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Anna and Elsa Moving to Fairy Tale Hall
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cw1982
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Rope Drop is definitely your friend. There will be others who line up that early, but nothing like the buildup that will be there even an hour later.
Matt_Black
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Especially good advice on an EMH day.
EricJ
Active Member
Iger said that?? Sounds more like Paul Pressler!
Thing is, not every movie in search of promotional park representation needs a ride...Chicken Little high on the list. Have to get out of the trap of Fan-Immortalization Hierarchy, and saying that "X was so popular, it needs a BIGGER ride than Y!"
If that were true, how did we get "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride"?--Was Ichabod & Mr. Toad that much of a smash mainstay for the studio? Or did Walt just figure that Disneyland, like every amusement park, needed a crazy-car ride, and had just the right appropriate animated-icon to fit it? Just like every amusement park needed a ghost-train, and Snow White running through the forest fit that one as well.
If it were up to symbolic box-office representation, Princess & the Frog would never have gotten anything in the parks at all, but Iger practically forced them to keep Tiana in the parks, and she's gone on to be more of a mainstay than her movie ever was. Some movies just work better as in-park characters....Merida and Brave also spring readily to mind.
They weren't giving Tangled bathrooms because it "deserved" it, or because they "couldn't think of anything"--They just needed something to retire that old Swiss-chalet Skyway stop, it was already a utility building with a restroom, and the idea of a forced perspective tower over New Fantasyland was a no-brainer.
Fans think about "their movie", Imagineers think about The Park.
jt04
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Iger said that?? Sounds more like Paul Pressler!
Thing is, not every movie in search of promotional park representation needs a ride...Chicken Little high on the list. Have to get out of the trap of Fan-Immortalization Hierarchy, and saying that "X was so popular, it needs a BIGGER ride than Y!"
If that were true, how did we get "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride"?--Was Ichabod & Mr. Toad that much of a smash mainstay for the studio? Or did Walt just figure that Disneyland, like every amusement park, needed a crazy-car ride, and had just the right appropriate animated-icon to fit it? Just like every amusement park needed a ghost-train, and Snow White running through the forest fit that one as well.
If it were up to symbolic box-office representation, Princess & the Frog would never have gotten anything in the parks at all, but Iger practically forced them to keep Tiana in the parks, and she's gone on to be more of a mainstay than her movies ever were. Some movies just work better as in-park characters....Merida and Brave also spring readily to mind.
They weren't giving Tangled bathrooms because it "deserved" it, or because they "couldn't think of anything"--They just needed something to retire that old Swiss-chalet Skyway stop, it was already a utility building with a restroom, and the idea of a forced perspective tower over New Fantasyland was a no-brainer.
Fans think about "their movie", Imagineers think about The Park.
If they had gone with something generic people would have complained about that. And if they were considering tangled that has now been trumped by Frozen. I think it is a safe bet a Frozen attraction will be happening at all resorts at this point.
asialeigh
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"Joe Guests" do actually get called when resolving MM+ issues on a daily basis.
PhotoDave219
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No offence, but I'm going to need a lot more transparency on this issue before I believe you.
I have a lot of difficulty that the MM+ team calls everyone who has an issue and then kvetches on twitter about it.
FigmentJedi
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People keep exaggerating Princess and the Frog's box-office reception when it actually wasn't too bad. The problem was that it wasn't the Lion King tier smash that they were initially expecting.
Matt_Black
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Right. It was released very late into the holiday season, and that didn't help anything, missing out on the Thanksgiving weekend revenue.
Cosmic Commando
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And got steamrolled by Twilight.
lebeau
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So has anyone used FP+ to meet A&E? @kennygman was predicting hour-long waits even with FP+ over at his site. Just wondering how accurate that turned out to be.
GiveMeTheMusic
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And Disney chose to put its marketing might behind A Christmas Carol as its big holiday release instead, which was dumb.
jt04
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Wrong and wrong. Actually Disney purposely wanted to ensure the success of bringing back the animation division and was modest with the budget. It was definitely not what is referred to as a tent pole film. It did very well and was the foundation as what may be the 'third age' of Disney animation. They have built on its success consistently. Sure they would have been happy with blockbuster status. However, as it has all turned out now, I am certain they would do it the same way again.
That is the truth of the matter.
jt04
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I am starting to think they know what they are doing......
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/disney-crosses-1-billion-overseas-in-record-time-1201159929/
GiveMeTheMusic
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I should know better than to even reply, but you know that article is about 2014 box office - not 2009, when the abysmal Christmas Carol flop was given the better release date and all of Disney's holiday marketing might, right? Instead of Princess and the Frog, which was unceremoniously dumped in a mid-December release date just a few days before some big movie...what was it called?
Oh yeah. AVATAR.
I'm pretty sure if Disney could do it over again, they would have bet their hand on Tiana rather than a creepy mo-cap Jim Carrey movie, and given her the early November release date to avoid Twilight and AVATAR - because that's what any thinking person would do.
Just like in 2000, when Disney did the EXACT same thing with Emperor's New Groove, a movie that despite being dumped mid-December with little marketing, actually increased it's box office week over week, defying expectations. Imagine what could have happened if they actually promoted it instead of 102 Dalmatians, a movie nobody wanted to see?
Disney has regularly botched its animation release dates over the past few years - Bolt premiered against the first Twilight. Frog, as mentioned above, got the shaft. Tangled was released just a few days before Harry Potter 7 - it certainly would have benefitted from a better lead time against the boy wizard. Winnie the Pooh was released the same day as Harry Potter 8, with zero marketing, ensuring a complete flop.
Ralph and Frozen were the first WDAS releases in years to get decent release dates, and finally with Frozen, the combination of great content, perfect timing and (eventually) clever marketing made it an unparalleled success.
And now everybody and their mom can't wait to stand in line for three hours to meet Anna and Elsa. Poor Aurora, she's just there to fill space.
Matt_Black
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Another release date botch- putting Atlantis the Lost Empire against Tomb Raider. "I don't think young boys are REALLY going to want to see a gun-toting Angelina Jolie running around in a T-shirt and short shorts, do you?"
Arty Cordova
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Disney has opened up new Fast Pass times and availability for Anna and Elsa today. I was able to add a person and change the times. Get them while they are hot.