Rumor Brazil (and maybe others) Pavilion Coming to Epcot [not about Brazilian people nor a country wish list]

[PorterRedkey]

We hope so, but not sure yet.

It’s coming, but it might not be announced tomorrow.

 

[aladdin2007]

Well Morocco has a really nice little museum. At the very least they need something like that.

which is actually closed right now, for anyone who would like to know. I would guess a new exhibit is forthcoming but haven't heard anything.

 

[Surfin' Tuna]

I know we have heard 50/50 for a Brazil announcement tomorrow, but are we sure this build is still happening? I was told Thursday that it's back off the table (as of about 60 days ago). I argued, but this person has great credentials and said "no." Disney is good at compartmentalizing things, but this guy should know.

I know Martin will be awake soon, so I hope he knows something.

 

[marni1971]

I know we have heard 50/50 for a Brazil announcement tomorrow, but are we sure this build is still happening? I was told Thursday that it's back off the table (as of about 60 days ago). I argued, but this person has great credentials and said "no." Disney is good at compartmentalizing things, but this guy should know.

I know Martin will be awake soon, so I hope he knows something.

I’m up. Scorching day ahead with a walk in a country park followed by a BBQ.

And something about some theme parks somewhere.

 

[LieutLaww]

I’m up. Scorching day ahead with a walk in a country park followed by a BBQ.

And something about some theme parks somewhere.

It's amazing that we have decent weather here, especially as its a bank holiday weekend lol

 

[smile]

Scorching day ahead with a walk in a country park followed by a BBQ.

sun's out, guns out!

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Well Morocco has a really nice little museum. At the very least they need something like that.

I'm sure this is true for almost no-one else, but the little museums are one of the things that make World Showcase for me. The pinnacle is the Japan Pavilion museum which always seems to have interesting exhibitions, though I even liked the little exhibit on the Scandinavian design inspirations for Frozen. It would be great if they put in some more, including in Brazil.

 

[nickys]

It’s coming, but it might not be announced tomorrow.

Are you able to give us a reason why they might not announce it? Too far off? That would be odd, given the timescale for the Spine project.

 

[Frankiepopsicles]

Are you able to give us a reason why they might not announce it? Too far off? That would be odd, given the timescale for the Spine project.

Probably due to what's going on with the Rainforest over there

 

[nickys]

Probably due to what's going on with the Rainforest over there

That is one possible reason, for sure.

I was just wondering if @PorterRedkey was able to share a reason for his statement. Rightly or wrongly, I felt like it was said with a purpose. He may not be able to share though, which is fine.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

Your ignorance is astounding

The appropriateness of your name to your speech is astounding

So I’ve had a slow day at work, which has led to me creating a comparison excel sheet of everything each pavilion has to offer, stay tuned (I was just curious as to how Brazil would compare to the others)

Okay, I'm going to start off with my criteria for this:

• Ride- 5 points
• Film- 4 points
• Guardians of the Galaxy Mixtape Live/whatever band is playing across American Adventure- 3 points
• Smaller live acts- 2.5 points
• Meet & Greet- 2 points
• Table Service Restaurant- 1 point
• Quick Service- .5 point
• Snack or Bar- .25 point
• Shop- .1 point

I take some slight pride in my spreadsheets

I just have a lot of passion for the World Showcase and would like to see it reach its full potential (also because Germany and Canada- Montréal in particular- stole my heart and I want them to be better represented at Epcot).

I too love information and the organization of it. But... I feel as if the metrics of this exercise aren't representative of the true quality of a pavilion. But I find in the complaints over the last dozen pages or so that people are looking at this in similarly flat terms. "If it doesn't have an attraction, it isn't worth anything. Why build the pavilion?"

There are many things that dictate the quality of a pavilion besides rides, although some of them are quite subjective. To me, the ratings of the pavilions have historically been as such:

Japan
Morocco
China
France
The United Kingdom
Mexico
Germany
Norway
Canada
The American Adventure
Italy

Italy is the worst to me because before the Via Napoli expansion it always seemed unfinished. There was one big building. And one small one with a fountain and forest on the edge. The restaurant is often not at the top of people's ratings for Italian food, and is the primary attraction. The area on the lagoon is nice, but there's not much there. The addition is just another restaurant. The shops don't seem to have much of interest. I admit, though, that it's been some time and I'm struggling to remember what they had besides Venitian masks, wine, soccer uniforms, and balls. There are no characters and I'm not sure where the show is right now because I know cuts and changes were made.

Japan's Mitsukoshi department store is huge and has an extremely diverse amount of products that give a complex view of the culture of its nation. As I write this I'm realizing the stark difference between wares of the pavilions sponsored by shops and the pavilions sponsored by restaurants. But back to the point, the pearl counter practically serves as its own show. I never leave without trying something at the sake bar. The employees are a joy! They manage to take customer service above the Disney standard while also having fun. The gardens are beautiful and provide small places to explore, nature to watch. There is beautiful craftsmanship and the show fills the air with music that helps take you to the place as opposed to taking you out of it. And that doesn't cover the museum, which I've honestly never visited because I always seem to miss the entrance. I'm not 100% sure where it is.

