A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

[csmat99]

Just by looking at the construction thus far, it's seem certain DL will finish their SWL ahead of DHS. But, how do you know that Disney wants DL to have a multi-year head start over DHS?

No one has said Multi year meaning 2-3 years. I'm talking about 14-18 months after Disneyland opens. So if SWL opens end of 2018 in Cali then we are looking at 2020 at DHS around spring.. If SWL in Cali opens early 2019 then you are looking at a Summer opening for DHS.

 

[spacemt354]

Do you remember seeing this in the movie?

It looks like a different location which makes sense. This is a being that collects things from all over the universe. He would need more than one place to put them.

No, I don't remember seeing a re-skinned Twilight Zone Tower of Terror -- must have missed that part in the film.

The interior of Knowhere, in my opinion, appears to have had some inspiration to the design. Especially since the entire concept of the ride is based on the scene in the film within that location. Does Mission Breakout have to be exactly in Knowhere? No, and I never said it had to be. Only that to me, not only would that make sense with the film, but I see some influences in the metallic textures and factory style design, as Knowhere is a mining colony. I'm not going to lose sleep over it if they end up putting it somewhere else though.

 

[MisterPenguin]

No one has said Multi year meaning 2-3 years. I'm talking about 14-18 months after Disneyland opens. So if SWL opens end of 2018 in Cali then we are looking at 2020 at DHS around spring.. If SWL in Cali opens early 2019 then you are looking at a Summer opening for DHS.

First, Spirit has said "a few years." That is, at the very least 2 years, and most people mean about at least 3.

It's pretty much been an active point of conversation this past few days and pages of this thread. Here's the quote:

expect the SWE to open ... a few years after Anaheim's version

And for the point of argument, assume that it's only 14-18 months that Orlando lags behind Anaheim... the question I asked you is why. Why would Disney want Disneyland to have a lead (whether 6 months or 30 months) over Orlando. And, how do you know they want DL to have a lead?

 

[csmat99]

First, Spirit has said "a few years." That is, at the very least 2 years, and most people mean about at least 3.

It's pretty much been an active point of conversation this past few days and pages of this thread. Here's the quote:



And for the point of argument, assume that it's only 14-18 months that Orlando lags behind Anaheim... the question I asked you is why. Why would Disney want Disneyland to have a lead (whether 6 months or 30 months) over Orlando. And, how do you know they want DL to have a lead?

Why? Because for two reasons. One - Disneyland has been the priority for years now. They want to have exclusivity for a good amount of time. My opinion it will be at least 15-18 months between projects opening. Two - Orlando doesn't care that DHS is a graveyard. They care they can get the BMW but putting it on layaway for 3-4 years and spreading those payments out over as many quarters as they possibly can. Just look at any of the big projects that have being doing for last 5 years. How long did that bathroom take?

 

[Mike S]

No, I don't remember seeing a re-skinned Twilight Zone Tower of Terror -- must have missed that part in the film.

I really set myself up for that.

I just don't think it's the same place. Let's also not forget his place on Knowhere was destroyed. Maybe that's why he kidnapped the Guardians.

 

[spacemt354]

I really set myself up for that.

I just don't think it's the same place. Let's also not forget his place on Knowhere was destroyed. Maybe that's why he kidnapped the Guardians.

I dont really feel like keeping this up. To be honest, I dont care enough

You're free to think what you want. You may very well be right, but i get the feeling you think Im insisting it needs to be in Knowhere. No, merely that to me as a comic and MCU fan, that would make logical sense. But moreover, the Collector isnt even slated to be in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2, so to base a whole attraction off of him in the first place I question, let alone the reskin of ToT.

 

[Cesar R M]

What is obscuring that gigantic castle at SDL? Hint: It's not fog.


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http://themeparkuniversity.com/disney/shanghai-disneyland-castle-vanishes-smog/

Thats insane!
Dont they get heavily ill for breathing that dense smog?

 

[Cesar R M]

Meh, I'm a gamer, it reminds me of this...
(skip 10:30 for FOG WORLD)

 

[MisterPenguin]

Thats insane!
Dont they get heavily ill for breathing that dense smog?

People with compromised systems, like asthma, get sick right away. For the healthy, it's an inexorable wearing down of health in the long term leading to respiratory diseases and a shortened lifespan. It's like involuntary smoking.

