AVATAR land - the specifics

danlb_2000

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Casper Gutman said:
Is anyone on this forum representing themselves incorrectly as having gone on the rides? Or is everyone sharing opinions based on available evidence?
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I doubt anyone is claiming to have ridden it who hasn't, but there are people who have made very emphatic statements about the quality of the ride who are hard to take seriously if they haven't actually ridden it.
 
LuvtheGoof

LuvtheGoof

DVC Guru
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danlb_2000 said:
I doubt anyone is claiming to have ridden it who hasn't, but there are people who have made very emphatic statements about the quality of the ride who are hard to take seriously if they haven't actually ridden it.
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Just like all the people with emphatic statements about areas and attractions they have never personally seen or ridden. Seems to be the norm around here lately.
 
CTXRover

CTXRover

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UpDog71 said:
https://twitter.com/josh_m_solomon/status/859454344458108930

People at Cast Previews are loving it.
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Second time I've seen the comment about ' moved to tears'.....here is a follow-up where he felt it may rank as his favorite ride ever:

https://twitter.com/josh_m_solomon/status/859473642597568513


Few others I spotted which strongly suggest they really liked FOP (including phrases such as best ride ever, game changer, etc. )

https://twitter.com/danscoada/status/859461613421826048

https://twitter.com/DTBriana/status/859461454998761472

https://twitter.com/katieellynn/status/859449617527836672

https://twitter.com/ktlmccarty/status/859552135012274176

https://twitter.com/jacktalon/status/859543102247272452

https://twitter.com/AdriannaSekula/status/859594034200940544

https://twitter.com/vu1pixie/status/859764920224710661

https://twitter.com/presidentjulz/status/859780776916901888

https://twitter.com/JulieMHerrick/status/859790305993871360



Only time will tell if the general consensus continues to be so favorable....

**updated with a few others I found on Twitter by searching flight of passage
 
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flynnibus

flynnibus

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Batman said:
Reading some of the YouTube comments on the River Journey.... :facepalm:

Have we as a species devolved our attention spans so drastically, that it takes non-stop thrills, explosions, or being shaken up in front of simulators to keep us entertained? What is so wrong about a simple, slow-moving boat ride through forests..letting the detail & immersion do the work rather than having to always involve us as part of the experience? I don't need a sudden drop or a "You're the star" moment on every ride / attraction I go on. Sometimes a journey through a unique atmosphere with elaborate details is the only story needed.
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The build up of huge costs... huge waits... hightens expectations for guests. The hype machine combined with massive 'investment' of time/money makes things difficult to deliver on 'hidden gems' anymore. Only having two "rides" doesn't help either.

It's like people complaining there is nothing to do in DHS.. (because they won't goto the shows).
 
Jones14

Jones14

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flynnibus said:
The build up of huge costs... huge waits... hightens expectations for guests. The hype machine combined with massive 'investment' of time/money makes things difficult to deliver on 'hidden gems' anymore. Only having two "rides" doesn't help either.

It's like people complaining there is nothing to do in DHS.. (because they won't goto the shows).
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The problem with the shows is that they are A) well beyond their shelf lives and B) not up to Disney's standards. The only exception to B is possibly Fantasmic! if and only if you haven't heard of the other versions.

DHS would be fine (not great, but fine) without GMR if we had a replacement for Mermaid, show in the flex theatre, an enclosed BatB, and a port of Cali's Frozen show. It's not that there's not enough to do, it's that there's not enough to do that supports Disney's prestige and admission prices.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Jones14 said:
The problem with the shows is that they are A) well beyond their shelf lives and B) not up to Disney's standards. The only exception to B is possibly Fantasmic! if and only if you haven't heard of the other versions.

DHS would be fine (not great, but fine) without GMR if we had a replacement for Mermaid, show in the flex theatre, an enclosed BatB, and a port of Cali's Frozen show. It's not that there's not enough to do, it's that there's not enough to do that supports Disney's prestige and admission prices.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying about the shows as they stand.. but the argument is used even for those who aren't worn out on the shows.. they simply look at them as uninteresting to start and focus only on the moving attractions.
 