I suppose the things I consider important in a World Showcase pavilion are as such:

- Immersion and corners to explore and disappear
- Representation of the culture of the nation
- Interesting and varied options

China has some beautiful sights, although the pavilion has a rather straightforward layout of just one pathway to the left with a shop and restaurant. But I rate it highly just because of the fact that it has perhaps my favorite place in the world. A pathway goes through the center of the little pond to the Temple of Heaven, but there's a smaller pathway that goes to the right. It's almost abandoned, with just a few benches and at one time drop-off for the interactive game. You can sit there and enjoy the serene calm of the pond before you, listen to the plinking of the soundtrack and the rush of water as the beautiful buildings raise up before you.

Morocco is a work... of... art. Literally, I suppose, but it's a wonder to behold.

Canada... I agree that Canada needs so much more. It doesn't even have a quick-service location!!! There's essentially a small shop, the restaurant, and the film. It wasn't until recently that I found out that the top is meant to be a queue for the film. I thought it was just entered through the gardens. Seeing pictures of pathway through the mountain confused me, since I didn't know where they were. This, I think, is indicative of what people think of when they compare this to Disney Springs. The Canadian pavilion *is* Le Cellier and Northwest Mercantile. The gardens are nice, but not really displayed as an attraction like they could. People talk about wanting Germany to get its boat ride, but can we get a flume ride for Canada?

Meanwhile, Mexico is beautiful and the indoor look is so unique. It suffers a little bit from the giant restaurant they plopped on the outside cutting what is there off from the lagoon. I didn't personally like this restaurant and I've never heard anything positive about San Angel Inn. But La Cava is incredible, but overcrowded. And then there's Gran Fiesta Tour. It's... a bit of a step down. The story is silly and it took away from Rio del Tiempo's attempt to teach about the place. It could do both, but it doesn't. It tries to portray a high-energy experience, but the plodding boat ride doesn't mix well with this, instead leaving you watching the same loop multiple times. As a partial Puerto Rican, I grew up with my clamshell of the Three Caballeros on the shelf alongside West Side Story, Mambo Kings, and La Bamba. I love them, but this was a quick bandage job. You wouldn't give Tiki Room: New Management 5 points towards its home.

So... Is Brazil useful without an attraction? Of course! How can it be?

1. The people. I mentioned the cast members at Mitsukoshi and people always talk about being careful not to get caught up trying to drink around the world by the barmaids at Germany. And who can forget Carl? If the cast members are gregarious and full of personality, which is something I've often seen the country be remarked for in the past, it would be a boon.

2. The music. They need a band like Mo Rockin' and Off Kilter. Something loud and showy that will take over the pavilion like the drums of Japan. Catch people's attention and draw them in.

3. The food. The pork belly was tied for my entire family's favorite dish at the Food and Wine festival. Have several options. The signature option to give you high-quality, culturally accurate high cuisine. The lower table-service Brazilian steakhouse with huge capacity. A quick service and at least one food cart along with one or two drink carts. Fill the air with the smell. Have unique treats that people will dream of coming back to like the shortbread cookies at Karamel Kuche or the Schoolbread at Kringla! Perhaps include a lounge similar to the Rose and Crown. I don't know if there is anything in Brazilian culture that could act as a parallel, a gathering place where people come together to have a good time. Have some kind of lounge with friendly cast members and perhaps a musical act inside to get everyone going, whether it be passionate and high-energy like the main one or a soulful Astrud Gilberto-style singer with some chill bossa nova when she's on break. Make it an experience.

4. The wares. Make the shops interesting. I don't know enough to know what things would be in a Brazilian shop besides yellow jerseys and blue shorts, but there definitely has to be an instrument shop. Include a cast members working there who knows how to play them and occasionally does so, showing the guests how, drawing people in, and adding to the atmosphere of the pavilion. Speaking of which...

5. The atmosphere. If the above has pointed to anything, it's this: high energy. Something always going on and a certain rhythm. Given the importance of the Amazon, a jungle with a stream going through it would be nice to included, but it will be tough in that small plot. Perhaps by the back while the front will take a more modern approach. It definitely needs a Bahia section! And the Caballeros should be moved here with Coco taking over Mexico. The fact that Mexico was featured in the D23 model of new things and the prominent guitar makes me hopeful. Disney + is about to open every film year round and there's new shows. Push the Caballeros.

This can be good even without a ride... although you can still bring one in in a Phase 2.

 

[Pinkpearl]

The appropriateness of your name to your speech is astounding

I too love information and the organization of it. But... I feel as if the metrics of this exercise aren't representative of the true quality of a pavilion. But I find in the complaints over the last dozen pages or so that people are looking at this in similarly flat terms. "If it doesn't have an attraction, it isn't worth anything. Why build the pavilion?"

