Cameron has given the OK ...

danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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Skyway said:
Yep. And Soarin' sucks. That's why people are willing to wait 2 hours for it, and applaud at the end.

And no one here has yet explained exactly what is 2.0 about it. How do you know that this won't have a completely different ride experience?
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Well, we know it's going to be 3D, so that's already one difference from Soarin.
 
Bairstow

Bairstow

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If it's digital projection, that would be a huge upgrade on the Soaring over California platform.
The WDW version of the attraction is in terrible condition right now due to film degradation and possible projector contamination.
I saw it for the first time this past Monday and the giant globs of dirt dancing around on screen almost ruined the experience for me.

I would hope that they would also consider going to a higher framerate with all future attraction films as well, like The Hobbit will.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Ignohippo said:
Yeah but the coaster (with a highly themed environment) can't be changed as easily if 2 and 3 bomb. I imagine the coaster will be phase 2 if Avatar 2 is successful at all.
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You mean like coasters whose themes are changed like your daily clothes at most theme parks? Come on.. a coaster would be far easier to redress since the theming is secondary to the ride and generally independent.. where as something like a motion sim.. the ride is entirely the script/visuals done for the theme.

Look at Space Mountain or RnRC.. and think how much would have to be changed to redress it to something else.. vs say... having to produce an entire new movie, reprogram, AND redress... an attraction say like star tours.

I would hope Disney is not considering 'which would be easier to redress...' in their concept phases. Nothing like 'planning for failure...' in your most ambitious, unrestrained phase of design. 'You go where you look...' if they focused on 'what if we fail..' from the start.. they are bound to need it.
 
lobelia

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Ignohippo said:
Not true. From what we've heard about the coaster, the ride environment will be almost as complex as the mountains of CarsLand and Radiator Springs Racers. Rumors say they're talking about building the floating islands, which would be impossible to simply re-theme.

A boat ride is just set pieces and AAs.
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I appreciate the ride environment as much as I enjoy the ride! The last trip to Florida we spent time in both Disney and Universal. Had a blast at both parks. Speaking for myself,what sets WDW apart from Universal is the immersion into the thematic evironments. It is not only about the ride mechanisms for us. We love the music, the landscaping, the set design along with the ride. If it was about the rides, I would skip Disney and go to Cedar Point. If they can make me feel like I am on Pandora and not walking Central Florida, I will enjoy myself. Actually we do go to Cedar Point, but when we walk around it feels like I am walking from a que to que of painted pipes in the ground. While the rides are exciting, I mostly spend my time counting tattoos.
 
RSoxNo1

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Mouse's Magic said:
Has Cameron seen/been on Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey or Spiderman? I am wondering if he knows what is out there that he is "competing" against.

Does Cameron know that Soarin exists...and that his new "E-ticket" looks to be very similar to it.

I wish he would have pushed harder for something groundbreaking since he is "Cameron" and thats what he likes to do...
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He has been brought to IOA. No idea if he went on anything, but I assume he would have.
 
Atomicmickey

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Ignohippo said:
Not true. From what we've heard about the coaster, the ride environment will be almost as complex as the mountains of CarsLand and Radiator Springs Racers. Rumors say they're talking about building the floating islands, which would be impossible to simply re-theme.

A boat ride is just set pieces and AAs. They've already proven how easily they can change this type of ride with Stitch. The theater ride is, as you say, just a movie. It'd be relatively inexpensive to change that out (especially with Disney's CGI capabilities).
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I'm gonna surmise that the queue will be highly themed and immersive, on the level of Mermaid.
I see all those winding hallways, and I think about wandering through scientific Avatar labs, or perhaps
under their home tree, or perhaps in the village. There are lots of opportunities for intense theming
in the queue, if it's just a hallway, they've really dropped the ball. Yes, that would make it easier to
re-theme, but I don't think it's gonna be just a hallway.
 
Bairstow

Bairstow

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flynnibus said:
You mean like coasters whose themes are changed like your daily clothes at most theme parks? Come on.. a coaster would be far easier to redress since the theming is secondary to the ride and generally independent.. where as something like a motion sim.. the ride is entirely the script/visuals done for the theme.

Look at Space Mountain or RnRC.. and think how much would have to be changed to redress it to something else.. vs say... having to produce an entire new movie, reprogram, AND redress... an attraction say like star tours.

