American Idol details plus concept art

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
Hey, lookie here... a newly announced project and all the resident haters spew forth... maybe the name of this site needs to be changed. WDWHaters.com -- yep, that's about right. There sure isn't much magic left in the world of complainers around here. Of course, nobody KNOWS the format of the attraction, but they feel the need to call it lame, stupid, junk, failure, etc. So, I'll just get to say "told you so" yet again when the public is happy!
 

DisneyAnole

New Member
Criticism seems a bit over the top so far. This is definitely risky but could have a large upside if it works. If it fails it isn't the end of the world. DHS will have a "refreshed" (the new word for refurb) theater with some cool looking architecture and lighting.

Could some of the AI hate be coming from local talent fearing Disney finding new talent in all those many many auditions? Just a thought. I could be totally wrong.:lookaroun



You too could be "found" and be the next Hannah or star of HSM. Who knows? :wave:

You don't seriously think that building has a good look to it? It looks like Universal Citywalk has invaded MGM.

And, really, all this criticism from Orlando entertainers who feel threatened? Gimme a break. This idea sucks, plain and simple.
 

DisneyAnole

New Member
Hey, lookie here... a newly announced project and all the resident haters spew forth... maybe the name of this site needs to be changed. WDWHaters.com -- yep, that's about right. There sure isn't much magic left in the world of complainers around here. Of course, nobody KNOWS the format of the attraction, but they feel the need to call it lame, stupid, junk, failure, etc. So, I'll just get to say "told you so" yet again when the public is happy!

What would that prove? That the public's expectations have been lowered so much that they find this kind of crap acceptable? It doesn't really prove anything about Disney's willingness to disappoint.

And the line about all the haters is almost as lame as MGM Idol. People around here loved the Mansion redo, loved the AA upgrades at SSE. They're a tough crowd to please because they still hold Disney to pre-1985 standards. I wouldn't fault the crowd for that, I'd fault the company for having become so cheap and unimaginative.
 

PrincessMiko

New Member
Wow, you guys all seem to really be hateful towards an idea that it doesn't even sound like you read the information about. If you read the anouncement linked from the main page, it clearly says that there are preliminary auditions with a show producer, not in front of a theatre full of park guests. It also states that the people chosen from the auditions will be given some time to work with a vocal coach prior to their performance.

Do you really think Disney would allow a child to stand in front of hundreds of people and sing without screening them first?? Get real! :brick: What makes you think they have not thought of all of these issues and more? Are we really that much smarter that the people Disney pays to create and execute these ideas? You may think so, but look where they are, and now look where you are.

Sorry if this sounds harsh-I'm just kinda irritated by the negativity that seems to be stemming from a lack of people taking time to read the information that Disney put out about the attraction. No, I don't like the idea. I personally think it is rather rediculous. But there are probably 100k people that love the idea for every one of us that hates it.

I think at this point I am agreeing with the concept of "it's better than an empty building" and "it takes people out of line for other attractions." :D

Heck, I may even go audition, just for the heck of it. It's Disney!! Loosen up! :hammer:

(I really do love y'all and your opinions though! Keep 'em coming!):wave:
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
You don't seriously think that building has a good look to it? It looks like Universal Citywalk has invaded MGM.

And, really, all this criticism from Orlando entertainers who feel threatened? Gimme a break. This idea sucks, plain and simple.

I said I could be wrong and I didn't mean Orlando entertainers, I meant Disney talent.

As for the concept art, very cool, VERY COOL indeed. :cool:

(Especially when compared to the shoe box that is there now)
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
What would that prove? That the public's expectations have been lowered so much that they find this kind of crap acceptable? It doesn't really prove anything about Disney's willingness to disappoint.

And the line about all the haters is almost as lame as MGM Idol. People around here loved the Mansion redo, loved the AA upgrades at SSE. They're a tough crowd to please because they still hold Disney to pre-1985 standards. I wouldn't fault the crowd for that, I'd fault the company for having become so cheap and unimaginative.
We'll just wait and see.... but I'm betting the outcome will be egg on a lot of faces around here. I'm sure the haters will still hate, but they'll have a hard time saying the public doesn't like it.
 

aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
If you read the anouncement linked from the main page, it clearly says that there are preliminary auditions with a show producer, not in front of a theatre full of park guests. It also states that the people chosen from the auditions will be given some time to work with a vocal coach prior to their performance.

ok what I dont understand about that is, how is there going to be enough time to go through all that? How are they going to have several shows a day?
I do like the concept art and the idea of their being a new show and some life in that location. But im kind of dumbfounded at the thought of this going into Disney, I keep thinking Universal. It just doesnt seem like a Disney thing at all even though Hollywood Studios is the park for it, what happened to Disney originality and just Disney in general here? Imagineering really is hurting if this is all they can come up with any more.
BUT I like Idol to some extent and will see come closer to time and will give it a chance. Pretty jazzy artwork, except for Chernobyl there in the background.
Between this and block party bash it just seems like they are trying to turn this into a lame party park or something. Except for the floats block party bash doesnt even have disney music, and now this which looks to be totally non Disney themed.
 