There are many things that dictate the quality of a pavilion besides rides, although some of them are quite subjective. To me, the ratings of the pavilions have historically been as such:

Japan
Morocco
China
France
The United Kingdom
Mexico
Germany
Norway
Canada
The American Adventure
Italy

Italy is the worst to me because before the Via Napoli expansion it always seemed unfinished. There was one big building. And one small one with a fountain and forest on the edge. The restaurant is often not at the top of people's ratings for Italian food, and is the primary attraction. The area on the lagoon is nice, but there's not much there. The addition is just another restaurant. The shops don't seem to have much of interest. I admit, though, that it's been some time and I'm struggling to remember what they had besides Venitian masks, wine, soccer uniforms, and balls. There are no characters and I'm not sure where the show is right now because I know cuts and changes were made.

Japan's Mitsukoshi department store is huge and has an extremely diverse amount of products that give a complex view of the culture of its nation. As I write this I'm realizing the stark difference between wares of the pavilions sponsored by shops and the pavilions sponsored by restaurants. But back to the point, the pearl counter practically serves as its own show. I never leave without trying something at the sake bar. The employees are a joy! They manage to take customer service above the Disney standard while also having fun. The gardens are beautiful and provide small places to explore, nature to watch. There is beautiful craftsmanship and the show fills the air with music that helps take you to the place as opposed to taking you out of it. And that doesn't cover the museum, which I've honestly never visited because I always seem to miss the entrance. I'm not 100% sure where it is.

I suppose the things I consider important in a World Showcase pavilion are as such:

- Immersion and corners to explore and disappear
- Representation of the culture of the nation
- Interesting and varied options

China has some beautiful sights, although the pavilion has a rather straightforward layout of just one pathway to the left with a shop and restaurant. But I rate it highly just because of the fact that it has perhaps my favorite place in the world. A pathway goes through the center of the little pond to the Temple of Heaven, but there's a smaller pathway that goes to the right. It's almost abandoned, with just a few benches and at one time drop-off for the interactive game. You can sit there and enjoy the serene calm of the pond before you, listen to the plinking of the soundtrack and the rush of water as the beautiful buildings raise up before you.

Morocco is a work... of... art. Literally, I suppose, but it's a wonder to behold.

Canada... I agree that Canada needs so much more. It doesn't even have a quick-service location!!! There's essentially a small shop, the restaurant, and the film. It wasn't until recently that I found out that the top is meant to be a queue for the film. I thought it was just entered through the gardens. Seeing pictures of pathway through the mountain confused me, since I didn't know where they were. This, I think, is indicative of what people think of when they compare this to Disney Springs. The Canadian pavilion *is* Le Cellier and Northwest Mercantile. The gardens are nice, but not really displayed as an attraction like they could. People talk about wanting Germany to get its boat ride, but can we get a flume ride for Canada?

Meanwhile, Mexico is beautiful and the indoor look is so unique. It suffers a little bit from the giant restaurant they plopped on the outside cutting what is there off from the lagoon. I didn't personally like this restaurant and I've never heard anything positive about San Angel Inn. But La Cava is incredible, but overcrowded. And then there's Gran Fiesta Tour. It's... a bit of a step down. The story is silly and it took away from Rio del Tiempo's attempt to teach about the place. It could do both, but it doesn't. It tries to portray a high-energy experience, but the plodding boat ride doesn't mix well with this, instead leaving you watching the same loop multiple times. As a partial Puerto Rican, I grew up with my clamshell of the Three Caballeros on the shelf alongside West Side Story, Mambo Kings, and La Bamba. I love them, but this was a quick bandage job. You wouldn't give Tiki Room: New Management 5 points towards its home.

So... Is Brazil useful without an attraction? Of course! How can it be?

1. The people. I mentioned the cast members at Mitsukoshi and people always talk about being careful not to get caught up trying to drink around the world by the barmaids at Germany. And who can forget Carl? If the cast members are gregarious and full of personality, which is something I've often seen the country be remarked for in the past, it would be a boon.

2. The music. They need a band like Mo Rockin' and Off Kilter. Something loud and showy that will take over the pavilion like the drums of Japan. Catch people's attention and draw them in.

3. The food. The pork belly was tied for my entire family's favorite dish at the Food and Wine festival. Have several options. The signature option to give you high-quality, culturally accurate high cuisine. The lower table-service Brazilian steakhouse with huge capacity. A quick service and at least one food cart along with one or two drink carts. Fill the air with the smell. Have unique treats that people will dream of coming back to like the shortbread cookies at Karamel Kuche or the Schoolbread at Kringla! Perhaps include a lounge similar to the Rose and Crown. I don't know if there is anything in Brazilian culture that could act as a parallel, a gathering place where people come together to have a good time. Have some kind of lounge with friendly cast members and perhaps a musical act inside to get everyone going, whether it be passionate and high-energy like the main one or a soulful Astrud Gilberto-style singer with some chill bossa nova when she's on break. Make it an experience.

