News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

James Alucobond

Well-Known Member
iT WaS jUSt Fan COmMuNItiES….

Yes, members of the press attending the conference will write about it. Yes, Disney wants people to know about the announcements so that D23 is appealing and continues to sell out. People are paying for a look behind the curtain, and the inevitable result of that is that the information then becomes widely available.

If Universal Creative were an entity with as much marketable cultural cachet as Imagineering, they might monetize their creative process as well, but that’s also kind of irrelevant. The point being made is that the processes are not all that different; it’s just that more of the process has been exposed in one case, at the behest of an eager segment of the public.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
It also showed up on news feeds...

iT WaS jUSt Fan COmMuNItiES….

So what? It’s not John Q. Public that’s here kvetching over something that Disney has done for decades. Disney sold postcards with concept art for Thunder Mesa on it before Walt Disney World even opened. The first Disneyland fun map includes a version of New Orleans Square that was never built with a wax museum and thieve’s market, Edison Square and Liberty Street, which was even advertised in the park on a giant wall in the same spot that also advertised the never built International Street.
 
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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
They released it to a fan community that spends hours a day trying to suss out what they are working on. A fan community that knows about dozens of projects that never were but were shared, going back decades. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad sits on the site of one such project.
A fan community, who, when they *don't* get info about things in the works:
  • accuses Disney of having no plans and doing nothing
  • accuses Disney of having bad advertising skills and plans
  • accuses Disney of disrespecting their fans
  • accuses Disney of budget cutting things that were never budgeted to begin with
  • accuses Disney of incompetency by having problems getting things done as the reason for not filling us in on a project's status
  • accuses Disney of being evil incarnate (the anti-everything-Disney faction using this as a canard)
 

denyuntilcaught

Well-Known Member
Not sure why people are championing LESS information from WDI/Disney. As an adult you should be able to self regulate your expectations and your emotions about "What if" or "Blue Sky" information.
Well yes and no. Yes, people should absolutely second guess and manage expectations accordingly, but also brands have a responsibility to know how to deliver a message to their audience as well.

How many companies openly discuss "blue sky" projects with their audience in the largest forum possible, with the complete possibility that none of it comes to life?

Not many. Because that's what focus groups are for and is a complete misuse of what a forum like D23 is meant to deliver from a brand standpoint.
 

Starship824

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Well yes and no. Yes, people should absolutely second guess and manage expectations accordingly, but also brands have a responsibility to know how to deliver a message to their audience as well.

How many companies openly discuss "blue sky" projects with their audience in the largest forum possible, with the complete possibility that none of it comes to life?

Not many. Because that's what focus groups are for and is a complete misuse of what a forum like D23 is meant to deliver from a brand standpoint.
Exactly, it's the equivalent of Kevin Feige going to Comic Con and saying "We might make Endgame idk here's unfinished treatment"
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
Well yes and no. Yes, people should absolutely second guess and manage expectations accordingly, but also brands have a responsibility to know how to deliver a message to their audience as well.

How many companies openly discuss "blue sky" projects with their audience in the largest forum possible, with the complete possibility that none of it comes to life?

Not many. Because that's what focus groups are for and is a complete misuse of what a forum like D23 is meant to deliver from a brand standpoint.

I mean the news was they were going to expand MK and redo Dinoland. That was real and exciting.

They could have stopped there but we got some insight into WDI thinking. This allowed us to get a glimpse at potential Moana attractions which in turn gives us potential background into the rumored Adventureland update.

The MCU analogy is not a good one. The proper analogy is them showing a trailer a year out and some scenes were eventually cut or reshot.
 

Fox&Hound

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Not sure how I feel about Zootopia coming to DHS- it looks weak and its another trackless ride which is not needed in DHS. The only way I would approve if it came with some all-ages g
Flat rides that DHS desperately needs.

So curious about what happens in MK. I hope
Villains land comes to fruition but I still think DHS would be a good fit for it too.

Whatever happens in WDW I hope they remember to add smaller rides and experiences too. Not everything has to be an E-ticket. Even adding something like Universal’s HP wand experience or Nintedo power up bands woulds go a long way. But people dont want to play on their cell phones. Why is DIS moving away from these experiences (cancelation of Scorers) while Universal is moving toward them????
 

The Leader of the Club

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Exactly, it's the equivalent of Kevin Feige going to Comic Con and saying "We might make Endgame idk here's unfinished treatment"
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That’s almost exactly what happens at Marvel’s ComicCon panels. Unless I missed Inhumans, Ironheart, and Blade.
 

Starship824

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
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That’s almost exactly what happens at Marvel’s ComicCon panels. Unless I missed Inhumans, Ironheart, and Blade.
Well iron heart is a actually happening, yeah I admit that was a bad comparison now that you pointed that out. Either way I still don't think d23 is the right place to do blue sky talk. If you want to do that on say "We Call it Imagineering" fine but not at a convention stage. Or if you're going to do it at a convention stage, at least make it obvious and call it what it is instead of shoehorning it into the Park's announcement panel.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
I feel HS might win out with it (Cars already in the park, would overall be a good addition for it) but I feel confident in saying Racers is heading to WDW.

I'm leaning towards MK personally because of pessimism but I can 100% see it in HS and hope that's where it ends up.

Just keep an eye on any rumor involving it, and a certain 30+ year old TV show in regards to Studios right now.


But we're getting off topic. Coco from what I heard from every source, even ones clashing on Racers, says it's a flight sim. I ate up FoP so I'm happy with it ending up as that.
Dinosaurs coming to DHS?
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Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Big thunder and the WDW RR will probably be closed for the entirety it takes to build whatever they are trying to build in this beyond Big Thunder project.

How many years are we guessing they will be closed? 3 or 4 years maybe?
 

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