JLW11Hi

Well-Known Member
I'm not saying there aren't reasonable answers to these concerns, they are just the prominent ones that come up when looking at this attraction. Yes, people are paid to make these decisions, yet we still get things like DCA and Stitch. So I can only hope that this one is a winner and doesn't cause tears like many of us are fearing.

Anyway, what I am really looking forward to is Toy Story Mainia, so I guess if I don't like the show I'll just go do that instead :)
 

DisneyAnole

New Member
We'll just wait and see.... but I'm betting the outcome will be egg on a lot of faces around here. I'm sure the haters will still hate, but they'll have a hard time saying the public doesn't like it.

We'll just say they wouldn't know a bad attraction if it jumped up and bit them in the :kiss:.
 

DisneyAnole

New Member
If you read the anouncement linked from the main page, it clearly says that there are preliminary auditions with a show producer, not in front of a theatre full of park guests. It also states that the people chosen from the auditions will be given some time to work with a vocal coach prior to their performance.

ok what I dont understand about that is, how is there going to be enough time to go through all that? How are they going to have several shows a day?
I do like the concept art and the idea of their being a new show and some life in that location. But im kind of dumbfounded at the thought of this going into Disney, I keep thinking Universal. It just doesnt seem like a Disney thing at all even though Hollywood Studios is the park for it, what happened to Disney originality and just Disney in general here? Imagineering really is hurting if this is all they can come up with any more.
BUT I like Idol to some extent and will see come closer to time and will give it a chance. Pretty jazzy artwork, except for Chernobyl there in the background.
Between this and block party bash it just seems like they are trying to turn this into a lame party park or something. Except for the floats block party bash doesnt even have disney music, and now this which looks to be totally non Disney themed.

Yeah, apparently the strategy is to take a half-day park and turn into a park worth skipping.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
I'm not saying there aren't reasonable answers to these concerns, they are just the prominent ones that come up when looking at this attraction. Yes, people are paid to make these decisions, yet we still get things like DCA and Stitch. So I can only hope that this one is a winner and doesn't cause tears like many of us are fearing.

Anyway, what I am really looking forward to is Toy Story Mainia, so I guess if I don't like the show I'll just go do that instead :)

DCA and Stitch were under different management so I am still willing to stay optimistic, especially after seeing the long term concepts from DCA. They definitely show concern for Walt's legacy! I have a feeling there is much more going on behind the scenes with respect to "Idol".

I have also noticed a hand full of people (AI haters) who are posting over and over and over. It is way over the top. There is definitely fear there. I mean if you can't stand AI don't go inside. And if the idea is as bad as you say it will fail and you can say "see I told you so". But if you are wrong and it succeeds then too bad for you.
 

Pirate665

Well-Known Member
If you read the anouncement linked from the main page, it clearly says that there are preliminary auditions with a show producer, not in front of a theatre full of park guests. It also states that the people chosen from the auditions will be given some time to work with a vocal coach prior to their performance.

Do you really think Disney would allow a child to stand in front of hundreds of people and sing without screening them first?? Get real! :brick: What makes you think they have not thought of all of these issues and more? Are we really that much smarter that the people Disney pays to create and execute these ideas?

I worked as a Casting Director for a production company doing interviews and coaching. If I couldn't keep up with 5 people an hour, what's to say someone else who's overworked in having to do x amount of people in little less than in hour wouldn't say "Raise the pitch. Other than that, have fun..." and let them bomb? And yes, I let my fair share bomb out of auditions to our studio heads and directors. And yes, I sent them all sorry notes. It was always my mistake. Thus is why I left that company.

And in reality, knowing Disney, having actually worked in Entertainment, they are not going to have someone for every person who walks in there. Even with the amount of reasonable time (lets say 2 hours), a vocal coach couldn't do better than to just have them pitch it up or down and let them out the door. Entertainment is overworked as it is, now they have to hire on additional people, who have specialized training? People are going to loose their jobs to accommodate them.

Yes, I think UO too, but UO's entertainment Division is already stretched. Not even UO could put it on with ease unless it was an American Idol Bar and Grill. Then maybe, I'd go and eat there...

We'll just wait and see.... but I'm betting the outcome will be egg on a lot of faces around here. I'm sure the haters will still hate, but they'll have a hard time saying the public doesn't like it.

