Come to my local mall then.
Even then it's not a theme park attraction. If walking through a pavilion - no matter the level of immersion - is classed as an attraction it's no wonder Epcot is in the mess that it is.
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Rumor Brazil is the frontrunner for a new World Showcase Pavilion
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Even then it's not a theme park attraction. If walking through a pavilion - no matter the level of immersion - is classed as an attraction it's no wonder Epcot is in the mess that it is.
ToTBellHop
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Wasn't trying to attack you here at all. Just pointing out that different people hear different things. That's why this is a rumors board. Sorry for mixing up the year. I try so hard to avoid moving into the post-truth society everyone else seems to be living in.
Otterhead
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So... you're saying that there's no reason for any of the pavilions in World Showcase to exist without actual rides?
Funny that they've been drawing crowds since 1982 pretty effectively.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't personally believe every spot of a theme park needs a ride to justify its existence.
No.... you're trying to put words in my mouth.
Otterhead
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Not at all. That's literally what you're saying. You specifically stated that Epcot is a mess partially because some of the lands in World Showcase don't have attractions beyond their own atmosphere. My feeling is that atmospheric, well designed spaces with local music, shopping, and food can draw crowds without having actual rides.
No. I said anyone who calls a themed environment an attraction is to blame for the lack of attractions in Epcot today.
Themed, immersive environments are expected in a park of the calibre of the WDW ones. But as a transit between the actual attractions. Not as an attraction.
Otterhead
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Well, to be fair, I called it an "attraction" in quotes, as in, a space that attracts people. I didn't mean to equate a well themed atmosphere to, say, the missing Rhine River Cruise. I deeply wish that time and money had allowed them to complete what sat incomplete back in the 80s. But that said, if a Brazil land ever gets built, I think the local music, dance, and food could potentially entertain people quite well without a ride. Carnival time every hour!
To open a new pavilion in 2017 without an attraction would make them a laughing stock. IMHO. But I'm glad we got the rest sorted out
Otterhead
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From the perspective of theme park competition, I can see your point there, absolutely. "PotterWorld is doing great! What's Disney opening to compete? A... little fake Brazil with a restaurant and some people dancing. Huh."
rushtest4echo
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This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but-
Currently, World Showcase is a mix of a few worthwhile attractions that are popular (including Frozen, sorry crybabies), a few cultural exhibits that literally nobody bothers to look at, and shopping/dining/performers which currently happens to be the main draw of the area. This isn't any different from the day EPCOT opened though.
Mexico- Mid level ride, medium popularity, Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the real draw, the ride isn't even noticed by most
Norway- Mid level ride, extreme popularity (now), cultural area that nobody cares for
China- Circlevision, non-existent culture currently in museum, both are largely ignored in favor Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture
Germany- Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
Italy- Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
USA- Major show performed, small museum that's mildly popular
Japan- Small museum which is ignored, Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
Morocco - Small museum which is ignored, Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
France- Minor film which is ignored, - Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
UK- Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
Canada- Circlevision mostly ignored, Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
So right now, half of the pavilions have no real draw beyond Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture, and the remaining half don't actually draw people in search of attractions except for the USA, Norway and a small percentage of people who sit through the films. Sorry guys, it's always been about the Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture- not rides or other attractions. While I'd love to see more "real" attractions, it's not some travesty if another pavilion were to open offering only Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture. That would simply reflect the offerings that are largely present at all of the current counties save for a few. That hasn't really changed. I get that every country had some form of ride/attraction that was axed along the way (Meet the World, Mt Fuji, Shinkansen walk through and others just for Japan!), but none of that actually came to fruition. What's there now is largely what was there when the area opened.
American Adventure is literally the only headliner in the World Showcase aside from Frozen. I certainly hope that there's a headliner attraction in any new country, but that would in fact be a departure from the makeup of the showcase as it is now.
Sometimes I think people forget that the Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture function as the attraction for World Showcase. Well, that and booze.
