American Idol details plus concept art

WIX

Member
Disney, Disney, Disney. :shrug:

It's times like these that I just don't get what they're doing.

AMERICAN FREAKIN IDOL???

Way to create an attraction that will please audiences for generations!! Well, at least for years!! Maybe months...or more like days...well actually American Idol's on its last leg (hopefully...since most of the recent winners were never more than D-list celebrities).

What a magical attraction! What's the story? Great theme!

Sometimes Disney just sucks.

I was thinking the EXACT same thoughts. Well except for the Disney sucks part. Kudos to you for voicing them.

I will be skipping this one for sure . . . pretty building . . . bad idea!!!
 

nerdboyrockstar

Well-Known Member
If you read the anouncement linked from the main page, it clearly says that there are preliminary auditions with a show producer, not in front of a theatre full of park guests. It also states that the people chosen from the auditions will be given some time to work with a vocal coach prior to their performance.

ok what I dont understand about that is, how is there going to be enough time to go through all that? How are they going to have several shows a day?
I do like the concept art and the idea of their being a new show and some life in that location. But im kind of dumbfounded at the thought of this going into Disney, I keep thinking Universal. It just doesnt seem like a Disney thing at all even though Hollywood Studios is the park for it, what happened to Disney originality and just Disney in general here? Imagineering really is hurting if this is all they can come up with any more.

The way it would work reminds me of how Fear Factor Live works over at Universal Studios. The show's been there for a few years now and basically, I think about an hour before showtime, you go "audition" for Fear Factor which is basically tests to see if you can handle the physical nature of participating (jumping jacks, dancing, etc.). Then they pick the contestants, videotape intros to air during the show, and the winner and second place winners receive park-hoppers, t-shirts and hats.
 

lawyergirl77

Active Member
I don't post much anymore...

... but it's threads like this that confirm why I don't bother. It's amazing just how much negativity fans of the "Happiest Place on Earth" can spawn in a few short pages.

I'm not the biggest fan of the idea, but I certainly don't wish it ill. I don't think that this is a sign of the apocalypse, nor do I think that this is the death of Disney's creativity. MGM/DHS was always more of a "flavour of the week" park, which leads to huge spikes in attendance when its attractions are hot and a slide to 4th park status when its attractions get stale.

Bottom line - I think interactive rides like this at DHS definitely do fit in with the theme. Does anyone remember the original Superstar Studios (or whatever it was that was originally in these theatres)? MGM's original rides were all about putting people into their favourite movies/TV shows. This is, arguably, a return to it.

And as for people getting their dreams crushed etc. due to criticism, I think that Disney will be very careful with that (Again, as they have ALWAYS been with other attractions that are participation-based).

Oh, and you can bet that guests will be signing one hell of a release form if they choose to participate in this attraction. So the lawsuits... not so much.

As always YMMV, etc. etc. I'm going back to lurking now.
 

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
Well Disney got what they wanted from this. Its been mentioned on both MSNBC and CNN.

Whether it is good or not, no idea. I won't ever see it. No interest whatsoever.

But, at least its something new to pull guests in, god knows the studios need it.
 

Fun2BFree

Active Member
I'm actually happy that DHS is receiving this new blood transfusion or rather, a shot in the arm. New blood is good blood... with maybe the exception of Alien blood... that's gotta sting. :lol:
 

SpongeScott

Well-Known Member
This is a website for people that LOVE Disney? And there's this much hate for something? Are you sure you people are frequenting the correct site?

Last I recall, you're (we) are nothing but a bunch of paying guests to a place we love and they didn't ask for our professional opinion. I think Disney has put proper study and time into an attraction like this, but you stomp on their idea like they have rocks for brains.

Tell you what--you get a high-level job with Disney, put a few years experience under your belt, learn what goes into making a decision like this, find out in a qualified study where Disney can most make the money and entertain people, and then let a "know-it-all" come in and run your idea into the ground.

