Are you 23?

[MKCP 1985]

The difference, is value. Those are tangible items. D23 is asking 75$ for 4 large Disney Pamphlets and the ability to buy more merch.

you know there's more to it than that, so why are you spreading misinformation? The same thing you would never tolerate from anyone else?

The lithograph . . . the discount and early admission to the expo. . . the window decal, the membership certificate and card . . . if those are things that don't appeal to you, fine, don't join.

But lately opponents of D23 with their own agenda (their "movement" for D64) have crossed the line from expressing their opinion that D23 isn't for them into expressing misinformation by under-reporting the benefits.

Maybe this thread has run its course and should be closed. :shrug:

 

[maggiegrace1]

The difference, is value. Those are tangible items. D23 is asking 75$ for 4 large Disney Pamphlets and the ability to buy more merch.

To some people they are getting their moneys worth..

What some think is getting their moneys worth others do not..some of the things you buy on ebay Evan are not worth what you pay for them in my opinion...as I am sure that me buying every Gilmore Girls season on DVD is not of value to you.:shrug:

BTW..I am not 23 or 64..I am 36...

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

you know there's more to it than that, so why are you spreading misinformation? The same thing you would never tolerate from anyone else?

The lithograph . . . the discount and early admission to the expo. . . the window decal, the membership certificate and card . . . if those are things that don't appeal to you, fine, don't join.

But lately opponents of D23 with their own agenda (their "movement" for D64) have crossed the line from expressing their opinion that D23 isn't for them into expressing misinformation by under-reporting the benefits.

Maybe this thread has run its course and should be closed. :shrug:

Slipped my mind, honest. But I wouldn't call that misinformation.

 

[TP2000]

I think it's only a matter of time (months?) before they lower the 75 dollar D23 membership price. This thing blew up on them big time, and I'm sure they are now scrambling to fix it and re-launch it at a lower price point.

From the looks of it, the D23 Expo in Anaheim this September looks like a major expenditure for the Company. They've got pretty much the entire Anaheim Convention Center, the largest convention center on the West Coast, reserved and rented out. Of course all the Parks & Resorts departments will be there, but also ESPN, ABC, Consumer Products, Studios, Animation, Internet Group, etc., etc. will all have exhibits and pavilions. Even the 5,000 seat Jetsons-esque Anaheim Arena has been reserved for key note D23 speeches from Bob Iger, John Lasseter, Jay Rasulo, etc. The whole four day Expo shindig has got to be costing a pretty penny.

I have a hunch they will use the Expo to re-launch D23 with lower price points, a refined message, and a better handle on marketing to the hardcore Disney fans. They really blew it on the D23 launch in March, so I think they'll regroup and try again in August/September.

 

[Monty]

The difference, is value. Those are tangible items. D23 is asking 75$ for 4 large Disney Pamphlets and the ability to buy more merch.

A magazine that has been likened to being 'Coffee-Table Book" quality publishing is hardly a pamphlet. Sorry Evan, you're losing ground when your arguments against D23 turn to petty, vindictive bickering.

I expect, based on what I've read and seen, that I will be satisfied that I got my money's worth by becoming a member. The magazine sounds to be worth the $16/issue being charged and the lithograph easily covers the extra expense over the base price of the magazine. The two $25 gift cards provided in response to my complaints about their initially ridiculous shipping fees outside the contiguous U.S. have somewhat assuaged my ire in that regard and I've determined that I'm getting value for what I paid.

Initially, I supported your efforts in creating D64, but it no longer really serves a purpose. Disney has provided a service to me through D23 that I'm content with.

 

[EpcotServo]

5 whole acres were bought in 1964.

I'd have much more respect for you if you admitted the 64 was just an example of dyscalculia instead of trying to figure out a way to make it work. Plus, if you go back in this thread, clearly the D64 number was just an attempt to double D23 and prove your 'club' was better than it.

Also, $75 isn't steep. Sorry. $6.25 a month doesn't make or break anyone. If you think it would, then you shouldn't be considering it at any price.