 

[Bolna]

Anyone interesting in heavy smog should watch The Crown on Netflix, episode 4 "Act of God". Not a documentary of course, but I found it fascinating how it managed to show smog, its consequences and how difficult it is to learn on how important it is to avoid it.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

The Collector's Museum is in Knowhere so unless they are changing the location from the film, then I'd assume it's based on Knowhere

The surroundings show it is based in 1930s hollywood, which makes absolutely no sense.

 

[JediMasterMatt]

Ok... I'm going to try to make this whole Star Wars opening date thing as simple as possible for people.

Everyone is on the same sheet of music for Anaheim. They are working as hard and as fast as possible to get it opened by the end of the year holiday season in 2018. My sources will go so far as to say that they are hoping for at least soft openings for Thanksgiving next year. So, West Coast opening is pretty clear and baring any huge delays outside of Disney's control (weather or huge technical delays with either Bird or Alcatraz), they are willing to add as many man hours to the project as needed to get it done on time.

The differences in opinions on when WDW is set to open are the variable. Spirit says 2020. Martin thinks 2019 is possible. While I won't speak for them, I'll just say that my sources haven't waivered in 2020. It was 2020 before it got announced and it was 2020 when it did and it's 2020 now. Don't get so caught up in the semantics of if it's going to be "months", "a year", or "years" after Anaheim and keep it simple - it's going to be 2019 or 2020 based on what you read around these parts.

Beyond that - use common sense. As I said above, Anaheim's project is "working as hard and as fast as possible" and they are "willing to add as many man hours to the project as needed" to reach the 2018 holiday season date. Do you think WDW is doing that currently on this or ANY project? Until or unless that changes, there is no way WDW will open SWL months after DLR. It just can't happen. While ultimately it is a question of willpower, the real variable in the equation is manpower. WDW simply doesn't have the will to pay for accelerating this project by giving it more resources to move faster. That doesn't mean they can't have a change of heart; but, if they do - the proof will be in the pudding of seeing WDW's construction sites look like Anaheim's (and more if they are going to catch up).

I can't speak for TDO; but, my opinion is that in their eyes - they have enough in their pipeline to keep the rubes coming back for more until it does open. Pandora and Toy Story and Rivers of Light (haha) and some things that haven't been announced. Do I think that's the right choice? No way. The resort is stuck in the swamp literally and figuratively. They have rested for so long and maintained such an operating margin that it's hard to fault them for not changing. An object at rest tends to remain at rest.

I love Disney Parks and I love what WDW was and I dream of what it could be in the future; but, I don't pretend that they are close to delivering today on the promise of what their legacy has historically shown is possible. If "Spirited Change" is ever going to come... they can start proving it by putting their foot on the gas pedal by opening up those pocket books even more.

*And yes, they are starting to spend money at levels greater than we seen under Emperor Iger's reign; but, that doesn't offset more than a decade of neglect and it doesn't change the truth that Parks can't continue to do their old math of DLR =1 and WDW = 1 when it comes to dividing up the capital that actually makes its way into the theme parks. DLR has 2 hungry mouths to feed and WDW has 4 and the east coast kids are malnourished.

**Oh, and as a completely unassociated aside (since this thread is most definitely the place for it) - make every effort to head to the theaters to see La La Land. It will warm your heart and put a smile on your face. Which is much more than we can say for the usual doom and gloom we get around these parts.

 

[brb1006]

Here's a behind the scenes video of the photo above.

 

[GoofGoof]

Ok... I'm going to try to make this whole Star Wars opening date thing as simple as possible for people.

Everyone is on the same sheet of music for Anaheim. They are working as hard and as fast as possible to get it opened by the end of the year holiday season in 2018. My sources will go so far as to say that they are hoping for at least soft openings for Thanksgiving next year. So, West Coast opening is pretty clear and baring any huge delays outside of Disney's control (weather or huge technical delays with either Bird or Alcatraz), they are willing to add as many man hours to the project as needed to get it done on time.

The differences in opinions on when WDW is set to open are the variable. Spirit says 2020. Martin thinks 2019 is possible. While I won't speak for them, I'll just say that my sources haven't waivered in 2020. It was 2020 before it got announced and it was 2020 when it did and it's 2020 now. Don't get so caught up in the semantics of if it's going to be "months", "a year", or "years" after Anaheim and keep it simple - it's going to be 2019 or 2020 based on what you read around these parts.

