Rumor Brazil is the frontrunner for a new World Showcase Pavilion

[Piebald]

I agree about Le Cellier. When I want a good steak in Disney World I head to the Yachtsman at the Yacht Club.

The best steak in Disney and easily one of the best in Central Florida. Berns in Tampa takes the cake though.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I wasn't even aware there has apparently been an Olympic Games in Brazil? What weird nations watch these things?

Brazil hosted a rather fun World Cup of an actual sport though. Well fun if you're not Brazilian. *counts to seven on fingers*

 

[ToTBellHop]

I wasn't even aware there has apparently been an Olympic Games in Brazil? What weird nations watch these things?

Brazil hosted a rather fun World Cup of an actual sport though. Well fun if you're not Brazilian. *counts to seven on fingers*

I love the Olympics. Remember the time Putin had Bob Costas poisoned so he bled from his eyes?

 

[jpeden]

I guess you're not acquainted with cooking the books. Or how common specific practice infects everything the Olympics is a part of.

1988 Olympics: Seoul did not account for $1.5 billion in related infrastructure spending on the final report. They lost $1.1 billion when all economic factors were compared, and that's with very friendly massaging done to the books.

1992 Olympics: costs over-runs were record breaking, yet were conveniently wiped from the books to make it appear that they had turned a profit. Others claim that in the end, BCN really did see real economic gains from becoming the host city, and those gains are still paying dividends today- but so are the debts. I still don't see what financial voodoo they committed to convince the public that $10 billion in spending was offset by hosting the games. The Winter Games also lost a massive amount of money BEFORE $1.2 billion in infrastructure spending is factored.

1994 Olympics: Lillehammer "made money" yet required a billion dollar bail out.

1996 Olympics: A $10 million profit, when not accounting for $2 billion in federal spending. This was done with HEAVY book cooking.

1998 Olympics: So bad that they DESTROYED THE DOCUMENTS

2000 Olympics: Massive loss

2002 Olympics: $100 million profit, again eschewing billions infrastructure spending. Also not accounting for the (no doubt) $100 million in bribes, kickbacks and off the books contracts needed to secure the games. If it takes millions in bribes to construct an office building sometimes, imagine the bribery costs for the Olympics.

2004 Olympics: Gargantuan loss

2006 Olympics: Slight loss

2008 Olympics: They're claiming a 1% profit from the games.After all of the financial manipulation they worked into the numbers, they were able to squeeze out a profit to justify the costs to China's people. Just like China's phony rate of growth no doubt.

2010 Olympics: More cooked books, accurate estimates state that they might have been able to break even.

And of course since then it's been all downhill. I hope Japan bucks the trend.

Yeah, I know how numbers work - I do finance for a living. You believe what you believe, I'll believe what I know.

 

[raymusiccity]

The best steak in Disney and easily one of the best in Central Florida. Berns in Tampa takes the cake though.

'Berns Wine Cellar' would qualify as an attraction in itself. 600,000 bottles and counting!!

 

[Otterhead]

then why bother even buying tickets? Go to Disney Springs or your local Mall.

I don't recall my local mall having themed areas that immerse visitors in the sounds, smells, and flavors of various countries. If yours does, I would encourage you to visit! Meanwhile I'll enjoy Epcot.

 

[Otterhead]

I wasn't even aware there has apparently been an Olympic Games in Brazil? What weird nations watch these things?

You're joking, right?

 

[Gringrinngghost]

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Just gotta say, I don't think Brazil will...

 

[Otterhead]

Although Id guess most people don't even know they exist.

They're always very full every time I go. Especially China. That movie hasn't been updated in forever but the theater is packed every time I've visited. Same with Canada -- I guess people like watching Martin Short be goofy.

 

[RoysCabin]

then why bother even buying tickets? Go to Disney Springs or your local Mall. Not demanding a ride every 10 feet, but the entire World Showcase only having two rides is a little underwhelming, especially when you know it was originally designed to have many...

That's definitely an area where I'd love to see some balance. I'm not an advocate for E tickets all over WS (would rather leave American Adventure as the WS wienie attraction), but there definitely should be more than there is, currently, especially given the original plans for the UK and Italy, the unused spaces in Germany and Japan, and the more expansive ideas for rides like Mexico's. However, I'm also a big believer in EPCOT thriving as a "hang out" park, where you can sip your drink while eyeing some museum level exhibits and checking out nice shops and snack stands; that's where the WS most typically shines.

End of the day, both are necessary; if Brazil is brought in, I definitely want a nice, simple, C or D level attraction to complement a walkable, aesthetically and culturally pleasing space dotted with points of interest.

 

[BEARSHOUSE4]

OMG what if, somehow, they integrate the coming gondolas into Brazil.
And runways with supermodels. Just sayin'

 

[WDW1974]

For real. Like, I get Spirit has a great track record but it IS possible someone knows something/has a source that he doesn't.