Thirdly, explain how you can 'be a fan' of Disney without spending money. You get into the parks for free? Free drinks? Free movie passes? Free merchandise? Free hotel rooms? Of course not. Even if you make the argument that you are 'being a fan' of Disney by being on this site, you paid for a membership to this site, you pay for internet to access this site, and Steve pays (huge) fees to host the site. You are also helping to pay those fees in the form of viewing the ads that are displayed.

64 is just a number. The only significance it has is that which the viewer sees in it.

Everything you pretty much said above is...well...wrong.

Super wrong.

64 isn't anti-23.

64 is just mathematically Superior to 23, and is much, much cooler. If you HAVE to ask, you'll never need to know.























And yes, it is much better than 23.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

To some people they are getting their moneys worth..

What some think is getting their moneys worth others do not..some of the things you buy on ebay Evan are not worth what you pay for them in my opinion...as I am sure that me buying every Gilmore Girls season on DVD is not of value to you.:shrug:

BTW..I am not 23 or 64..I am 36...

Alrighty! Good for them then...They can be 23, and I can be 64. Don't see why I have to stop running a campaign that hopes for a better D23.:shrug: If they can have their opinions, why can't we?

 

[Missing20K]

I think it's only a matter of time (months?) before they lower the 75 dollar D23 membership price. This thing blew up on them big time, and I'm sure they are now scrambling to fix it and re-launch it at a lower price point.

From the looks of it, the D23 Expo in Anaheim this September looks like a major expenditure for the Company. They've got pretty much the entire Anaheim Convention Center, the largest convention center on the West Coast, reserved and rented out. Of course all the Parks & Resorts departments will be there, but also ESPN, ABC, Consumer Products, Studios, Animation, Internet Group, etc., etc. will all have exhibits and pavilions. Even the 5,000 seat Jetsons-esque Anaheim Arena has been reserved for key note D23 speeches from Bob Iger, John Lasseter, Jay Rasulo, etc. The whole four day Expo shindig has got to be costing a pretty penny.

I have a hunch they will use the Expo to re-launch D23 with lower price points, a refined message, and a better handle on marketing to the hardcore Disney fans. They really blew it on the D23 launch in March, so I think they'll regroup and try again in August/September.

So maybe they reimburse those who purchased the club membership at $75, similar to Apple and the iPhone reimbursement?

BTW, I'm not either, and the reason for such passion behind the arguments on both sides eludes me. :shrug: Seems like a situation where agreeing to disagree would be the most prudent solution.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

A magazine that has been likened to being 'Coffee-Table Book" quality publishing is hardly a pamphlet. Sorry Evan, you're losing ground when your arguments against D23 turn to petty, vindictive bickering.

I expect, based on what I've read and seen, that I will be satisfied that I got my money's worth by becoming a member. The magazine sounds to be worth the $16/issue being charged and the lithograph easily covers the extra expense over the base price of the magazine. The two $25 gift cards provided in response to my complaints about their initially ridiculous shipping fees outside the contiguous U.S. have somewhat assuaged my ire in that regard and I've determined that I'm getting value for what I paid.

Initially, I supported your efforts in creating D64, but it no longer really serves a purpose. Disney has provided a service to me through D23 that I'm content with.

Once again, it's a matter of opinion! I don't find it worth it to me. It's just a showcase of Disney and it's goings on.:shrug:

And I really don't hope I sound vindictive...I'm rather enjoying the debate.

 

[maggiegrace1]

Alrighty! Good for them then...They can be 23, and I can be 64. Don't see why I have to stop running a campaign that hopes for a better D23.:shrug: If they can have their opinions, why can't we?

Not saying you have to stop running D64..it just seems like you are very bitter towards 23..:shrug:

I never said you could not have your opinion...I said we all have different opinions...

 

[maggiegrace1]

Once again, it's a matter of opinion! I don't find it worth it to me. It's just a showcase of Disney and it's goings on.:shrug:

And I really don't hope I sound vindictive...I'm rather enjoying the debate.

