Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

[The Mom]

Why don’t you actually wait for the movie to release and you actually see it first? But maybe Tenoch Huerta is too fat for you, so maybe not?

Exactly. There is a difference between watching a trailer and thinking "That really doesn't appeal to me" versus thinking "That movie is terrible because xyz and listing the reasons why you probably won't like it and arguing that everyone else should agree"

The opposite is also true.

 

[Phicinfan]

Well I do agree with you there.

The xmen are coming along at the right time to infuse some new blood into MCU.

If…big IF…they just roll them out as they were meant to be. Make cyclops the alpha…make storm the dominant leader…make wolverine the animal…scare the crap out of us with Jean grey…use colossus…

Magneto is top 5 baddie of all time…don’t “reinvent” that.

Don't forget the rebuild of the Fantastic 4 also. I am hoping the don't do origin here like last Spiderman and just move forward with how they get integrated into MCU. Between X-men and FF you have a ton of ground you can cover, especially if we get Dr. Doom as well.

Just don’t do…the Lucasfilm “thing” with this. Stick to the plan.

I still think perhaps the best movie superhero character…save for maybe Heath ledger…is Alan Cummings night crawler in X2…
Something like that would be great again

He was a ton of fun, totally agree with you there.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Don't forget the rebuild of the Fantastic 4 also. I am hoping the don't do origin here like last Spiderman and just move forward with how they get integrated into MCU. Between X-men and FF you have a ton of ground you can cover, especially if we get Dr. Doom as well.

He was a ton of fun, totally agree with you there.

I have wondered for now decades about FF?

They can never seem to get it right…bad direction?, bad management?, bad stories?

Can’t get it right. I think maybe it just doesn’t translate to media? Possible.

Doom is top 5 baddies…no doubt. They need to knock that out of the park. Julian McMahon did a passable job. MCU needs better.

 

[Phicinfan]

I have wondered for now decades about FF?

They can never seem to get it right…bad direction?, bad management?, bad stories?

Can’t get it right. I think maybe it just doesn’t translate to media? Possible.

Doom is top 5 baddies…no doubt. They need to knock that out of the park. Julian McMahon did a passable job. MCU needs better.

I personally think its because all they focus on for the most part is how they have to handle their powers and focusing on powers and not on the team aspect and wanting to save the world. One reason I don't want an origin story and instead want the FF that goes out and kicks butt on evil and saves the world.

Add correct choices for roles, so the actual personalities fit, and I HOPE the MCU will do this right.

 

[erasure fan1]

I still think perhaps the best movie superhero character…save for maybe Heath ledger…is Alan Cummings night crawler in X2…
Something like that would be great again

I'll agree there. It might be the most underrated casting of a superhero ever.

 

[Jedijax719]

I go back and forth about whether I think T'Challa should have been recast. Sure, John David Washington (and others) could have made a great T'challa, depending on whether he or someone else could do the voice. However, I understand and am good with the decision not to do it. It's a tough call. They could have waited a few more years and then recast him. I also fully understand that there will be a LOT of people who just won't see the movie because Black Panther and T'Challa are synonomous (despite that others have had the mantle including Shuri). It's going to be tough. I hope that people who honestly and genuinely review the movie do so for its own merit and not for what they would want them to do about casting.

I will say, though, having a multiverse BP/T'Challa would have been the WORST and MOST ridiculous and insulting thing. Nobody from another universe would ever have the right or justification to take the thrown in this world. Give the mantle to Shuri, or Nakia, or Oyoke, or M'Baku and that is fine because they are all part of T'Challa's family (some literal and some figurative). Bring in a child of T'Challa who has been hidden and kept secret by Nakia while the snap happened to protect him. Whatever! But I am glad (assuming it does not ever happen) they aren't bringing in a multiverse T'Challa. Just wouldn't work!

Saw videos where the host talked about how Coogler didn't just lose his main actor, he lost a friend- a DEAR friend. We need to respect the Coogler will have poured his heart into this project in honor of his friend.

PLEASE take on Avengers: Secret War, Ryan, PLEASE do it! Make it happen Kevin!

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Given that Riri is a STEM genius, like Shuri, I would say she fits in just fine.

I would watch an entire film of the two of them nerding out in a lab together.

 

[Jedijax719]

As far as anyone trying to figure out how/why Riri fits into all of this, here's the thing. If Shuri becomes the Black Panther, SOMEONE has to head up her lab while she's a bit busy.

 

[Disney Irish]

If anyone paid attention to the end scenes of the first movie, its very possible they have already hinted at how/why they are going to introduce Riri in Wakanda Forever.

T'Challa and Shuri go to Oakland, CA. where they are to open the first Wakanda Outreach and Technology Center. Shuri will be heading up the technology and information exchange at the center. Riri could be attending some classes or go to a presentation at the center and becomes friends with Shuri and T'Challa who invites her back to Wakanda.

This could also be where they have T'Challa being killed, and thus why Riri ends up building the Ironheart suit to go after his killers. This would be almost mirroring Tony's story in Ironman where he builds the suit and goes after his captors. So it would poetic in a sense if they did that since Riri has always looked up to Tony in the comics.