Of course it is. I don't know for certain whether this is something happening. What I do know is that a real pavilion, meaning something that doesn't look much less than any of the nations currently represented with a minor attractions like boat ride or travelogue film, full serve restaurant, retail and area development is going to come in at between $250-400 million with the way WDI goes through money. Disney is not paying that. If someone else is, then you absolutely might get a pavilion. I just find Brazil an odd choice on the heels of the Olympiad. But I can't say it isn't happening, because I don't know that for a fact.

 

[WDW1974]

Am I known for propagating falsehoods?

I'm not JT.

1974 also swears Star Wars Land is opening in 2021. I hear differently. We all win some and lose some. I heard Paint the Night was coming. Clearly that was incorrect.

Now, let's not get testy. And let's not use alternative facts. I most certainly do not swear the SWE is opening in 2021. I have said for a long time that it would be 2020. I'm fully aware of what Bob Iger said. I'm also aware he said Pandora was opening in 2015. And that Hyperion Wharf was coming to WDW. I could go on ... if the point is I am not right all the time, then you need to be taken out into the swamps, tied up, shot and fed to the gators. No, no .. I'm kidding. But let's just stick with what I actually say.

Thank goodness this is a rumor board. I find rumors fascinating as they give a glimpse at how the company works. If one does not care for the fact that sometimes we miss the mark here, there is always the www.wdwmagic.com main page, which deals only in verified facts.

I would agree with this!

 

[WDW1974]

Have you looked at the aftermath of recent Japanese or American Olympic Games? Nagano looks great...Let's not judge Rio too harshly. Hosting an Olympic Games wrecks any city. I'm not sure why anyone wants to host anymore. It costs a fortune with negligible return. http://www.businessinsider.com/aban...et-to-prepare-for-the-2004-summer-olympics-32

I don't like derailing threads because I believe we should do unto others as they don't do unto the Spirit. That said, I was part of the organizing committee that brought the 2008 Games to Beijing. And another dear friend who will always haunt these boards was part of the last two Games held in the USA. The Olympics are very unfairly bashed often due to the real corruption that sometimes pushes decisions. All of that said, the spectacle and what it can do to a city and nation are unparalleled. ... I very much hope LA 2024 becomes a reality and, if so, that I can be a part of it.

 

[WDW1974]

Frankly, I find the groups of American teenagers who sing in line and think they're in "Glee" as annoying as any tourists from other countries.

Back on subject, I guess adding Brazil would make guests from that country feel represented in World Showcase, but I question the logic of it. Would they be especially interested in food and merch from their Epcot country? Maybe, but it seems like it would be better business to add a country whose entertainment value appeals to guests across the board. Maybe that's Brazil, but maybe it's another country.

Racism against Brazilians is one of the few things that is still as cool online as it was 20 years ago. ... Americans are just as obnoxious in the parks, often more so, but you don't get people ripping a nation because individuals are (want to use Prez T's favorite word, but apparently that is a no-no here, which makes zero sense to me). For that matter, tourists at FL theme parks from any/every where are often obnoxious. It goes with the territory.

 

[WDW1974]

OK ... so this has turned into an Olympics thread ... can we talk about whether Frozen belongs in EPCOT or how TFA's box office is a measure of it being a good movie (which it really wasn't)? God, I'm hungry for a real cheese steak sammich ...

 

[WDW1974]

From what I'm told a new WS pavilion is (very) currently coming.

It's quite reassuring that several people here obviously get information from different places as opposed to just one source.

I hope you are right. It's only going on 30 years now ...

 

[WDW1974]

I feel like I should add there's no hidden agenda here. @WDW1974 and I know each other. I think I can speak for both of us by saying we're not batting against each other or after brownie points. But sometimes we do receive different information. Which should be a good thing since it's not all coming from one place.

Really?!?! Because with all my time away you went from way back in 'likes' (and fanboi foam) to ahead of me. You'd almost think I cared!

Seriously, I do feel better that the info is coming from you. There are others who have come in with some awfully good info of late, but because I know you personally and trust you, I know there is no BS at play. I do hope you are right on this one. EPCOT has just fallen so hard and so far from its 80s and 90s greatness into a muddled mess that survives on 16 food and booze fests annually! Even these young know-it-all Millennials, who weren't born when the park was so awe-inspiring, can learn some history from just watching your great videos.

The sources who are feeding you this info, when do they say this pavilion would be open if things go according to plan?

 

[GeneralKnowledge]

I love the Olympics. Remember the time Putin had Bob Costas poisoned so he bled from his eyes?

I once peed at a urinal next to Bob Costas. I noticed afterward that he washed his hands exceptionally thoroughly. It was nice to see he took that whole pink eye incident seriously.

 

[marni1971]

The sources who are feeding you this info, when do they say this pavilion would be open if things go according to plan?

It would be a parks 40th project as it stands. I know. I've got an unbuilt pavilions collection too. But I'm told this one is coming.