You know, I read you bashing me in the other section. Personally, I don't know what Walt wants. And my major point in all my ranting is Disney is Magic. Idol = No Magic. It's lame and rude. It shows that the all mighty dollar wins over WDI and Iger has turned his back on the fundamentals of Disney values. Traditions is a class ALL Disney employees and CMs' must go through at some point. In that very class, you are taught what it is the goal of the parks and company is to project.

Tell me, I'm interested in what makes Idol, anything better than a night at the bar? What makes getting a regional chance any better than me going to Altell stadium and waiting in the line? Because, that pass doesn't give them the right to skip ahead. Just says it grants them the shot. I could have it too. By going to the stadium. For free.

What makes me getting laughed at magic? What makes people who are rude because they are just there to audition and leave ruin my vacation? Are you going to say I have egg on my face, when maybe attendance is up, but guest satisfaction is down? Or when CM moral hits all time lows? The waves a bad project make are felt all through the company. Not just on the boards. This is not about just the kids feeling bad to me. It's about the company dragging it's morals on which it was based on through the mud and saying... "It's all business." It's not just business.

You may think I'm a little off with that, but sometimes, to some people WDW is more than just a theme park. WDW was inspired by a dream. I've worked for all the major theme parks in Florida (SW, WDW, UO, BG). Non have had the impact on my life like Disney. I want it to stay with it's values that I have instilled in my heart.

This is more than just about kids crying, dude. This is about the idea. Next time, read the plaque at MK. Maybe you'll understand a bit better.

(And I'm not saying your dumb, you just don't realize all the facts that this could impact upon. What's next? When does the bad management stop?)

>Steve
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Could it be the whole concept of winners and losers cause people to hate the the whole AI concept? I mean we do live in an era when some think we should not keep score in children's sports because of something about hurting their self-esteem. :ROFLOL:

Ridiculous!
 

Pirate665

Well-Known Member
Anyway, what I am really looking forward to is Toy Story Mainia, so I guess if I don't like the show I'll just go do that instead :)

I'm interested in that as well. I want to see what it'll look like in the end. I just don't want to have to wind up wearing 3-D glasses the whole time. They give me a headache as is.

>Steve
 

Disney_Freak429

New Member
First all hail EpcotServo for releasing his inner Joel Mchale with the Seacrest joke. If he didn't all ready do it I would have.(I wonder if Lou will go out for AI at DHS I'd vote for him) :)

As far as the building its a bit overpowering but the theme works & I don't hate it. As far as the show itself I am not thriled but as long as we have not only "Pop" songs to pick from but also a ton of Disney songs even with my voice heck I'd go for it. I want to hear people singing everything from "Yo Ho" to "Hi Ho" to HSM songs to songs from Enchanted. With a large collection of Dinsey tunes this might be fun. But if its only "pop" songs blah I'll pass.
 

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
Sounds like the PERFECT idea to keep crowds away from me while at WDW. Right up there with SSE, Lights Motor Action, WWTBAMPI, COP, Wings of Flight and Castle Stage Shows. Great job. Maybe we can add another 1-2 of these kind of attractions to every park. Then it will feel much more like the off season...
 

Snapper Bean

Active Member
The building looks beautiful but this is a truly awful idea. AI has about 2-3 years left of popularity and then it will be completely burned out the way the Millionaire Game Show was. I can envision every 16-28 wannabe buying an annual pass and going every day to try and make it. I fear this attraction will displace people on their vacation not involve them. Plus, for the most part AI is a brutally honest unmagical show. For the life of me I can't understand why Disney wouldn't revive Superstar TV and do a little cross-marketing with the ABC/ESPN/Disney Channel properties. Oh well. Much like Stich Escapes, I suspect I will do this new show exactly once.

Snapper Bean
 

Enderikari

Well-Known Member
We'll just say they wouldn't know a bad attraction if it jumped up and bit them in the :kiss:.

Ladies and Gentlemen, if you ever wanted to see arrogance displayed in an efficient manner, let's examine this post from DisneyAnole, shall we?

Let's first start at the very beginning, with his use of the royal "We." Its obvious he believes that people share his opinion, enough people where he can justify speaking on behalf of people who aren't able to express their opinions effectively. He feels like he makes his point more justifiable by referring to HIMSELF as we, trying to make believe that his opinion has the weight of the majority with him.

Next obvious example of arrogance is the flippant use of the word "they." In an effort to dehumanize the opposition to his opinion, he refers to any and all of his detractors as a "they." But who is "they" supposed to be? If his arrogance is any indication, then "they" is supposed to refer to the public at large. So, essentially what DisneyAnole is saying here is that he makes better decisions than EVERYONE ELSE who goes to Walt Disney World.

Which is all well and good, I am sure that DisneyAnole makes enough money to spend enough at Walt Disney World on vacation to pay for all the people who wouldn't come because of the decisions he would make, if he were in charge.

So endeth the lesson

"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."

Socrates
Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)
 

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