So you don't like it--don't go. Period. Studies and prelim work have shown it will work, at least on paper. Be glad that Disney is trying something new and will continue to make a profit, which means better parks and entertainment for all of us.
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
This is a website for people that LOVE Disney? And there's this much hate for something? Are you sure you people are frequenting the correct site?

Last I recall, you're (we) are nothing but a bunch of paying guests to a place we love and they didn't ask for our professional opinion. I think Disney has put proper study and time into an attraction like this, but you stomp on their idea like they have rocks for brains.

Tell you what--you get a high-level job with Disney, put a few years experience under your belt, learn what goes into making a decision like this, find out in a qualified study where Disney can most make the money and entertain people, and then let a "know-it-all" come in and run your idea into the ground.

So you don't like it--don't go. Period. Studies and prelim work have shown it will work, at least on paper. Be glad that Disney is trying something new and will continue to make a profit, which means better parks and entertainment for all of us.

Buddy, they may not have asked for anyone's opinion, but last I knew, we were free to give opinions, without first asking for Disney's permission.

You know what, there could be thousands of studies, that doesn't mean we aren't free to disagree with those studies. If Disney had never made an attraction that was a failure, you might be right, that we have no 'grounds' to disagree. But I can name several attractions that have flopped or had short shelf lives that point to the fact that Disney isn't infallible.

Just because someone is a fan of something doesn't mean they aren't free to look at that entity with a discerning eye. Maybe you'd prefer a rose-colored world where we're all mindless drones, but I would not.
 

BeachClubVillas

Well-Known Member
If this is a website for Disney fans, I'd hate to see a website for people who don't like Disney.


And, lawyergirl, this is why I rarely post anymore either.
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
Buddy, they may not have asked for anyone's opinion, but last I knew, we were free to give opinions, without first asking for Disney's permission.

You know what, there could be thousands of studies, that doesn't mean we aren't free to disagree with those studies. If Disney had never made an attraction that was a failure, you might be right, that we have no 'grounds' to disagree. But I can name several attractions that have flopped or had short shelf lives that point to the fact that Disney isn't infallible.

Just because someone is a fan of something doesn't mean they aren't free to look at that entity with a discerning eye. Maybe you'd prefer a rose-colored world where we're all mindless drones, but I would not.
Discerning eye? You've got to be kidding me! Very few posts have been "discerning."

As normal, the common theme for those that typically post the negative "opinions" is the "we're not mindless drones" and "I can name several flops"... etc. But yet, they never do. :rolleyes:
 

SpongeScott

Well-Known Member
Buddy, they may not have asked for anyone's opinion, but last I knew, we were free to give opinions, without first asking for Disney's permission.

You know what, there could be thousands of studies, that doesn't mean we aren't free to disagree with those studies. If Disney had never made an attraction that was a failure, you might be right, that we have no 'grounds' to disagree. But I can name several attractions that have flopped or had short shelf lives that point to the fact that Disney isn't infallible.

Just because someone is a fan of something doesn't mean they aren't free to look at that entity with a discerning eye. Maybe you'd prefer a rose-colored world where we're all mindless drones, but I would not.
Yeah, "this will flop", "what a stupid idea", etc. Those are well-thought out opinions. :rolleyes:
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
Ladies and Gentlemen, if you ever wanted to see arrogance displayed in an efficient manner, let's examine this post from DisneyAnole, shall we?

Let's first start at the very beginning, with his use of the royal "We." Its obvious he believes that people share his opinion, enough people where he can justify speaking on behalf of people who aren't able to express their opinions effectively. He feels like he makes his point more justifiable by referring to HIMSELF as we, trying to make believe that his opinion has the weight of the majority with him.

Next obvious example of arrogance is the flippant use of the word "they." In an effort to dehumanize the opposition to his opinion, he refers to any and all of his detractors as a "they." But who is "they" supposed to be? If his arrogance is any indication, then "they" is supposed to refer to the public at large. So, essentially what DisneyAnole is saying here is that he makes better decisions than EVERYONE ELSE who goes to Walt Disney World.