Beyond that - use common sense. As I said above, Anaheim's project is "working as hard and as fast as possible" and they are "willing to add as many man hours to the project as needed" to reach the 2018 holiday season date. Do you think WDW is doing that currently on this or ANY project? Until or unless that changes, there is no way WDW will open SWL months after DLR. It just can't happen. While ultimately it is a question of willpower, the real variable in the equation is manpower. WDW simply doesn't have the will to pay for accelerating this project by giving it more resources to move faster. That doesn't mean they can't have a change of heart; but, if they do - the proof will be in the pudding of seeing WDW's construction sites look like Anaheim's (and more if they are going to catch up).

I can't speak for TDO; but, my opinion is that in their eyes - they have enough in their pipeline to keep the rubes coming back for more until it does open. Pandora and Toy Story and Rivers of Light (haha) and some things that haven't been announced. Do I think that's the right choice? No way. The resort is stuck in the swamp literally and figuratively. They have rested for so long and maintained such an operating margin that it's hard to fault them for not changing. An object at rest tends to remain at rest.

I love Disney Parks and I love what WDW was and I dream of what it could be in the future; but, I don't pretend that they are close to delivering today on the promise of what their legacy has historically shown is possible. If "Spirited Change" is ever going to come... they can start proving it by putting their foot on the gas pedal by opening up those pocket books even more.

*And yes, they are starting to spend money at levels greater than we seen under Emperor Iger's reign; but, that doesn't offset more than a decade of neglect and it doesn't change the truth that Parks can't continue to do their old math of DLR =1 and WDW = 1 when it comes to dividing up the capital that actually makes its way into the theme parks. DLR has 2 hungry mouths to feed and WDW has 4 and the east coast kids are malnourished.

**Oh, and as a completely unassociated aside (since this thread is most definitely the place for it) - make every effort to head to the theaters to see La La Land. It will warm your heart and put a smile on your face. Which is much more than we can say for the usual doom and gloom we get around these parts.

Makes sense, but do TDO or TDA really have much of a say? I would think for a huge capital spend like this it comes straight from the top. It makes more sense to me that Iger and crew would like to spread costs over a few more years so one park would be "delayed". Since Avatar and Toy Story are opening in the next few years and DL always gets things first it makes sense that WDW would be the park left behind.

 

[truecoat]

The surroundings show it is based in 1930s hollywood, which makes absolutely no sense.

On top of that, even in the MCU the GOTG don't have much of a connection with the other movies. All the other heroes besides Thor take place on earth and Thor still found himself on earth for portions of his movies. Not sure how this power plant from another universe will fit into an earth based city setting the others find themselves in.

 

[Princess Leia]

On top of that, even in the MCU the GOTG don't have much of a connection with the other movies. All the other heroes besides Thor take place on earth and Thor still found himself on earth for portions of his movies. Not sure how this power plant from another universe will fit into an earth based city setting the others find themselves in.

Didn't they have to change a part of the ride because they couldn't get the screens before the drop? I feel like I remember reading somewhere that they now have to address why you're looking out at a theme park.

 

[truecoat]

Didn't they have to change a part of the ride because they couldn't get the screens before the drop? I feel like I remember reading somewhere that they now have to address why you're looking out at a theme park.

Yes, it had to do with how they wanted to mount the screens and it wasn't working. Something like that.

 

[JediMasterMatt]

Makes sense, but do TDO or TDA really have much of a say? I would think for a huge capital spend like this it comes straight from the top. It makes more sense to me that Iger and crew would like to spread costs over a few more years so one park would be "delayed". Since Avatar and Toy Story are opening in the next few years and DL always gets things first it makes sense that WDW would be the park left behind.

You know... that's the real mystery. Why does Parks still operate with the bicoastal mentality? Everyone knows the resorts are run differently and even under One Disney, they were. The real decisions are all made in Burbank anyway, so what's really behind it all?

My guess... apathy.