4. The wares. Make the shops interesting. I don't know enough to know what things would be in a Brazilian shop besides yellow jerseys and blue shorts, but there definitely has to be an instrument shop. Include a cast members working there who knows how to play them and occasionally does so, showing the guests how, drawing people in, and adding to the atmosphere of the pavilion. Speaking of which...

5. The atmosphere. If the above has pointed to anything, it's this: high energy. Something always going on and a certain rhythm. Given the importance of the Amazon, a jungle with a stream going through it would be nice to included, but it will be tough in that small plot. Perhaps by the back while the front will take a more modern approach. It definitely needs a Bahia section! And the Caballeros should be moved here with Coco taking over Mexico. The fact that Mexico was featured in the D23 model of new things and the prominent guitar makes me hopeful. Disney + is about to open every film year round and there's new shows. Push the Caballeros.

This can be good even without a ride... although you can still bring one in in a Phase 2.

Agreed!!

Meeting place where people have fun and enjoy each other...would be anywhere.
We party for no reason.
But they could add a carnaval element or a themed quick service?!
Kind of like what they did with Mardi gras at one of the resorts.

Can attest Brazilian food is amazing and if they serve feijoada (the national dish of a pork and black bean stew served with rice, farofa, and collar greens on the side), they would automatically have my vote as my favorite food place.

The atmosphere could be incredible! Add elements from Rio, São Paulo, and Bahia here and there.
Very beautiful cities! For different reasons. Brazil is wide and diverse with each state having it's own culture and traditions.

And music? Totally! I would love that! Samba, boss nova, sertaneja! Music is in our blood. Its a staple.


And ,yes, please? PLEASE, move the caballeros to Brazil? They are my favorite Disney characters.
José is still pretty popular here.

 

[PorterRedkey]

That is one possible reason, for sure.

I was just wondering if @PorterRedkey was able to share a reason for his statement. Rightly or wrongly, I felt like it was said with a purpose. He may not be able to share though, which is fine.

Which statement?

There is some doubt about whether Brazil will be announced today. I’m not saying it won’t. I don’t know either way for sure. I was shocked, but now multiple people I know are saying it’s not 100% go for the announcement. Take that for what you will.

If they don’t announce it, could we get an Imagination or even a moved up Sea reimagining? They are both featured on the white, Epcot model at D23 along with GotG and Rat.

I’m looking forward to the panel. It could be great or it could suck, but like most things it’ll probably be somewhere in between.

 

[Princess Leia]

The appropriateness of your name to your speech is astounding

I too love information and the organization of it. But... I feel as if the metrics of this exercise aren't representative of the true quality of a pavilion. But I find in the complaints over the last dozen pages or so that people are looking at this in similarly flat terms. "If it doesn't have an attraction, it isn't worth anything. Why build the pavilion?"

There are many things that dictate the quality of a pavilion besides rides, although some of them are quite subjective. To me, the ratings of the pavilions have historically been as such:

Japan
Morocco
China
France
The United Kingdom
Mexico
Germany
Norway
Canada
The American Adventure
Italy

Italy is the worst to me because before the Via Napoli expansion it always seemed unfinished. There was one big building. And one small one with a fountain and forest on the edge. The restaurant is often not at the top of people's ratings for Italian food, and is the primary attraction. The area on the lagoon is nice, but there's not much there. The addition is just another restaurant. The shops don't seem to have much of interest. I admit, though, that it's been some time and I'm struggling to remember what they had besides Venitian masks, wine, soccer uniforms, and balls. There are no characters and I'm not sure where the show is right now because I know cuts and changes were made.

Japan's Mitsukoshi department store is huge and has an extremely diverse amount of products that give a complex view of the culture of its nation. As I write this I'm realizing the stark difference between wares of the pavilions sponsored by shops and the pavilions sponsored by restaurants. But back to the point, the pearl counter practically serves as its own show. I never leave without trying something at the sake bar. The employees are a joy! They manage to take customer service above the Disney standard while also having fun. The gardens are beautiful and provide small places to explore, nature to watch. There is beautiful craftsmanship and the show fills the air with music that helps take you to the place as opposed to taking you out of it. And that doesn't cover the museum, which I've honestly never visited because I always seem to miss the entrance. I'm not 100% sure where it is.

I suppose the things I consider important in a World Showcase pavilion are as such:

- Immersion and corners to explore and disappear
- Representation of the culture of the nation
- Interesting and varied options

China has some beautiful sights, although the pavilion has a rather straightforward layout of just one pathway to the left with a shop and restaurant. But I rate it highly just because of the fact that it has perhaps my favorite place in the world. A pathway goes through the center of the little pond to the Temple of Heaven, but there's a smaller pathway that goes to the right. It's almost abandoned, with just a few benches and at one time drop-off for the interactive game. You can sit there and enjoy the serene calm of the pond before you, listen to the plinking of the soundtrack and the rush of water as the beautiful buildings raise up before you.

