably has no idea what that film is
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The goalposts have been on roller skates in the movie discussion threads for the last few years.
Including me and the guy in your mirror.
But at least they’re good discussions for the most part…unlike ones about parades or DAS…yikes
And there are no absolutes. Every adult knows that. Most also know that grammar police gets old in middle school and a life without metaphor is BORING
…but we all have tastes
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erasure fan1
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But this whole discussion was revolving around, review bombing was hurting the films. So in my opinion that's how I took it. So when he says compelling movies find an audience, that's the context I took it under. If strange world was compelling enough, the review bombing wouldn't matter.
Hence why I said of course they wouldn't do it. That's the reason. Review bombing isn't a blip on the radar as to why. And If they wanted to to reuse the story, I don't believe Disney would have a problem with doing it. But as you said, that wasn't going to happen.
Kinda sounded like you did. Then why even bring it up.
"You really don't think that the internet would review bomb an MCU movie if it was found out that they had reused the same storyline"
You said it as if it was something disney would be concerned about.
Wait, so you said, reused the same story line. That's exactly what they did with TFA. Sure it wasn't the same characters, but it's just as bad. So your review bomb statement wouldn't hold true if cap 4 was an identical mcu story they had already done, just with different characters?