I would hope Disney is not considering 'which would be easier to redress...' in their concept phases. Nothing like 'planning for failure...' in your most ambitious, unrestrained phase of design. 'You go where you look...' if they focused on 'what if we fail..' from the start.. they are bound to need it.
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Ignohippo has a point, though.

Consider for a moment the relative ease with which Universal was able to transform Back to the Future into The Simpsons Ride.
What with its multiple, branching ride programs, Star Tours 2 partially re-themes itself after every ride.

Re-themeing, or heck, even repairing something like Expedition Everst: is nearly impossible without partially tearing down the whole structure.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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Skyway said:
Yep. And Soarin' sucks. That's why people are willing to wait 2 hours for it, and applaud at the end.

And no one here has yet explained exactly what is 2.0 about it. How do you know that this won't have a completely different ride experience?
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There have been posts going back in this thread that indicate what is 2.0 about this project. For starters it would be in 3D, and the other component is that it will likely be 60 frames per second. As for the motion of the ride system that seems to be unknown.
 
rkelly42

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I for one will hold my judgement till avatarland is complete, it is the only way that we will know for sure if this is a fail or not.
 
kap91

kap91

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Disney is not known for creating coasters like Manta or the Hulk, nor should they be. They are known for creating immersive experiences that try to be accessible to everyone, or at least large brackets of the visiting guest. I'll take a well themed, long and slow omnimover or traveling theatre frankly, immersive themed experience any day over a thrill ride - even one with equal theming. I love coasters as much as the next thrill seeker but they have nowhere near the same enjoyability or repeatability that a ride like the Haunted Mansion or Pirates has (not that Pandora will or won't have anything like them). If there must be thrill rides because the suits don't think non-thrill rides will bring people in than make them like Indy,TOT, and FJ. The less coasters in the world the better, even if they are heavily themed you don't get much out of them - everything whizzes by in a flash and they're definitely not enjoyable by all. Rides are most successful based on amazing special effects, scenery, and placemaking - things you see on the inside not how much your body moves on them. Anyway, that's what they should be.

Edit: I do agree that all theme parks have been placing a bit too much emphasis on screen based experiences, although I'm hoping that this is largely just a fad because the tech is new(er) and novel - and while it looks like one of the avatar rides is likely to be a simulator the idea of a boat ride through pandora is very intriguing.
 
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Ignohippo

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flynnibus said:
You mean like coasters whose themes are changed like your daily clothes at most theme parks? Come on.. a coaster would be far easier to redress since the theming is secondary to the ride and generally independent.. where as something like a motion sim.. the ride is entirely the script/visuals done for the theme.

Look at Space Mountain or RnRC.. and think how much would have to be changed to redress it to something else.. vs say... having to produce an entire new movie, reprogram, AND redress... an attraction say like star tours.

I would hope Disney is not considering 'which would be easier to redress...' in their concept phases. Nothing like 'planning for failure...' in your most ambitious, unrestrained phase of design. 'You go where you look...' if they focused on 'what if we fail..' from the start.. they are bound to need it.
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Please see post #463.

We're talking Radiator Springs style rock work on the coaster – not simply set dressing. The boat ride on the other hand would be easy to change.

Considering many within the company are against Avatar in the first place, I don't think it's wrong of them to be cautious at all.
 
cheezbat

cheezbat

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Master Yoda said:
This just in.....Not everyone likes roller coasters. I am sure there are quite a few people as pleased as punch that the current plans for Avatar Land do not have a coaster in it.
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And those of us who think there SHOULD be a coaster as well as a family dark ride.

Why can't we have both? The way it's been recently, were getting 1 coaster every ten years or more. All 4 parks need more E-tickets...some being big coasters, others being awesome immersive dark rides.
 
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Ignohippo

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Bairstow said:
Ignohippo has a point, though.

Consider for a moment the relative ease with which Universal was able to transform Back to the Future into The Simpsons Ride.
What with its multiple, branching ride programs, Star Tours 2 partially re-themes itself after every ride.

Re-themeing, or heck, even repairing something like Expedition Everst: is nearly impossible without partially tearing down the whole structure.
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Exactly.
 
kap91

kap91

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cheezbat said:
And those of us who think there SHOULD be a coaster as well as a family dark ride.

Why can't we have both? The way it's been recently, were getting 1 coaster every ten years or more. All 4 parks need more E-tickets...some being big coasters, others being awesome immersive dark rides.
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All parks need more e-tickets, all the parks need a lot, but the less coasters at Disney the better, that's what makes them unique.
 

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