Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Phroobar

Phroobar

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Does it seem wrong they are milking the whole death of Chadwick Boseman in their advertising? "Come see our movie to help honor his memory." He was a fine actor. Outside of Marvel, he was in some decent smaller movies. Gods of Egypt, however, was terrible. It would have been nice to see what kind of actor he evolved into outside of Marvel.
 
Phicinfan

Phicinfan

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Phroobar said:
Does it seem wrong they are milking the whole death of Chadwick Boseman in their advertising? "Come see our movie to help honor his memory." He was a fine actor. Outside of Marvel, he was in some decent smaller movies. Gods of Egypt, however, was terrible. It would have been nice to see what kind of actor he evolved into outside of Marvel.
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I am pretty sure the death of the current Black Panther who was Wakanda's protector in a movie where Wakanda is being openly challenged by Atlantis and others is a key factor to raise don't you? It will drive the whole story of what can Wakanda do without its protector? I don't believe they are "milking it" for marketing.
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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Phicinfan said:
I am pretty sure the death of the current Black Panther who was Wakanda's protector in a movie where Wakanda is being openly challenged by Atlantis and others is a key factor to raise don't you? It will drive the whole story of what can Wakanda do without its protector? I don't believe they are "milking it" for marketing.
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Except if he didn't die, that wouldn't be the story. Unlike the Star Wars sequels, Marvel is suppose to be planning each of these phases years in advance. This is a case where they just pivoted to take advantage of the situation.
 
Phicinfan

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Phroobar said:
Except if he didn't die, that wouldn't be the story. Unlike the Star Wars sequels, Marvel is suppose to be planning each of these phases years in advance. This is a case where they just pivoted to take advantage of the situation.
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Again, lets review the reality. They had no knowledge per reports that this could happen, he died. All they did was pivot to a storyline that has happened in the comics where T'Challa was dead and was replaced. Some of you have to get over that not all the story lines must be the same actor forever. As much as a few are screaming they should have just recasted, there would be just as many screaming how could they recast him! MCU can't win in these cases
 
LSLS

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Phroobar said:
Except if he didn't die, that wouldn't be the story. Unlike the Star Wars sequels, Marvel is suppose to be planning each of these phases years in advance. This is a case where they just pivoted to take advantage of the situation.
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Yeah, I don't think "Take advantage of the situation" is the correct term. This is no advantage to them, they are in a much worse position. I think it's more "Trying to make do with a terrible situation."

I mean, I'm not entirely sure what you want here. If the king and Black Panther goes missing, I don't know how it couldn't be a major part of the storyline in some way. And honestly, I'm not sure they have really even milked it that much. You are correct, they have plans in place for a while. I have to imagine this was not part of the initial plans, so they are scrambling a bit to establish a new Black Panther to continue the storyline.
 
MisterPenguin

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Right from the introduction of Black Panther in the MCU we learned that "Black Panther" was a mantle that was passed down or had to be won through battle. And depending who was carrying that mantle, there were significant repercussions with regard to the choices they made.

So... it is absolutely 'canon' to expect a new person to become *the* Black Panther if the current one dies (or goes missing). So, there is no reason to replace T'Challa with a new actor like with the Bond movies. *The* Black Panther lives on without him in the person wearing the mantle. Just like it was passed from T'Challa's father to himself.

This isn't a gimmick devised to get around an actor's death. It is the way of Wakanda when the current Black Panther dies (or gets too old, in the case of T'Challa's father). It was established from the outset of Black Panther's introduction into the MCU.
 
Jedijax719

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I truly think that the basic story is basically very similar to what it would have been if Chadwick were hear. I can't say much, but from what I hear, the story's structure is very solid and already raises a lot of questions about the ramifications when an isolated nation opens up to the rest of the world. Due to the tragic loss, there is a very real-world added dimension to the dilemma- a world that has opened itself and its resources up to the world and has also lost its king and protector.

