RSoxNo1
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I would think docking the Riverboat across from Tiana's is a logical choice.
I also would disappoint the masses if I didn't suggest relocating it's a small world to close off that side of the Beyond Big Thunder loop.
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I also would disappoint the masses if I didn't suggest relocating it's a small world to close off that side of the Beyond Big Thunder loop.
JoeCamel
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Sticking up for family - Dom would be proud.......
GenChi
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People waited 4 hours to hug a guy in a purple dragon costume since it was the right theme. If this IP is truly as big as people are claiming it is people will go on a carousel just because it's lightly themed to it.
alphac2005
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You’ve nailed it. Villains Land has been talked about since 20,000 Leagues was still taking guests on board. It’s continued to be desired for all of this time and there are so many fantastic possibilities. It seems to be the antithesis of short sighted.
You had to go and mention 20K subs.
Gone but not forgotten. Can that go beyond Big Thunder? Maybe it's a Mexican Kraken.
Tha Realest
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Honest question:
Who has the more iconic villains?
Universal Monsters, or Disney Villains?
I honestly go back and forth on this.
The Universal monsters *feel* of the same era and place setting in a way that feels like they could exist in the same universe.
The House of Mouse Villains type team up may work for a made for tv film or a Kingdom Hearts game, but not sure how you could see it working in a thematically consistent land…
The irony is The Monsters have more depth. You often feel for them with Frankenstein or Creature From The Black Lagoon as they are misunderstood.
Wolfman is a victim of circumstance and has times to reason and is a transformation.
Dracula is a jerk of course and a true villainous role that is often the puppetmaster taking advantage of the others.
The Disney Villains are great and melodramatic archetypes to love to hate, but don't really work out of context without their great heroes facing them.
James Alucobond
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More often than not, Universal’s are essentially archetypes while Disney’s are characters. Dracula almost feels like a broad concept at this point, but there’s only “one” Ursula, live remake obsession aside.
TalkingHead
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That makes it sound even more like a narrative ploy than aiming for the fences. New stuff is welcome but this is the same company that’s specialized in chronically short and overhyped rides *with a few noticeable exceptions* over the past decade. Curious if anything reported would rival ROTR in terms of ambition.
BrianLo
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100 percent speculating - but I'm thinking the Pandora boat ride might for ambition. The confluence of Cameron and Iger's legacy along with having their "ROTR" guy on the project.
Though I assume you are talking about WDW? Maybe not, almost nothing rivals Rise in terms of scope, scale and spend. Even Mystic Manor, which is personally just as good in many ways, is totally a small scale experience by comparison. Shanghai Pirates ride itself is the only thing that aims for the fences like Rise did. Though Rise has the pre-ride experience dialled up to 100. Actually, maybe Cosmic Rewind deserves a slight nod.
Jenn Finan
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Oooo... my palms are getting sweaty. I love some great corp-speak!
This makes more sense to me. Or at least in addition to. Could be smorgasbord of spoopy and sinister villainy. It'd be like Kingdom Hearts with the classic, more iconic villains with bits and pieces borrowed from Freeform's "31 nights of Halloween" programming block. Hocus Pocus, Nightmare before Christmas. Heck even Monster's Inc would make the grade. Doesn't have to necessarily lean Halloween, but there's enough "there" in addition to the villains brand and their stories to make a solid land or park. :why not both meme:
Ichabod Crane
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I’m really tempted to go with the monsters here because they are effective the mascots for Halloween as a whole.
mickEblu
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Why is the current version of Frontierland problematic? What’s left that could possibly be deemed problematic? Because it’s a land themed to an Old Western town? Runaway mine cars? Is it just an offensive aesthetic because it might remind people of mid 20th century Americas fascination with Western movies and Cowboys and Indians? If so that’s pretty weak. What am I missing?
yensidtlaw1969
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Fantasyland isn't thematically consistent - it's just the place where many of the Disney Heroes seem to live, or play, or be. What reason do Peter Pan, Ariel, and Alice have to "pal around" in one area together other than that it creates a fun and satisfying guest experience?
I think some people here are really overthinking this. There are absolutely Villains Land concepts that could work effectively for a wide audience while also fitting the DNA of The Magic Kingdom.
Bleed0range
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This is precisely why I think it works so well for MK. It’s like the “dark” fantasyland. I loved someone’s idea of the fireworks show having different audio and visuals there. That could spread the crowds out for the show to two different places in the park.
yensidtlaw1969
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I meant to add when that was brought up, Disneyland has just implemented this exact idea with "Fire of the Rising Moons", where the visible Disneyland fireworks are given a Star Wars soundtrack that's only played in Galaxy's Edge, essentially creating a unique show for that land.
I would think this same idea could very easily (and perhaps quite successfully) be implemented in a Villains Land.
haveyoumetmark
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They can use Coco as many times as they want. “Wasting” it is kind of a silly way to look at it in my opinion. It’s not like they get 1 Coco ride. They can do whatever they want and it still won’t be a waste. In fact, it might be more of a wasted opportunity if they don’t use it as much as they can.
You’re making too much sense! What if DAK’s carousel represents a cultural nod to Alebrijes as brightly colored Mexican folk art with a Coco tie-in while the MK attraction represents something more like what we see and experience in the film and fantasy of Coco.
Alerbijes are a real part of culture irrespective of Coco. The Coco tie-in doesn’t make the carousel and MK experiences redundant. It’s like they might as well cut BBTM because they have folk art in the lobby of the Mexico EPCOT pavilion. Please be for real…
No room. That pavilion doesn’t need more attendance. It can’t handle the popularity of the 80-year old Three Caballeros… just imagine Coco.
As mentioned previously, MK is fantastical where DAK places more weight on realism. It’s the same difference between EPCOT Germany and Fantasyland, the EPCOT Outpost and DAK Africa, DHS Hollywood/Sunset BLVDs and Main Street USA, World Discovery and Tomorrowland. There are a ton of ways they can differentiate the lands and make them distinct.
I agree with this, but I think I’ll appreciate the thrill. Your post doesn’t mention FoP but that feels like Soarin 2.0 to me, and sometimes I feel like the only person who doesn’t care for it. Much prefer Soarin over California than Soarin over Pandora. Who knows… Soarin over Coco might best them all.
Well then you might want to be seated for what’s next LOL
It’s a strategic business operation chasing growth. Why don’t you look at American demographic trends as a start, extrapolate past 2050 and then go from there. Frozen is adequately represented in FL with planned expansion in CA and heavy representation globally.
I don’t think this matters. It depends how you measure what it means to be iconic. They are each iconic to different groups of people. I find them both to be super iconic in different ways. It’s not a superlative thing. There’s no right answer.
Bingo.
On a roll.
Ghost93
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Who says there aren't heroes in the villain land? I thought the entire idea is that WE the parkgoers would faceoff against the Disney villains in the attractions, and maybe the heroic characters from the movie might make a cameo to assist. But the idea is that the park guests are the heroes.