Currently, World Showcase is a mix of a few worthwhile attractions that are popular (including Frozen, sorry crybabies), a few cultural exhibits that literally nobody bothers to look at, and shopping/dining/performers which currently happens to be the main draw of the area. This isn't any different from the day EPCOT opened though.
Mexico- Mid level ride, medium popularity, Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the real draw, the ride isn't even noticed by most
Norway- Mid level ride, extreme popularity (now), cultural area that nobody cares for
China- Circlevision, non-existent culture currently in museum, both are largely ignored in favor Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture
Germany- Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
Italy- Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
USA- Major show performed, small museum that's mildly popular
Japan- Small museum which is ignored, Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
Morocco - Small museum which is ignored, Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
France- Minor film which is ignored, - Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
UK- Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
Canada- Circlevision mostly ignored, Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture are the only real draw
So right now, half of the pavilions have no real draw beyond Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture, and the remaining half don't actually draw people in search of attractions except for the USA, Norway and a small percentage of people who sit through the films. Sorry guys, it's always been about the Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture- not rides or other attractions. While I'd love to see more "real" attractions, it's not some travesty if another pavilion were to open offering only Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture. That would simply reflect the offerings that are largely present at all of the current counties save for a few. That hasn't really changed. I get that every country had some form of ride/attraction that was axed along the way (Meet the World, Mt Fuji, Shinkansen walk through and others just for Japan!), but none of that actually came to fruition. What's there now is largely what was there when the area opened.
American Adventure is literally the only headliner in the World Showcase aside from Frozen. I certainly hope that there's a headliner attraction in any new country, but that would in fact be a departure from the makeup of the showcase as it is now.
Sometimes I think people forget that the Performers/Shopping/Dining/Architecture function as the attraction for World Showcase. Well, that and booze.
Laketravis
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I think the probability of Brazil getting a WDW is higher than WDW getting a Brazil.
But as we know, it comes down to $$$ and if they believe opening a new pavillion for a country without an attraction just to build interest and then open the attraction a year later is going to give them the best ROI, then that is what they will do. And most likely I could see it going that way. As far as more "attractions" in WS, I believe they have missed on several opportunities to use an attraction to celebrate the heritage of several of the nations already represented. Now, thats not to say they are not blue or have never been considered, it just means they have been so invested in other parks while WS has become festival central, they seemed to always move it to the back burner. It appears those days are passing and the realization they need to fix Epcot has come to reality.
Sometimes I think people forget Epcot was meant to offer more. So why not try and fix it now?
Exit polls certainly show guests believe the park needs fixing. Especially in the WS attraction department. Hence the sudden realisation the park needs help. I won't go into detail but there's more than another country, Rat and something in the UK proposed to change.
Kamikaze
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Does this mean the next meaningful addition to WS won't be for another 5 years?
Rat should be sooner.
Kamikaze
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Not anymore. Brazil is broke. Disney wouldn't build there in the current climate.
Well thats something, I guess.
Laketravis
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xdan0920
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Not terribly surprising. With the 24/7/365 festivals, you are leaving World Showcase, in no particular order...
Poor
Hungry
Bored
Aggravated by crowds
Not a great recipe for guest satisfaction.
Otterhead
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And that's why I also have doubts about a Brazil attraction. Correct me if I'm wrong, but WS is still largely sponsored. Frozen exists partially because Norway is no longer sponsoring their own pavilion and Disney wanted something newer there. If Brazil isn't going to commit to 10+ years of sponsorship, they're definitely not getting a WS pavilion.
The Rio Olympics happened because the money had been long set aside for the new stadiums, etc. Unfortunately it wasn't set aside for the infrastructure, manpower, or electricity to actually run the thing, so that's where the problems came in. Kudos to them for pulling it off on a shoestring.
Bocabear
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Why aim so low? A C or D level attraction? You know if they at least aim for an E they will value engineer it down to a C or D...If you aim for a C or D attraction they will end up just building a gift shop...lol
Sad but seems to be true... EPCOT would be amazingly relevant and not have to depend on the festivals for attendance if they had just built the attractions they originally planned... TDO's own lack of action refurbishing, refreshing and updating attractions led to the state the park is currently in...
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