One-off, and part of the story.1995
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News Bob Iger is back! Chapek is out!!
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Incomudro
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Yeah, certainly not part of an overall ugly trend like we see now.One-off, and part of the story.
_caleb
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It seems to me like the biggest difference between Iger and Chapek comes down to approaches to decision-making.
Iger always liked to have lots of plans–some of them amazing, others terrible–and then work towards each of them in a cautious sort of way, asking for feedback and input before taking the next step towards whatever the goal of a specific project might be. At any given point in a project, he'd be willing to adapt or incorporate ideas from a different plan. The end result may have been something unpopular, but it was done in a way that was at least informed (or felt informed) by creative, technical, and management folks.
Chapek, on the other hand, seemed less artful in his approach. He seemed like the type to pick a plan (many were originally Iger's) and push through without any real assessment or evaluation along the way. He did not seek input from creatives, he was not open to adjustment according to circumstances, public perception, or trends. And this during the pandemic! In the end, it seems people across the company felt frustrated and bullied.
I think this is why Iger keeps going on about "listening to creatives."
Iger always liked to have lots of plans–some of them amazing, others terrible–and then work towards each of them in a cautious sort of way, asking for feedback and input before taking the next step towards whatever the goal of a specific project might be. At any given point in a project, he'd be willing to adapt or incorporate ideas from a different plan. The end result may have been something unpopular, but it was done in a way that was at least informed (or felt informed) by creative, technical, and management folks.
Chapek, on the other hand, seemed less artful in his approach. He seemed like the type to pick a plan (many were originally Iger's) and push through without any real assessment or evaluation along the way. He did not seek input from creatives, he was not open to adjustment according to circumstances, public perception, or trends. And this during the pandemic! In the end, it seems people across the company felt frustrated and bullied.
I think this is why Iger keeps going on about "listening to creatives."
I hope he brings back Elvis and Tupac from the dead!
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Inspired Figment
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Lovely.. though my point was less about the quality of the new shorts.. and moreso how an entire era of Modern Mickey’s history has been erased/intentionally isn’t discussed & has been rewritten to be that under past management he became “soulless”when that simply isn’t true. Reread all my posts carefully. But I’d be happy to join the discussion.Seems this thread got a little off topic, so I started a thread in the Disney Movies, Animation, TV, and Disney+ forum to talk about the art direction, style, and writing of the current World of Mickey shorts.
@donaldtoo, @LittleBuford, @Elijah Abrams, @Pancho, @Inspired Figment, @DisneyHead123, @Skywise, and anyone else who might be interested, I’d love talk more about which Mickey design is the best (and why it’s the Paul Rudish one) over here:
Mickey Shorts Animation and Style
It’s hard to believe the Paul Rudish-produced Mickey Mouse shorts were launched ten years ago! The art style—especially the visual designs and personalities of the fab five—have always been polarizing. Some saw these versions as throwbacks to the originals from the 30s and 40s, with Mickey being...forums.wdwmagic.com
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Like a revamped Captain EO with animatronics? shudder
JoeCamel
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Holograms of all three moonwalking
To be fair, Legend of the Three Caballeros' animation was also pretty stiff and tweened in terms of movement compared to DuckTales 2017 and Mickey Mouse 2013 where they are far more fluid in movement.Ducktales 2017 by comparison is better at not being so obnoxious. The character designs are just as bland as the Mickey shorts, but they thankfully usually refrain from using the Ren and Stimpy expressions. That said, the background art in Ducktales 2017 is a huge drop off in quality from even Mickey. The colors and detail are as bland and basic as they can be. The original 1987 version blows it out of the water. The "flashy" character animation is also still present in Ducktales 2017.
There was a lesser known series from 2018 called Legend of the Three Caballeros that had an IMO much better and more classic visual style than either Mickey or Ducktales. It unfortunately didn't get much attention, at least in English speaking regions. I don't know if the series was actually any good from a story standpoint, but it certainly looks and animates a heck of a lot better than the others...
Could be either because Legend of the Three Caballeros is made at Disney Digital Network rather than Disney TVA like the other two or it could be a budget thing where it could look like classic Disney but be stiff and tweened in motion or take liberties but be far more fluid and smooth in motion like DuckTales 2017, Mickey Mouse 2013, and the Disney Junior Mickey shows.
TBF, Goofy's look in the Rudish Mickey shorts was supposed to be an homage to his original Dippy Dawg look from his early appearences.
Elijah Abrams
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Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess to when Iger will start to make even more changes to Disney since he has returned?
orky8
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What changes do you expect him to make - everything Chapek was doing were the things Iger put in motion, just without Iger's polish in presentation.
MrPromey
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He's started work on re-calibrating the power structure for studio output to bring it back closer to what it was before Chapek took over.
One of the first things Bob C. did was create a new division headed by a solid bean counter as boss that all creative executives in the studios had to report to and get approval from.
This was the big change that made him hated in Hollywood (prior to the Scar-Jo debacle).
Not the kind of change theme park fans want but one in the right direction for the creative longevity of the company, overall.
I'm not sure he'll get around to doing anything with the domestic parks we'll like in the two years he's got given how little he did in the 15 years he had prior but we'll see, I guess.
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Brer Panther
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Yeah, but Dippy Dawg wasn'tthat gross-looking.
_caleb
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PrinceCharming617
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It's all about the money honey. I think Bob Iger sabotaged Chapek so he could get his job back.
The company wanted his butt out the door. So he figured I'll put a bunch of bad things into production right before leaving. Then they'll blame baldy and beg for me to come back.
The company wanted his butt out the door. So he figured I'll put a bunch of bad things into production right before leaving. Then they'll blame baldy and beg for me to come back.
JoeCamel
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Bob the former now the latter was hard up for cash so he came back to get rich? I've got about a million shares of $DIS to show you....
lazyboy97o
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Bob Iger didn’t have to leave the first time. He could have just stayed if he wanted.