News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[SilentWindODoom]

This person was told this at a one-on-one meeting with a supervisor in WDI. They could say very little about anything. Just shared their opinion on the IP selection. They liked the Zootopia addition to Shanghai, so I bet that’s not it either.

The thing about Magic Kingdom is that there's four other parks. If something fits better in one of the other three parks better, it can easily be said it doesn't belong there. Thus I can see people say something fits well at Shanghai (or even objectively thing the land is cool) without thinking it fits well at Magic Kingdom. Especially when the Studios are aching for something like it.

Of course, you may know your source well enough or have more details in their praise to know whether or not that is possible. I also went back to read more exact words in the past, it was said it was an IP that didn't fit, but the quote didn't specify if it was in that location or the entire park. Did they specify that?

Looking back also sorta changed my entire post since it was originally leading to me making the dramatic realization that Zootopia seemed to fit perfectly like a Victorian detective in a crowded room at the end of the story... only to see you'd brought it up yourself as a likely possibility.

 

[Starship824]

So... Any idea when the permits will be filed for this? They said they about to file permits in April...

 

[Steamboat71]

Hey guys, any update on the Rivers of America?

 

[PREMiERdrum]

Hey guys, any update on the Rivers of America?

Safe, as it appears.

 

[Steamboat71]

Safe, as it appears.

Does this include the steamboat and TSI?

 

[doctornick]

This would present the perfect opportunity for the western river expedition

I really would love this. and I get that modern sensibilities might not approve of some of the concepts, but I think you could build a pretty cool WRE that is more centered on "exploring the west" than "conquering" (i.e. a "cowboy and Indians" type concept).

I mean some of the concepts would still be fine: Hoot Gibson (and owl) narrating and landscapes would be fine. I think stuff like a stagecoach/bank robbery could still work as long as the bandits are not ethnic caricatures. Basically need to avoid using Mexicans or Native Americans as antagonists.

I mean it will never happen, but it would definitely be something that would be a hit among park fans and historians.

 

[dreamfinding]

I really would love this. and I get that modern sensibilities might not approve of some of the concepts, but I think you could build a pretty cool WRE that is more centered on "exploring the west" than "conquering" (i.e. a "cowboy and Indians" type concept).

I mean some of the concepts would still be fine: Hoot Gibson (and owl) narrating and landscapes would be fine. I think stuff like a stagecoach/bank robbery could still work as long as the bandits are not ethnic caricatures. Basically need to avoid using Mexicans or Native Americans as antagonists.

I mean it will never happen, but it would definitely be something that would be a hit among park fans and historians.

Oh, it is most definitely a pipe dream. If the company wasn’t so hell-bent on IP, it would’ve made a wonderful replacement for Splash.

 

[Bocabear]

Oh, it is most definitely a pipe dream. If the company wasn’t so hell-bent on IP, it would’ve made a wonderful replacement for Splash.

can you even imagine... the Splash show building redressed like rock formations in Monument Valley...a large western saloon at the exit...it could have been really amazing. But....we have flailing arms Tiana, and a New Orleans based attraction in what was Frontierland... Time to redress the current Frontierland as a New Orleans Riverbend, and build an all new hyper immersive Frontierland, Beyond Thunder Mountain....

 

[dreamfinding]

can you even imagine... the Splash show building redressed like rock formations in Monument Valley...a large wester saloon at the exit...it could have been really amazing. But....we have flailing arms Tiana, and a New Orlean based attraction in what was Frontierland... Time to redress the current Frontirland as a New Orleans Riverbend, and build an all new hyper immersive Frontierland, Beyond Thunder Mountain....

Bocabear, I believe we are becoming friends

imagine all of the beautiful rock work that blends directly into big thunder. You could treat the land as a whole and not what feels like 3 separate areas.

But instead we have country bears singing Zootopia and a log flume ride that doesn’t seem to want to work.

 

[Skibum1970]

Bocabear, I believe we are becoming friends

imagine all of the beautiful rock work that blends directly into big thunder. You could treat the land as a whole and not what feels like 3 separate areas.

But instead we have country bears singing Zootopia and a log flume ride that doesn’t seem to want to work.

I think that the log flume liked being Splash and is rebelling against being Tiana.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

I think that the log flume liked being Splash and is rebelling against being Tiana.

EXACTLY! tragic!!! How true

 

[eddie104]

I hope permits are filed for this soon.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

A Primeval World for the railroad between Tomorrowland and Main Street, just like DL’s, would be the very least of concerns.

Another example of responding in the more relevant thread, especially since there was a call for focus in the thread this past posted in...

I think the area between the Fantasyland and Main Street stations has enough going on around to look at. The area in back, however... So much empty brush and forest representing "Fantasy". Going from Frontierland to the Grand Canyon (or perhaps going from whatever parts of this project interact with the railroad to the dioramas)
coming out at the circus.