Morocco is a work... of... art. Literally, I suppose, but it's a wonder to behold.

Canada... I agree that Canada needs so much more. It doesn't even have a quick-service location!!! There's essentially a small shop, the restaurant, and the film. It wasn't until recently that I found out that the top is meant to be a queue for the film. I thought it was just entered through the gardens. Seeing pictures of pathway through the mountain confused me, since I didn't know where they were. This, I think, is indicative of what people think of when they compare this to Disney Springs. The Canadian pavilion *is* Le Cellier and Northwest Mercantile. The gardens are nice, but not really displayed as an attraction like they could. People talk about wanting Germany to get its boat ride, but can we get a flume ride for Canada?

Meanwhile, Mexico is beautiful and the indoor look is so unique. It suffers a little bit from the giant restaurant they plopped on the outside cutting what is there off from the lagoon. I didn't personally like this restaurant and I've never heard anything positive about San Angel Inn. But La Cava is incredible, but overcrowded. And then there's Gran Fiesta Tour. It's... a bit of a step down. The story is silly and it took away from Rio del Tiempo's attempt to teach about the place. It could do both, but it doesn't. It tries to portray a high-energy experience, but the plodding boat ride doesn't mix well with this, instead leaving you watching the same loop multiple times. As a partial Puerto Rican, I grew up with my clamshell of the Three Caballeros on the shelf alongside West Side Story, Mambo Kings, and La Bamba. I love them, but this was a quick bandage job. You wouldn't give Tiki Room: New Management 5 points towards its home.

So... Is Brazil useful without an attraction? Of course! How can it be?

1. The people. I mentioned the cast members at Mitsukoshi and people always talk about being careful not to get caught up trying to drink around the world by the barmaids at Germany. And who can forget Carl? If the cast members are gregarious and full of personality, which is something I've often seen the country be remarked for in the past, it would be a boon.

2. The music. They need a band like Mo Rockin' and Off Kilter. Something loud and showy that will take over the pavilion like the drums of Japan. Catch people's attention and draw them in.

3. The food. The pork belly was tied for my entire family's favorite dish at the Food and Wine festival. Have several options. The signature option to give you high-quality, culturally accurate high cuisine. The lower table-service Brazilian steakhouse with huge capacity. A quick service and at least one food cart along with one or two drink carts. Fill the air with the smell. Have unique treats that people will dream of coming back to like the shortbread cookies at Karamel Kuche or the Schoolbread at Kringla! Perhaps include a lounge similar to the Rose and Crown. I don't know if there is anything in Brazilian culture that could act as a parallel, a gathering place where people come together to have a good time. Have some kind of lounge with friendly cast members and perhaps a musical act inside to get everyone going, whether it be passionate and high-energy like the main one or a soulful Astrud Gilberto-style singer with some chill bossa nova when she's on break. Make it an experience.

4. The wares. Make the shops interesting. I don't know enough to know what things would be in a Brazilian shop besides yellow jerseys and blue shorts, but there definitely has to be an instrument shop. Include a cast members working there who knows how to play them and occasionally does so, showing the guests how, drawing people in, and adding to the atmosphere of the pavilion. Speaking of which...

5. The atmosphere. If the above has pointed to anything, it's this: high energy. Something always going on and a certain rhythm. Given the importance of the Amazon, a jungle with a stream going through it would be nice to included, but it will be tough in that small plot. Perhaps by the back while the front will take a more modern approach. It definitely needs a Bahia section! And the Caballeros should be moved here with Coco taking over Mexico. The fact that Mexico was featured in the D23 model of new things and the prominent guitar makes me hopeful. Disney + is about to open every film year round and there's new shows. Push the Caballeros.

This can be good even without a ride... although you can still bring one in in a Phase 2.

I appreciate your opinion (though I dislike how low American Adventure is for you ). My list was in no way truly correct, since like you, I enjoy pursuing the shops in Germany and Japan. I just know they could be better with the addition of some kind of permanent attraction (that isn’t a M&G) that they were meant to have all along.

Agreed!!

Meeting place where people have fun and enjoy each other...would be anywhere.
We party for no reason.
But they could add a carnaval element or a themed quick service?!
Kind of like what they did with Mardi gras at one of the resorts.

Can attest Brazilian food is amazing and if they serve feijoada (the national dish of a pork and black bean stew served with rice, farofa, and collar greens on the side), they would automatically have my vote as my favorite food place.

The atmosphere could be incredible! Add elements from Rio, São Paulo, and Bahia here and there.
Very beautiful cities! For different reasons. Brazil is wide and diverse with each state having it's own culture and traditions.

And music? Totally! I would love that! Samba, boss nova, sertaneja! Music is in our blood. Its a staple.


