News Avatar Experience coming to Disneyland Resort

[captveg]

Like I said earlier, I don’t think we need a whole land for Avatar. A single ride in Tomorrowland would be ideal, as long as the show building isn’t overly imposing.

With Avatar in Florida the land is a big part of the appeal, so frankly I want the land as much as the ride, and will have to disagree with you on this. I'd also much rather lose the Hollywood Backlot than any part of Tomorrowland for this, especially since it can be easily winked at as a movie set from Hollywood Blvd and stay within the theming (at least no worse than Monsters Inc. stays within the Backlot theming).

 

[Consumer]

With Avatar in Florida the land is a big part of the appeal, so frankly I want the land as much as the ride, and will have to disagree with you on this.

The land at DAK is impressive, but it's not what we're getting. What we're getting looks lame.

I'd also much rather lose the Hollywood Backlot than any part of Tomorrowland for this, especially since it can be easily winked at as a movie set from Hollywood Blvd and stay within the theming (at least no worse than Monsters Inc. stays within the Backlot theming).

I've never liked this mentality, even for Monsters Inc.

 

[CaptinEO]

Will Grizzly Peak stay?

 

[J4546]

The land at DAK is impressive, but it's not what we're getting. What we're getting looks lame.

I've never liked this mentality, even for Monsters Inc.

i disagree but its just my opinion. the concept art for the avatar land going in DCA looks pretty amazing. Beautiful large waterfalls, lush greenery, crazy rockwork/floating rocks, massive shanghai PotC based boat ride with huge capacity, almost certain to have gorgeous nighttime lighting, will almost certainly have shopping/dining as well....count me on board!

 

[Phroobar]

That’s out of date concept art. The big box was for the original Quinjet ride. It’s not in the new concept art.

That doesn't mean it isn't two story. It still looks taller than the HQ facade. Besides, what they have pictured doesn't fit the parking lot foot print.

 

[Disney Irish]

Will Grizzly Peak stay?

For now at least.

 

[Disney Irish]

That doesn't mean it isn't two story. It still looks taller than the HQ facade. Besides, what they have pictured doesn't fit the parking lot foot print.

Not saying it won't be, but really the only way I can see it being two stories is if they build the first story underground. There is more room back behind MB than most realize, this as been discussed ad nauseam in the Avengers E-Ticket thread.

 

[Professortango1]

With Avatar in Florida the land is a big part of the appeal, so frankly I want the land as much as the ride, and will have to disagree with you on this. I'd also much rather lose the Hollywood Backlot than any part of Tomorrowland for this, especially since it can be easily winked at as a movie set from Hollywood Blvd and stay within the theming (at least no worse than Monsters Inc. stays within the Backlot theming).

Are we visiting the set of Avatar? So all the creatures we see are supposed to be puppets and any characters are Hollywood actors?

I would happily lose Subs/Autopia/MBC for something interesting in TL.

 

[mickEblu]

Are we visiting the set of Avatar? So all the creatures we see are supposed to be puppets and any characters are Hollywood actors?

I would happily lose Subs/Autopia/MBC for something interesting in TL.

No way. I can’t see them going that route. Seems like every park in the world is going away from that. People are just saying that becasue it’s assumed location. It’ll just be a portal into another land with no explanation. The same way we walk into a land with taking Cars. No explanation necessary. Just a sign that says Cars Land.

 

[Professortango1]

Will Grizzly Peak stay?

I'd love to see Grizzly Peak all removed for Avatar.

Grizzly Peak seems like a land that has a ton of possibilities and was unfortunately designed with no room at all. Hotel on one side and main parade corridor on the other with Esplanade and the Bay flanking its other sides. A vast wilderness with a giant hotel looming and a little sliver of an "expansion" with a hangar and a monorail overhead. Grizzly is a decent ride, but lacks any element to draw in folks who don't want to get soaked. There are no AA's, no music, no story, no effects, nothing. Its quaint. Soarin' feels like a proof of concept that they never bothered to theme. Exposed ride systems, blank screen when boarding, big empty void, terrible queue.

Now Pandora...its very pretty, but you quickly learn how little there is to do in the land when visiting. No Navi to interact with, no animals to discover, no interactive elements like Harry Potter lands. It's a land that doesn't need that much space since there isn't a ton you can do with it. There's only so many Avatar-themed rides to design as both films have been fairly simple.

So it they were to replace GRR with the show building and water ride and then theme Soarin to FOP, that feels complete. Theme the front of Grand Californian to human structures being overgrown with nature. Have a few floating mountains over the hotel and it feels vast. You can even keep the concept of Redwood Creek with a training camp or Navi-themed play area.

Avatar replacing Grizzly Peak also takes away the one IP-free area of the park. Its the one holdout of the California theme that can be ignored. If they change that out, suddenly the park is free to rebrand and move on.

 

[Professortango1]

No way. I can’t see them going that route. Seems like every park in the world is going away from that. People are just saying that becasue it’s assumed location. It’ll just be a portal into another land with no explanation. The same way we walk into a land with taking Cars. No explanation necessary. Just a sign that says Cars Land.

But Cars Land feels like a Route 66 town and ties into California Car Culture. It fits the park. Avatar doesn't feel like California at all, unless we are looking at it as a film set in Studio City with lights and camera equipment ready to go.