WDW is a money making machine that's also a big liability if tourism waivers. The resorts are an anchor if they aren't filled and the location means people have to travel to get there. I suspect the thought is do as little as possible because it's less risky and it's what they've done for over a decade and gotten away with it. If the people keep flocking to Orlando for less and less quality, then why spend? Why deliver Disney Parks quality when people have shown to pay Parks quality money for a product delivering less?

Tradition and the locals force their hand in Anaheim; but, there isn't that drive to do more on the East Coast.

So, I'll go with apathy until someone can up with a better explanation why Disney World flounders.

 

[doctornick]

Makes sense, but do TDO or TDA really have much of a say? I would think for a huge capital spend like this it comes straight from the top. It makes more sense to me that Iger and crew would like to spread costs over a few more years so one park would be "delayed". Since Avatar and Toy Story are opening in the next few years and DL always gets things first it makes sense that WDW would be the park left behind.

Not to mention there would be pressure from Wall St to open ASAP and start realizing the economic benefit of Star Wars in the park -- normally, Wall St folks wouldn't care, but Star Wars is such a huge property that there will be (already is, really) a push to get it in the parks as much and quickly as possible. And Iger and company do love their Wall Street overlords.

Furthermore, I know TDO often takes their time with projects, but second half 2019 for Star Wars would pretty much be on target for their usually speed anyway (would be 3-3.5 years after starting).

 

[Mike S]

Ok... I'm going to try to make this whole Star Wars opening date thing as simple as possible for people.

Everyone is on the same sheet of music for Anaheim. They are working as hard and as fast as possible to get it opened by the end of the year holiday season in 2018. My sources will go so far as to say that they are hoping for at least soft openings for Thanksgiving next year. So, West Coast opening is pretty clear and baring any huge delays outside of Disney's control (weather or huge technical delays with either Bird or Alcatraz), they are willing to add as many man hours to the project as needed to get it done on time.

The differences in opinions on when WDW is set to open are the variable. Spirit says 2020. Martin thinks 2019 is possible. While I won't speak for them, I'll just say that my sources haven't waivered in 2020. It was 2020 before it got announced and it was 2020 when it did and it's 2020 now. Don't get so caught up in the semantics of if it's going to be "months", "a year", or "years" after Anaheim and keep it simple - it's going to be 2019 or 2020 based on what you read around these parts.

Beyond that - use common sense. As I said above, Anaheim's project is "working as hard and as fast as possible" and they are "willing to add as many man hours to the project as needed" to reach the 2018 holiday season date. Do you think WDW is doing that currently on this or ANY project? Until or unless that changes, there is no way WDW will open SWL months after DLR. It just can't happen. While ultimately it is a question of willpower, the real variable in the equation is manpower. WDW simply doesn't have the will to pay for accelerating this project by giving it more resources to move faster. That doesn't mean they can't have a change of heart; but, if they do - the proof will be in the pudding of seeing WDW's construction sites look like Anaheim's (and more if they are going to catch up).

I can't speak for TDO; but, my opinion is that in their eyes - they have enough in their pipeline to keep the rubes coming back for more until it does open. Pandora and Toy Story and Rivers of Light (haha) and some things that haven't been announced. Do I think that's the right choice? No way. The resort is stuck in the swamp literally and figuratively. They have rested for so long and maintained such an operating margin that it's hard to fault them for not changing. An object at rest tends to remain at rest.

I love Disney Parks and I love what WDW was and I dream of what it could be in the future; but, I don't pretend that they are close to delivering today on the promise of what their legacy has historically shown is possible. If "Spirited Change" is ever going to come... they can start proving it by putting their foot on the gas pedal by opening up those pocket books even more.

*And yes, they are starting to spend money at levels greater than we seen under Emperor Iger's reign; but, that doesn't offset more than a decade of neglect and it doesn't change the truth that Parks can't continue to do their old math of DLR =1 and WDW = 1 when it comes to dividing up the capital that actually makes its way into the theme parks. DLR has 2 hungry mouths to feed and WDW has 4 and the east coast kids are malnourished.

**Oh, and as a completely unassociated aside (since this thread is most definitely the place for it) - make every effort to head to the theaters to see La La Land. It will warm your heart and put a smile on your face. Which is much more than we can say for the usual doom and gloom we get around these parts.

2020 for Star Wars would be kind of sad as that's when UOR is supposedly opening Nintendo and they haven't started any construction on that yet while Disney has started.