And ,yes, please? PLEASE, move the caballeros to Brazil? They are my favorite Disney characters.
José is still pretty popular here.

@Pinkpearl I was literally about to ask what you would want in a Brazilian pavilion, since you have way more insight in this as someone from Brazil. I appreciate your opinions on this!

What would be popular shop items? Also, are our ideas of Brazilian steakhouses (lots and lots of meat) correct, or is that what Americans think Brazilian food is like?

 

[Touchdown]

I appreciate your opinion (though I dislike how low American Adventure is for you ). My list was in no way truly correct, since like you, I enjoy pursuing the shops in Germany and Japan. I just know they could be better with the addition of some kind of permanent attraction (that isn’t a M&G) that they were meant to have all along.



@Pinkpearl

What would be popular shop items? Also, are our ideas of Brazilian steakhouses (lots and lots of meat) correct, or is that what Americans think Brazilian food is like?

I’ve been to Brazil, steakhouses are amazing, over there not only do you get multiple cuts of beef but also dishes you don’t expect (gator, snake)

 

[Mike S]

Okay, I'm going to start off with my criteria for this:

• Ride- 5 points
• Film- 4 points
• Guardians of the Galaxy Mixtape Live/whatever band is playing across American Adventure- 3 points
• Smaller live acts- 2.5 points
• Meet & Greet- 2 points
• Table Service Restaurant- 1 point
• Quick Service- .5 point
• Snack or Bar- .25 point
• Shop- .1 point

This is what the World Showcase in 2019 looks like (pretend that O Canada and Regal Eagle are already open)

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And this is what it will potentially look like in 2022 (I'm obviously guessing with Brazil):
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How does today compare to the future?
2019

1. Mexico (15.5)
2. France (14.05)
3. China (12.95)
4. USA (12.85)
5. Norway (11.2)
6. Morocco (9.5)
7. United Kingdom (9.35)
8. Japan (8.45)
9. Canada (7.95)
10. Germany (6.9)
11. Italy (5.3)

2022

1. France (23.3)
2. Mexico (15.5)
3. United Kingdom (14.4)
4. China (12.95)
5. USA (12.85)
6. Norway (11.2)
7. Morocco (9.5)
8. Japan (8.45)
9. Canada (7.95)
10. Germany (6.9)
11. Italy (5.3)
12. Brazil (4.45?)

So, what will change? For starters, the UK jumps from 7 to 3, just by adding a ride. France will pass Mexico and become the undisputed #1 of the World Showcase with the additions of the Beauty and the Beast singalong and the Ratatouille ride.

The Germany-Brazil-Italy block will arguably be the least developed of the bunch. For being the first country added in decades, Brazil should be getting a lot more than what we're expecting it to get (zero attractions). Germany and Italy should both be further developed as well (I rarely spend any time in the Italian pavilion, just because there isn't as much to do). Germany should receive the ride it is due, and Italy could have a smaller exhibit of sorts, like a Roman ruins gallery OR a mock Roman ruins area in the back for kids to play on (I have no idea what this would look like, I'm just trying to come up with something original). Canada should have an additional restaurant (QS poutine) and Japan should receive its show or ride. Japan, China, and the US currently have the same number of things to do, but because 5/9 things in Japan are food, it ranks lower, whereas China and the US have attractions.

The appropriateness of your name to your speech is astounding

I too love information and the organization of it. But... I feel as if the metrics of this exercise aren't representative of the true quality of a pavilion. But I find in the complaints over the last dozen pages or so that people are looking at this in similarly flat terms. "If it doesn't have an attraction, it isn't worth anything. Why build the pavilion?"

There are many things that dictate the quality of a pavilion besides rides, although some of them are quite subjective. To me, the ratings of the pavilions have historically been as such:

Japan
Morocco
China
France
The United Kingdom
Mexico
Germany
Norway
Canada
The American Adventure
Italy

Italy is the worst to me because before the Via Napoli expansion it always seemed unfinished. There was one big building. And one small one with a fountain and forest on the edge. The restaurant is often not at the top of people's ratings for Italian food, and is the primary attraction. The area on the lagoon is nice, but there's not much there. The addition is just another restaurant. The shops don't seem to have much of interest. I admit, though, that it's been some time and I'm struggling to remember what they had besides Venitian masks, wine, soccer uniforms, and balls. There are no characters and I'm not sure where the show is right now because I know cuts and changes were made.

Japan's Mitsukoshi department store is huge and has an extremely diverse amount of products that give a complex view of the culture of its nation. As I write this I'm realizing the stark difference between wares of the pavilions sponsored by shops and the pavilions sponsored by restaurants. But back to the point, the pearl counter practically serves as its own show. I never leave without trying something at the sake bar. The employees are a joy! They manage to take customer service above the Disney standard while also having fun. The gardens are beautiful and provide small places to explore, nature to watch. There is beautiful craftsmanship and the show fills the air with music that helps take you to the place as opposed to taking you out of it. And that doesn't cover the museum, which I've honestly never visited because I always seem to miss the entrance. I'm not 100% sure where it is.