Which is all well and good, I am sure that DisneyAnole makes enough money to spend enough at Walt Disney World on vacation to pay for all the people who wouldn't come because of the decisions he would make, if he were in charge.

Straw man.


So endeth the lesson

"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."

Socrates
Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)

Contradiction.
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
Discerning eye? You've got to be kidding me! Very few posts have been "discerning."

As normal, the common theme for those that typically post the negative "opinions" is the "we're not mindless drones" and "I can name several flops"... etc. But yet, they never do. :rolleyes:

I haven't posted anything negative in this thread about the attraction. I am defending the principle to post negative.

As for a list, here is a partial one:
Stitch's Great Escape
JIYI
WWTBAM
Ellen's Energy Adventure
Tiki Room: New Management

Yeah, "this will flop", "what a stupid idea", etc. Those are well-thought out opinions. :rolleyes:

I'm not defending all the opinions here as well thought out; many are not. I'm defending the principle to present a well thought out opinion that is negative towards WDW. Per usual, many of the posts here (both pro and con) aren't thought out all that well.
 

Enderikari

Well-Known Member
Straw man.

It really can't be a straw man argument, unless you want to consider DisneyAnole the person who set up the scarecrow and I the person who beat it mercilessly. To really commit the strawman fallacy, you have to set up the dummy.


WDWFigment said:
Contradiction

Actually, I think Socrates was more into the irony of the statement than anything else. Next time I see him though, I'll ask...

You know, after I learn Greek and all....

And invent time travel...
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
I haven't posted anything negative in this thread about the attraction. I am defending the principle to post negative.

As for a list, here is a partial one:
Stitch's Great Escape
JIYI
WWTBAM
Ellen's Energy Adventure
Tiki Room: New Management



I'm not defending all the opinions here as well thought out; many are not. I'm defending the principle to present a well thought out opinion that is negative towards WDW. Per usual, many of the posts here (both pro and con) aren't thought out all that well.
Problem with your list... it's SUBJECTIVE. :wave:
 

normdisney

New Member
This will be a HUGE . Idol is always tops in ratings and besides the building has been empty for years.

Disney knows what will work just check out their annual report they are beating all the income predictions:sohappy:
 
I am thankful we all have opinions and are able to express them even if some people believe them as mindless or not thought out. I think maybe some people should live in a communist country and see how much their opinion matters. :zipit:

I for one have no interest in visiting DHS. Do I still support Disney? Of course. I visit the Magic Kingdom, Epcot and Halloween festivities. Did I go to DHS last year? Nope. Will I be visiting DHS this year? Nope.
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
It really can't be a straw man argument, unless you want to consider DisneyAnole the person who set up the scarecrow and I the person who beat it mercilessly. To really commit the strawman fallacy, you have to set up the dummy.




Actually, I think Socrates was more into the irony of the statement than anything else. Next time I see him though, I'll ask...

You know, after I learn Greek and all....

And invent time travel...

To commit a straw man fallacy, all you must do is misrepresent another's statement. You exploited what likely was an error in diction to give the original poster's statement a totally different meaning than was actually intended. That's the straw man fallacy.

Perhaps Socrates was into the irony of the statement, I, like you, don't have the means to find that out. However, I still find it a bit condescending (and contradictory) for you to go into a diatribe picking apart an opinion and then proceed to lecture on humility. Give me a break...

True only for those unable to see past the surface and comprehend the deeper meaning... :lookaroun

Problem with your list... it's SUBJECTIVE. :wave:

You're definitely right, and that's why this is up for debate. Even if I presented quantitative evidence that the attractions are less popular than their predecessors, we could argue over if numbers are the only criterion for judging 'success'. I think half the fun here is the debates (when they are truly informed, I agree with you that someone saying "that sucks" without any further articulation as to why it sucks is just wasteful posting...but why not just ignore that?) that are had over rumors and the quality of attractions.
 

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