 

[mickEblu]

But Cars Land feels like a Route 66 town and ties into California Car Culture. It fits the park. Avatar doesn't feel like California at all, unless we are looking at it as a film set in Studio City with lights and camera equipment ready to go.

I think it’s still a stretch but regardless we re talking about transitions. What’s the difference of walking by Grizzly Peak into a desert with talking cars or walking down Hollywood Blvd and turning into a beautiful planet with tall blue aliens? Now I’ll give you that Grizzly Peak is a smoother transition to Cars Land than Hollywood to Pandora from an aesthetic point of view but they make the same amount of “sense.”

 

[Professortango1]

I think it’s still a stretch but regardless we re talking about transitions. What’s the difference of walking by Grizzly Peak into a desert with talking cars or walking down Hollywood Blvd and turning into a beautiful planet with tall blue aliens? Now I’ll give you that Grizzly Peak is a smoother transition to Cars Land than Hollywood to Pandora from an aesthetic point of view but they make the same amount of “sense.”

Because Cars Land is designed to feel like Earth/California. The park is themed to California. I hope they change this, but it does mean that Grizzly Peak is the weird outlier and the only land not based on movie locations or IPs.

And yes, the transition you mentioned. If we turned left at the Hyperion and saw Ornament Valley right there, it would feel odd. Like a studios park.

And honestly, it could be my own personal hang up with the conception of it in my head and it works out perfectly well in person. I know the transition from Adventureland to NOS never bothered me too much, especially when the Tarzan tree was there to help act as a cinematic wipe/reveal of the new land.

That being said, I would love to see Avatar replace Grizzly Peak for the reasons stated above. Having Hollywoodland transition to Olvera Street with a Coco attraction adds to Hollywoodland rather than making it a strange street.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

While most of the attractions can be loosely connected to being part of the entertainment industry, which is concentrated in California, I think we're already past the point of the park truly having that sort of strong identity.

At this point it's a park full of Adventure that exists in California. Simple as that.

 

[mickEblu]

Because Cars Land is designed to feel like Earth/California. The park is themed to California. I hope they change this, but it does mean that Grizzly Peak is the weird outlier and the only land not based on movie locations or IPs.

And yes, the transition you mentioned. If we turned left at the Hyperion and saw Ornament Valley right there, it would feel odd. Like a studios park.

And honestly, it could be my own personal hang up with the conception of it in my head and it works out perfectly well in person. I know the transition from Adventureland to NOS never bothered me too much, especially when the Tarzan tree was there to help act as a cinematic wipe/reveal of the new land.

That being said, I would love to see Avatar replace Grizzly Peak for the reasons stated above. Having Hollywoodland transition to Olvera Street with a Coco attraction adds to Hollywoodland rather than making it a strange street.

So let it be a weird outlier then. Nobody minds. It’s an aesthetically pleasant land with two popular rides (when it’s not cold). Not to mention the playground and how the land supports the Grand Californian. The land and hotel need each other. I would say less then .01 % people walk into that land and are bothered that it’s NOT tied to an IP because the rest of the park is. Beautiful place making. Shade. Fun rides. This is what people care about.

I’d certainly put Coco Land or Monstropolis in the backlot before I put Avatar. Definitely more seamless. Avatar could use some more room to breathe.

 

[Professortango1]

While most of the attractions can be loosely connected to being part of the entertainment industry, which is concentrated in California, I think we're already past the point of the park truly having that sort of strong identity.

At this point it's a park full of Adventure that exists in California. Simple as that.

Right now we have a California Pier themed to Pixar characters, a Fisherman's Wharf are themed to Big Hero 6, a Route 66 area themed to Cars, a Silicon Valley Tech Campus themed to Marvel, and a California National Park area without any movie theme. Its the outlier. Either we need some more non-IP "adventure" areas or Grizzly needs to be adopted into this new park that has 4 more movie-based attractions coming to it.

 

[mickEblu]

Ok guys is it me, my phone or this site? I’ve been reading my posts to find a bunch of misspellings lately. Maybe I accidentally changed a setting on my text app?

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok guys is it me, my phone or this site? I’ve been reading my posts to find a bunch of misspellings lately. Maybe I accidentally changed a setting on my text app?

Your posts look fine to me on both my desktop and my phone.

Are you seeing misspellings before you post or after you post and come back to read it at a later time?

 

[mickEblu]

Your posts look fine to me on both my desktop and my phone.

Are you seeing misspellings before you post or after you post and come back to read it at a later time?

I’m catching them mid post or right after I post them and going back to edit. Just a lot more than usual lately.

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

Right now we have a California Pier themed to Pixar characters, a Fisherman's Wharf are themed to Big Hero 6, a Route 66 area themed to Cars, a Silicon Valley Tech Campus themed to Marvel, and a California National Park area without any movie theme. It’s the outlier. Either we need some more non-IP "adventure" areas or Grizzly needs to be adopted into this new park that has 4 more movie-based attractions coming to it.

It seems you conveniently forgot Buena Vista Street, Paradise Gardens Park, and Hollywood land. And throw in the downright ugly performance corridor too…There are more California-themed lands than ip lands, and Avatar will make it equal.

Honestly, it would be easier to slap on Gravity Falls into the name with some kind of headliner dark ride. Unlike Muppets, the fan base is actually there.