I suppose the things I consider important in a World Showcase pavilion are as such:

- Immersion and corners to explore and disappear
- Representation of the culture of the nation
- Interesting and varied options

China has some beautiful sights, although the pavilion has a rather straightforward layout of just one pathway to the left with a shop and restaurant. But I rate it highly just because of the fact that it has perhaps my favorite place in the world. A pathway goes through the center of the little pond to the Temple of Heaven, but there's a smaller pathway that goes to the right. It's almost abandoned, with just a few benches and at one time drop-off for the interactive game. You can sit there and enjoy the serene calm of the pond before you, listen to the plinking of the soundtrack and the rush of water as the beautiful buildings raise up before you.

Morocco is a work... of... art. Literally, I suppose, but it's a wonder to behold.

Canada... I agree that Canada needs so much more. It doesn't even have a quick-service location!!! There's essentially a small shop, the restaurant, and the film. It wasn't until recently that I found out that the top is meant to be a queue for the film. I thought it was just entered through the gardens. Seeing pictures of pathway through the mountain confused me, since I didn't know where they were. This, I think, is indicative of what people think of when they compare this to Disney Springs. The Canadian pavilion *is* Le Cellier and Northwest Mercantile. The gardens are nice, but not really displayed as an attraction like they could. People talk about wanting Germany to get its boat ride, but can we get a flume ride for Canada?

Meanwhile, Mexico is beautiful and the indoor look is so unique. It suffers a little bit from the giant restaurant they plopped on the outside cutting what is there off from the lagoon. I didn't personally like this restaurant and I've never heard anything positive about San Angel Inn. But La Cava is incredible, but overcrowded. And then there's Gran Fiesta Tour. It's... a bit of a step down. The story is silly and it took away from Rio del Tiempo's attempt to teach about the place. It could do both, but it doesn't. It tries to portray a high-energy experience, but the plodding boat ride doesn't mix well with this, instead leaving you watching the same loop multiple times. As a partial Puerto Rican, I grew up with my clamshell of the Three Caballeros on the shelf alongside West Side Story, Mambo Kings, and La Bamba. I love them, but this was a quick bandage job. You wouldn't give Tiki Room: New Management 5 points towards its home.

So... Is Brazil useful without an attraction? Of course! How can it be?

1. The people. I mentioned the cast members at Mitsukoshi and people always talk about being careful not to get caught up trying to drink around the world by the barmaids at Germany. And who can forget Carl? If the cast members are gregarious and full of personality, which is something I've often seen the country be remarked for in the past, it would be a boon.

2. The music. They need a band like Mo Rockin' and Off Kilter. Something loud and showy that will take over the pavilion like the drums of Japan. Catch people's attention and draw them in.

3. The food. The pork belly was tied for my entire family's favorite dish at the Food and Wine festival. Have several options. The signature option to give you high-quality, culturally accurate high cuisine. The lower table-service Brazilian steakhouse with huge capacity. A quick service and at least one food cart along with one or two drink carts. Fill the air with the smell. Have unique treats that people will dream of coming back to like the shortbread cookies at Karamel Kuche or the Schoolbread at Kringla! Perhaps include a lounge similar to the Rose and Crown. I don't know if there is anything in Brazilian culture that could act as a parallel, a gathering place where people come together to have a good time. Have some kind of lounge with friendly cast members and perhaps a musical act inside to get everyone going, whether it be passionate and high-energy like the main one or a soulful Astrud Gilberto-style singer with some chill bossa nova when she's on break. Make it an experience.

4. The wares. Make the shops interesting. I don't know enough to know what things would be in a Brazilian shop besides yellow jerseys and blue shorts, but there definitely has to be an instrument shop. Include a cast members working there who knows how to play them and occasionally does so, showing the guests how, drawing people in, and adding to the atmosphere of the pavilion. Speaking of which...

5. The atmosphere. If the above has pointed to anything, it's this: high energy. Something always going on and a certain rhythm. Given the importance of the Amazon, a jungle with a stream going through it would be nice to included, but it will be tough in that small plot. Perhaps by the back while the front will take a more modern approach. It definitely needs a Bahia section! And the Caballeros should be moved here with Coco taking over Mexico. The fact that Mexico was featured in the D23 model of new things and the prominent guitar makes me hopeful. Disney + is about to open every film year round and there's new shows. Push the Caballeros.

This can be good even without a ride... although you can still bring one in in a Phase 2.

Good points but I’m also someone that prefers attractions and think Brazil should definitely have one. I’d love an Amazon boat ride. Maybe show how people live along the river.

Also, Leia, those spreadsheets are insane lol. I got curious after seeing this guys really long post and deciding to finally give it a read since I’ve got nothing better to do right now besides sit and wait for the parks panel.

Oh I also love American Adventure. Fantastic show.