Also to give a little more credence to the Oakland connection, the head writer for the Ironheart series Chinaka Hodge is from Oakland.

 

[Jedijax719]

Pre-sales have been pretty dismal for this (compared to top-tier MCU and the first BP). Much worse than No Way Home and DSMOM. They've been on par or less than Thor4. Chadwick's passing may have much more of an impact than some of us thought.

They need to ramp up marketing big time. Ticket sales with a suddenly dropped trailer won't cut it. They need to push TV spots, push it during televised sports events, put up highway billboards, webbrowser banners, and whatever else. This is a major event film. They need to market it as such. But ChEapek probably won't allow it.

 

[The Mom]

How much evidence do people need? I don't need to see Z, if I've already seen A through Y.

.... And Yes Tenoch Harris still doesn't look like Submariner.

 

[LSLS]

How much evidence do people need? I don't need to see Z, if I've already seen A through Y.

.... And Yes Tenoch Harris still doesn't look like Submariner.

Problem is you haven't seen A through Y. You've seen 2 minutes of a 2 hour 40 minute movie, and the character was on screen what, 2 seconds? You've seen a quarter of A and jumped to Z. You could be absolutely right the fit will be forced and not work, but I don't think there is any way to make that definitive a statement off a trailer that doesn't even really give a plot line. I honestly have little hope for this movie based on the first (pretty sure they are having similar time constraints issues the first one had, horray garbage CGI) and I feel like all this was thrown for a loop with how the one main actress was acting/statements she was making, but I'm not going to say thus character doesn't fit yet.

 

[Lucky Rabbit]

How much evidence do people need? I don't need to see Z, if I've already seen A through Y.

.... And Yes Tenoch Harris still doesn't look like Submariner.

Given the subtext of your post. I’m surprised you’re wasting this much energy on a movie you will never like.

You know nothing of the plot, but are upset with Ironheart’s appearance. You haven’t seen his performance, but you’re upset with Tenoch’s skin color and muscles. If your enjoyment was this dependent on arbitrary things? Just sit this one out. It will be ok.

 

[Jedijax719]

Can't wait to get the "Wakanda Forever: Art of the Movie" book (if there is one). I recently got the book for the first one digitally (it was like $500 for the hardcopy, $25 for the digital lol). It is AMAZING!!!

Also can't wait to get the score/soundtrack!

 

[Disney Irish]

I'm a Marvel fan, and have liked or loved every movie til Phase Four. Even the much maligned "Thor: The Dark World" was okay.

I know the plot, many people do and that part sounds really good. The things I don't like are Sub-Mariner's appearance and the fact they are shoehorning another character in. That doesn't belong in a Black Panther movie.

Really? You know the plot? The whole plot? Every beat of the plot? How so when its a well guarded secret within Marvel? Or is this another one of those things you've gotten from a Reddit or Youtube speculator that most likely ends up being wrong?

If you really know the plot, go ahead and share it in a spoiler tag and we'll see in about a month if you were right or not.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Pre-sales have been pretty dismal for this (compared to top-tier MCU and the first BP). Much worse than No Way Home and DSMOM. They've been on par or less than Thor4. Chadwick's passing may have much more of an impact than some of us thought.

They need to ramp up marketing big time. Ticket sales with a suddenly dropped trailer won't cut it. They need to push TV spots, push it during televised sports events, put up highway billboards, webbrowser banners, and whatever else. This is a major event film. They need to market it as such. But ChEapek probably won't allow it.

I’m curious how this will do at the box office, my guess is it’ll be an average Marvel movie but not the phenomenon the first was. I think people have underestimated just how big the press around the “first black superhero” movie was. This movie won’t have the free press the first did, Disneys going to have to pay to advertise this one.

As with all current Disney movies I’m also curious how D+ will factor in, personally I’ll be waiting to watch this for free on D+ just like I did Thor and all the other recent Disney movies.

 

[khlaylav]

I think that first weekend is going to be big because there will be a lot of people who want to see how the movie does without Chadwick. How it holds will be the big question.

 

[erasure fan1]

As with all current Disney movies I’m also curious how D+ will factor in, personally I’ll be waiting to watch this for free on D+ just like I did Thor and all the other recent Disney movies.

That could be the big X factor in all of this. As I had said earlier, there's a lot of things that could factor into this coming in around love and thunders box office. I know I most likely won't be seeing this at the theater. Especially since I know it will be on D+ not to far down the road. I'm guessing I can't be the only one who feels that way.

 

[doctornick]

As an aside regard Namor’s “ethnicity” I always thought in the comics that he looked “Mediterranean” for lack of a better word. Perhaps influenced by the idea of Atlantis being a Greek myth. I never particularly thought he looked East Asian until recent years when I saw people online wishcasting the role and suggesting Asian actors. I think it’s fairly arbitrary anyway as Namor looks different when drawn by different artists.

 

[Jedijax719]