I've seen the plot. If the script/dialogue is on par with the first, this movie is going to be absolutely AMAZING!!! It could end up being one of the best MCU movies of all if not THE best. But it is going to depend on how several plotlines are juggled. If it was managed well (I have full faith in Coogler), it will not just be a great MCU film, but a great FILM period!
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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MisterPenguin said:
Right from the introduction of Black Panther in the MCU we learned that "Black Panther" was a mantle that was passed down or had to be won through battle. And depending who was carrying that mantle, there were significant repercussions with regard to the choices they made.

So... it is absolutely 'canon' to expect a new person to become *the* Black Panther if the current one dies (or goes missing). So, there is no reason to replace T'Challa with a new actor like with the Bond movies. *The* Black Panther lives on without him in the person wearing the mantle. Just like it was passed from T'Challa's father to himself.

This isn't a gimmick devised to get around an actor's death. It is the way of Wakanda when the current Black Panther dies (or gets too old, in the case of T'Challa's father). It was established from the outset of Black Panther's introduction into the MCU.
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Exactly. Hence the milking his death. They didn't have to do it.
 
Jedijax719

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Phroobar said:
Exactly. Hence the milking his death. They didn't have to do it.
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They had 3 choices:
1. Recast
2. Don't recast and don't acknowledge his passing
3. Don't recast and acknowledge his passing.

They're going with #3. It's not milking. It's sensitive and respectful. However, I can understand a sentiment where if they push only that in the marketing, it may appear as being insensitive. But they are not. They are marketing a lot of different aspects of the film.

All that said, I have still not seen any TV ads. My daughter watches Disney channel and they are pushing Strange World but nothing for BPWF. They pushed DSMoM and ThorL&T.
 
Disney Irish

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MickeyMouse10 said:
Marvel movies usually start strong, even if they're bad movies (like Dr. Strange 2 and Thor 4). Word of mouth will probably cause it to fizzle in later weeks though. Afterall it's hard to sell a Black Panther movie without T'Challa.
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Not sure why you keep posting stuff that is easily proven as being false.

Just like Captain America Black Panther is not a person its a mantle. And just like Captain America a mantle that has been used by others in both the comics and even the MCU. This has been explained by others. So yes you can market and sell a Black Panther movie without T'Challa, as shown in all the trailers. Because T'Challa, while a fan favorite character, has not and will not be the only Black Panther in the MCU.

The only question remains is whether Marvel will eventually recast T'Challa or not. Based on their current stance the answer is no, but it remains to be seen if that stance will change or not as the years pass.
 
Disney Irish

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Phroobar said:
Maybe.
Dealing would be just a new story, trailer and release.
Milking is multiple internet stories on it and interviews with cast before the thing is released.

For example: https://www.avclub.com/lupita-nyongo-black-panther-wakanda-forever-recasting-1849677247
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While I understand your opinion and the impression you get from these articles but I have to agree with others, this isn't Disney/Marvel milking it. Its rather them answering questions based on the interviewers questions on the topic. Its not like they are releasing statements on the topic. Its being asked a direct question on how they are handling Chadwick's death within the movie, and questions surrounding recasting. I mean what are they suppose to do, say sorry no comment?!? Of course not.

So yeah I don't see Disney/Marvel or the cast "milking" his death. They are just dealing with it based how on the 24-hour news cycle media frenzy is "milking" it.
 
MickeyMouse10

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Disney Irish said:
Not sure why you keep posting stuff that is easily proven as being false.

Just like Captain America Black Panther is not a person its a mantle. And just like Captain America a mantle that has been used by others in both the comics and even the MCU. This has been explained by others. So yes you can market and sell a Black Panther movie without T'Challa, as shown in all the trailers. Because T'Challa, while a fan favorite character, has not and will not be the only Black Panther in the MCU.

The only question remains is whether Marvel will eventually recast T'Challa or not. Based on their current stance the answer is no, but it remains to be seen if that stance will change or not as the years pass.
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Everything I have said is accurate... and my opinion. Just because you don't agree with it is not my problem. Stop reading my posts and commenting on them if you don't like it.
 
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MickeyMouse10

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I got to admit the outfits look pretty cool in this one. I'd like to go upto my neighbor dressed like the Wakandans and swing around a spear. "Mow your lawn or I'll be back."
 

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