 

[nickys]

Which statement?

There is some doubt about whether Brazil will be announced today. I’m not saying it won’t. I don’t know either way for sure. I was shocked, but now multiple people I know are saying it’s not 100% go for the announcement. Take that for what you will.

If they don’t announce it, could we get an Imagination or even a moved up Sea reimagining? They are both featured on the white, Epcot model at D23 along with GotG and Rat.

I’m looking forward to the panel. It could be great or it could suck, but like most things it’ll probably be somewhere in between.

Ah, OK.

It was this one, and I thought you’d heard something definitive. No worries!

It’s coming, but it might not be announced tomorrow.

I really hope it is. As someone said (my apologies, I forget who and where, even), if would put an end to the endless “Is it true?” and “They’ve been saying that for years” speculation.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

Agreed!!

Meeting place where people have fun and enjoy each other...would be anywhere.
We party for no reason.
But they could add a carnaval element or a themed quick service?!
Kind of like what they did with Mardi gras at one of the resorts.

Can attest Brazilian food is amazing and if they serve feijoada (the national dish of a pork and black bean stew served with rice, farofa, and collar greens on the side), they would automatically have my vote as my favorite food place.

The atmosphere could be incredible! Add elements from Rio, São Paulo, and Bahia here and there.
Very beautiful cities! For different reasons. Brazil is wide and diverse with each state having it's own culture and traditions.

And music? Totally! I would love that! Samba, boss nova, sertaneja! Music is in our blood. Its a staple.


And ,yes, please? PLEASE, move the caballeros to Brazil? They are my favorite Disney characters.
José is still pretty popular here.

The food has been mentioned frequently, but besides instruments, what kind of unique items can be sold in the shop? Think Germany's crystal, bears, and steins, Japan's kimonos, tea sets, and gis, Mexico's wooden sculptures, salsas, and leather, or Morocco's tagines, lanterns, and rugs. I'm noticing the fact that I can instantly remember these parts of the identity of these pavilions show how I rate them. XD

And is there a part of Brazilian culture that can work as a lounge? Like how the UK's pub or the upcoming US smokehouse are part of theirs.

I appreciate your opinion (though I dislike how low American Adventure is for you ). My list was in no way truly correct, since like you, I enjoy pursuing the shops in Germany and Japan. I just know they could be better with the addition of some kind of permanent attraction (that isn’t a M&G) that they were meant to have all along.

The show is great, but the theatre is ill-fitting with the theme and closes it off from the lagoon, the food options are currently lackluster when so much can be done, and the shopping options are near nil. The show's impressiveness is the only reason it's rated as high as it is. Of course, this is understanding given they originally didn't even want to include an American pavilion, but it still suuuuuuuucks.

 

[Princess Leia]

Good points but I’m also someone that prefers attractions and think Brazil should definitely have one. I’d love an Amazon boat ride. Maybe show how people live along the river.

Also, Leia, those spreadsheets are insane lol. I got curious after seeing this guys really long post and deciding to finally give it a read since I’ve got nothing better to do right now besides sit and wait for the parks panel.

Oh I also love American Adventure. Fantastic show.

It’s where my mind wandered to after a couple of days at work where I didn’t have much to do lol. Glad it gave you something to do this morning

Last year, I made a point of showing my newbie WDW friends Morocco. We’d spent time in Mexico and Norway, but ended up back in FW to do some rides (our friends had gotten married that morning, so we didn’t have time to do FW then). Marrakesh was booked for dinner, but we had a great time at Spice Road, and afterwards, I took them into the pavilion.
They were floored. They loved every little detail of it all. One of them bought a lamp in one of the shops. So while I know I have Morocco ranked in the lower half due to its lack of attractions, I know that my list isn’t perfect, simply because of the time you can spend wandering in and around shops (though you can do the same thing at Disney springs, which is free).

Except Italy. With all of the history and culture in Italy, that pavilion really should be better.

 

[Mike S]

It’s where my mind wandered to after a couple of days at work where I didn’t have much to do lol. Glad it gave you something to do this morning

Last year, I made a point of showing my newbie WDW friends Morocco. We’d spent time in Mexico and Norway, but ended up back in FW to do some rides (our friends had gotten married that morning, so we didn’t have time to do FW then). Marrakesh was booked for dinner, but we had a great time at Spice Road, and afterwards, I took them into the pavilion.
They were floored. They loved every little detail of it all. One of them bought a lamp in one of the shops. So while I know I have Morocco ranked in the lower half due to its lack of attractions, I know that my list isn’t perfect, simply because of the time you can spend wandering in and around shops (though you can do the same thing at Disney springs, which is free).

Except Italy. With all of the history and culture in Italy, that pavilion really should be better.

Yes Italy definitely needs something. One of my favorites here in Disneyland is Pinocchio so maybe we can get that (or a new version) since Disney only wants to use IP these days lol. The classic fan in me would say an epic ride about Rome though.