Jones14

Jones14

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flynnibus said:
I don't disagree with what you are saying about the shows as they stand.. but the argument is used even for those who aren't worn out on the shows.. they simply look at them as uninteresting to start and focus only on the moving attractions.
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Those people certainly do exist, but I think the greater issue even in that is that Disney did not listen to their customers for nearly 30 years when the park has routinely been slammed for lack of rides.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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RSoxNo1 said:
We discussed Na'vi River Journey capacity in the other thread but it's probably more appropriate here. Just some break downs of #s.

Navi River Journey
Assumes: 6 guests per vehicle
Dispatch intervals of a single boat:
15 seconds: 1440
20 seconds: 1080

Flight of Passage
4 theaters, each theater has 3 levels, each level has two groups (I think), each group has 16 link chairs. That's a total of 96 link chairs per theater and 384 link chairs total. With this being a cycle ride (like Soarin') we're looking at cycle time, not dispatch interval (technical it's the same thing). Do not confuse cycle time with ride time as cycle time includes load/unload as well.
Cycle times
8 minutes: 2880
9 minutes: 2560
10 minutes: 2304
11 minutes: 2095
12 minutes: 1920
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I'm seeing people say that each level has 16 (two groups of 8) not 32. This would mean a significantly lower capacity. Can anyone confirm how many link chairs are in each level or in each theater? It looks like it's either 48 per theater or 96 per theater. I'm inclined to think it's 48.
 
Rteetz

Rteetz

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RSoxNo1 said:
I'm seeing people say that each level has 16 (two groups of 8) not 32. This would mean a significantly lower capacity. Can anyone confirm how many link chairs are in each level or in each theater? It looks like it's either 48 per theater or 96 per theater. I'm inclined to think it's 48.
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Yeah it looks like it's two groups per level.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Casper Gutman said:
I'm fairly convinced RJ would have been better off with a wide collection of basic AAs rather then the single, admittedly amazing Shaman.
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I honestly applaud them pushing the technology and innovation again. Wall Street and many companies are always going for "safe". There are rare risks now.
And even if a lot of these risk moves end paying off (like for example, the gamble with GOTG)
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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Cesar R M said:
I honestly applaud them pushing the technology and innovation again. Wall Street and many companies are always going for "safe". There are rare risks now.
And even if a lot of these risk moves end paying off (like for example, the gamble with GOTG)
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Tech and innovation are great, but they need to take a back seat to the mood and story of the attraction. Disney has a tendency to go with bleeding-edge tech at the expense of actually making a fulfilling attraction - again, TT and M:S are classic examples and RoL is a more recent one.

Does the Shaman's fluidity further the story? In fact, does it make the ride better overall? I tend to think it doesn't - it exists for its own sake.

That isn't, of course, to say that that fluidity COULDN'T be used as part of a fully realized attraction. I'm just not sure it is here. Now that I think of it - is the Shaman more advanced then the AAs in Shanghai's Pirates? Her limbs are lankier and her movements more ostentatious and exaggerated, but I don't know that she is. In Pirates, however, the figures are much more in service to the attraction as a whole.
 
Bairstow

Bairstow

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Casper Gutman said:
Tech and innovation are great, but they need to take a back seat to the mood and story of the attraction. Disney has a tendency to go with bleeding-edge tech at the expense of actually making a fulfilling attraction - again, TT and M:S are classic examples and RoL is a more recent one.

Does the Shaman's fluidity further the story? In fact, does it make the ride better overall? I tend to think it doesn't - it exists for its own sake.

That isn't, of course, to say that that fluidity COULDN'T be used as part of a fully realized attraction. I'm just not sure it is here. Now that I think of it - is the Shaman more advanced then the AAs in Shanghai's Pirates? Her limbs are lankier and her movements more ostentatious and exaggerated, but I don't know that she is. In Pirates, however, the figures are much more in service to the attraction as a whole.
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Does your analysis change if one views the River Journey as a story-less attraction?
 

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