Captain America 4

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I agree. I think the problem, I know for me at least, is that I'm really not sold on him being Cap. I loved him as Falcon and I would have preferred to see that character grow into a top tier hero. I feel like they're short changing the character . I really hope the film is good. I'm just not overly optimistic.
I think the problem was everyone loved Evans and he has become the clear “glue” that held that avengers arc together as time has gone on. Moreso than Downey…in my opinion.

Dumping those two are the equivalent of killing Bruce Wayne…not enough left to keep going
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I’m ok with him being Cap, my husband tells me it happened that way in the comics decades ago, but I am sorry to see Falcon sidelined. Like you, I thought the character was great and Mackie was perfect in the role.

It’s like the Captain America mantle weighs too heavily on him. Maybe it was that way in the original stories, I dunno.

The mistake is for producers to think a main stream casual audience is receptive to all the twists and turns of comics that are very niche in following.

The reason these films work is because they make them relatable with the character development…over the course of several films. Nolan’s Batman being the best example.

Don’t know if you can costume swap like they’re trying here and have enough for casual audience investment?
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
What in the hell are you talking about? I’ve watched it.

You can temper tantrum at someone else…occasionally…

Now I’ll get back to counting receipts from my local amc for Mufasa 🦁
Go back and review the posts, you’re replying to my post that was a reply to another poster who was commenting on what they should do in the movie, ie the same story they already told in FatWS.

So instead of side busting actually follow the conversation.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Go back and review the posts, you’re replying to my post that was a reply to another poster who was commenting on what they should do in the movie, ie the same story they already told in FatWS.

So instead of side busting actually follow the conversation.
It wouldn’t matter if they repeated plot…

Since:
1. The streaming shows get little traffic
2. They repeat the same general plot in superhero movies all the time

Ya dig?
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It wouldn’t matter if they repeated plot…

Since:
1. The streaming shows get little traffic
2. They repeat the same general plot in superhero movies all the time

Ya dig?
It would matter in this case since it’s so short removed from the show. It actually had high viewership, but let’s say you’re right, it doesn’t matter if the show got little traffic, enough saw it that it would get review bombed for that alone, no reason to help on the front.
 

MoonRakerSCM

Well-Known Member
Yeah, it was riding off the coat tails of Wandavision... F&TWS. Was disliked by all my peeps who watched it. I never made it past the second episode and never intend to watch it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It would matter in this case since it’s so short removed from the show. It actually had high viewership, but let’s say you’re right, it doesn’t matter if the show got little traffic, enough saw it that it would get review bombed for that alone, no reason to help on the front.
I really don’t think that would matter

There’s a couple of myths that affect how we discuss these things:

1. That D+ is somekinda tour de force
2. Anything on there is appointment television. They have so little new content it’s become an afterthought. Most of the audience is likely what the Disney channel was.
 

Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
They need to make sure the movies work on their own, and that audiences know the TV series is optional.

You don't want people skipping a film because they think they won't understand it. That likely hurt The Marvels to a degree.

The Falcon show was good in that it developed a supporting character from the movies. It was a good way to address the dramatic issues, like what it meant for Sam to take on the Captain America mantle as a black man.

This frees up the movie to be more of a standard action flick. TV shows are typically more character focused and movies more plot focused. Splitting it up between the two allows them to potentially do both elements justice.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I really don’t think that would matter

There’s a couple of myths that affect how we discuss these things:

1. That D+ is somekinda tour de force
2. Anything on there is appointment television. They have so little new content it’s become an afterthought. Most of the audience is likely what the Disney channel was.
Forgetting for a second viewership and your disdain for anything D+.

You really don't think that the internet would review bomb an MCU movie if it was found out that they had reused the same storyline from one of their own shows from just 2 years ago? I think you're being naive if you think that wouldn't happen, or that there wouldn't have an impact on the movies box office.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
They need to make sure the movies work on their own, and that audiences know the TV series is optional.

You don't want people skipping a film because they think they won't understand it. That likely hurt The Marvels to a degree.

The Falcon show was good in that it developed a supporting character from the movies. It was a good way to address the dramatic issues, like what it meant for Sam to take on the Captain America mantle as a black man.

This frees up the movie to be more of a standard action flick. TV shows are typically more character focused and movies more plot focused. Splitting it up between the two allows them to potentially do both elements justice.
I think for the most part people only need to know for this movie is that Steve handed over the shield to Sam at the end of End Game. Watching FatWS just adds additional context and backstory that is not likely to be too important for this movie.

So the movie will still likely work on its own.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
You really don't think that the internet would review bomb an MCU movie if it was found out that they had reused the same storyline from one of their own shows from just 2 years ago?
I'm not really sure how that matters. So what if they review bomb? If the movie is a solid super hero film it will be fine. Super hero films especially, tend to share a whole lot of plot similarities. And besides, it would be a wash anyway after the review padding.
 

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