You do...not saying that to be ugly..just letting you know..and not just in this thread..anywhere you post about 23 and 64 you do.:shrug:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Not saying you have to stop running D64..it just seems like you are very bitter towards 23..:shrug:

I never said you could not have your opinion...I said we all have different opinions...

Well, I'm not.:lol::lol: I, in fact, want D23 to do well. To open it's horizons. Really WOW the fan base like we thought it would. I'm opposed to how they they are running it, yes, but I'm not bitter.:lol: Bitter to me, is being angry and upset with TWDC for "ruining" what was supposed to be a good thing. I'm not angry with them at all, just want them to work and live up to their full potential.

The thing is, I know thaat they can do MUCH better than this.

And not to be impertinent, but I don't understand why everyone gets ruffled at the sight of a dissenting opinion. Everyone has one! :lol:

 

[Monty]

I think it's only a matter of time (months?) before they lower the 75 dollar D23 membership price. This thing blew up on them big time, and I'm sure they are now scrambling to fix it and re-launch it at a lower price point.

From the looks of it, the D23 Expo in Anaheim this September looks like a major expenditure for the Company. They've got pretty much the entire Anaheim Convention Center, the largest convention center on the West Coast, reserved and rented out. Of course all the Parks & Resorts departments will be there, but also ESPN, ABC, Consumer Products, Studios, Animation, Internet Group, etc., etc. will all have exhibits and pavilions. Even the 5,000 seat Jetsons-esque Anaheim Arena has been reserved for key note D23 speeches from Bob Iger, John Lasseter, Jay Rasulo, etc. The whole four day Expo shindig has got to be costing a pretty penny.

I have a hunch they will use the Expo to re-launch D23 with lower price points, a refined message, and a better handle on marketing to the hardcore Disney fans. They really blew it on the D23 launch in March, so I think they'll regroup and try again in August/September.

I think you're wrong, but I can't be any more certain than you can. We don't know what the uptake on D23 memberships has been or how successful or disastrous it may be in Disney's opinion.

I know it certainly hasn't failed in my house. I'm a member and even with the rather high, but since significantly reduced, shipping I happen to be happy with my decision and that's before I've even received the magazine or the newsletter or any of the other benefits they've hinted at without specifics. I've also spent over $400 thus far on membership and merchandise, so I imagine Disney would consider me a success story. What neither of us knows is how many more like me are out there.

I certainly doubt the membership price will drop significantly, if at all. The magazine alone would keep the price high. Unless they decide to drop the subscription from the membership package.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

You do...not saying that to be ugly..just letting you know..and not just in this thread..anywhere you post about 23 and 64 you do.:shrug:

Maybe it's my wry sarcasm?:lol::lol::lookaroun:lookaroun

I'll try to cut down, most of the time I'm trying to be humorous.

 

[maggiegrace1]

Maybe it's my wry sarcasm?:lol::lol::lookaroun:lookaroun

I'll try to cut down, most of the time I'm trying to be humorous.

maybe..

I am all for sarcasm and I really could care less about 23 or 64..I just do not understand all the hate..(what I think sounds like hate) towards 23..:shrug:

I was just letting you know how you do come across about 23..at least to me...:shrug:

So, carry on!..:lol:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

maybe..

I am all for sarcasm and I really could care less about 23 or 64..I just do not understand all the hate..(what I think sounds like hate) towards 23..:shrug:

I was just letting you know how you do come across about 23..at least to me...:shrug:

So, carry on!..:lol:

No hate...

Hope it's only you, then.:lol:

 

[jt04]

Breaking News

OK, the special gift is a Mickey Lithograph w/COA

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

OK, the special gift is a Mickey Lithograph w/COA

We know.

 

[jt04]

We know.

Oh. I think it is a nice gift. Better than I thought.

 

[EpcotServo]

Oh. I think it is a nice gift. Better than I thought.

But is it...























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