 

[eddie104]

I hope they reconsider Radiator Springs Racers and the Woody ride, because, Cars is NOT a good fit for MK, and two, we don't need another TS ride, Buzz is just footsteps away in Tomorrowland and TSL is at MGM, and we don't need Woody and Jessie paired up for meet and greets at both MK and DHS, we don't need the same pairing at two parks at once by decade's end

Hopefully at the last minute, they'll change the footprint for the new land with the following:
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Yeah.., I'm aware that those blueprints aren't great and the riverboat would travel near the new area..(what about the Villain Mt part.., I think budgetary reasons would revoke it from the project)

Coco: pretty much all but confirmed
TNBC: Just to give Jack and the gang a long term home at WDW
Raya: A family coaster themed to the Awkwafina dragon
Elena of Avalor: Since the show and its title character is showing its legacy at MK years after the series concluded, I wouldn't be shocked if they're planning something new for the queen of Avalor at the parks as you can still find Elena at the Hall on the other side of the park(as of this writing)

Others:
A table service restaurant with a nice view of the nearby area
Character greeting trail(like at AK) where guests could potentially find characters like Miguel, Elena(in her signature outfit rather than her gown normally seen at PFTH), Raya, etc.
Maybe a gift shop

They would be a million times better than what WDI is actually planning on this land

We don’t what they are planning to be fair.

Coco is the one thing we know that might happen but not for certain.

 

[Nickm2022]

We don’t what they are planning to be fair.

Coco is the one thing we know that might happen but not for certain.

I hope they reconsider Radiator Springs Racers and the Woody ride, because, Cars is NOT a good fit for MK, and two, we don't need another TS ride, Buzz is just footsteps away in Tomorrowland and TSL is at MGM, and we don't need Woody and Jessie paired up for meet and greets at both MK and DHS, we don't need the same pairing at two parks at once by decade's end

Hopefully at the last minute, they'll change the footprint for the new land with the following:
View attachment 792727View attachment 792728View attachment 792729

Yeah.., I'm aware that those blueprints aren't great and the riverboat would travel near the new area..(what about the Villain Mt part.., I think budgetary reasons would revoke it from the project)

Coco: pretty much all but confirmed
TNBC: Just to give Jack and the gang a long term home at WDW
Raya: A family coaster themed to the Awkwafina dragon
Elena of Avalor: Since the show and its title character is showing its legacy at MK years after the series concluded, I wouldn't be shocked if they're planning something new for the queen of Avalor at the parks as you can still find Elena at the Hall on the other side of the park(as of this writing)

Others:
A table service restaurant with a nice view of the nearby area
Character greeting trail(like at AK) where guests could potentially find characters like Miguel, Elena(in her signature outfit rather than her gown normally seen at PFTH), Raya, etc.
Maybe a gift shop

They would be a million times better than what WDI is actually planning on this land

What is WDI actually planning for this land? All we've heard are projects being considered, and no one has heard villains land is cancelled nor approved. Same with the River boat, it may go away but it may (and probably) won't. COCO is also still not confirmed rather just heavily rumored, and none of the permits have revealed stuff (besides BTM getting updates). I also doubt they'll ever do anything with Raya sadly, even though I think she'd be a great fit for Animal Kingdom.

 

[James Alucobond]

What is WDI actually planning for this land? All we've heard are projects being considered, and no one has heard villains land is cancelled nor approved. Same with the River boat, it may go away but it may (and probably) won't. COCO is also still not confirmed rather just heavily rumored, and none of the permits have revealed stuff (besides BTM getting updates). I also doubt they'll ever do anything with Raya sadly, even though I think she'd be a great fit for Animal Kingdom.

People who claim to be in the know say disparate things, so assuming they all have actual sources, the simplest explanation is that plans are in flux, particularly beyond phase 1. Kind of just have to wait and see unless a singular narrative starts emerging.

 

[Nickm2022]

People who claim to be in the know say disparate things, so assuming they all have actual sources, the simplest explanation is that plans are in flux, particularly beyond phase 1. Kind of just have to wait and see unless a singular narrative starts emerging.

That's what I am assuming, to me it kinda seems like Coco, Cars, whatever else, you name it, are all multiple ideas that won't be approved until right near D23. I also assume Villains will just get a confirmation and construction won't start for years (if it happens at all)

 

[James Alucobond]

That's what I am assuming, to me it kinda seems like Coco, Cars, whatever else, you name it, are all multiple ideas that won't be approved until right near D23. I also assume Villains will just get a confirmation and construction won't start for years (if it happens at all)

I personally think Coco + Moana sounds the most solid and plausible for MK and will basically be ready to get underway when D23 rolls around. I think they will remain wholly blue sky on anything beyond that, maybe with slightly more defined artwork, but nothing official.

 

[Nickm2022]

I personally think Coco + Moana sounds the most solid and plausible for MK and will basically be ready to get underway when D23 rolls around. I think they will remain wholly blue sky on anything beyond that, maybe with slightly more defined artwork, but nothing official.

I agree, however I do think any "blue sky" going forward will actually happen, but would be more these plans are exact, but it's gonna look something like this and have these IP's instead of the last few years of blue sky which was how upset would you be if this is built and don't worry none of this is probably gonna happen anyway.

My bets are Moana in Adventureland, Coco as the first phase of BBTM, and IP confirmation/development of Villains and whatever else happens.

 

[doctornick]

I personally think Coco + Moana sounds the most solid and plausible for MK and will basically be ready to get underway when D23 rolls around. I think they will remain wholly blue sky on anything beyond that, maybe with slightly more defined artwork, but nothing official.

Yeah but Moana isn’t going to go in the BBTM area (it’s supposed to be in Adventureland)