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BrerJon

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Given WDW tends to go for summer openings more, a holiday 2018 for DLR and summer 2020 for WDW means there's only 18 months between them, shorter than Universal had between its two US Hogsmeades.

With Avatar maybe this year, or at latest next Christmas, 2018 for people to enjoy Avatar, Toy Story opening late 2018 or early 2019, then Star Wars mid 2020, they'll see it as having 'new land overkill' to open SWL any earlier.
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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Matthew Gottula 1:Robert Niles & Mark Eades 0
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And the finishing move, a Bricker Gottula tag team
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GoofGoof

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JediMasterMatt said:
You know... that's the real mystery. Why does Parks still operate with the bicoastal mentality? Everyone knows the resorts are run differently and even under One Disney, they were. The real decisions are all made in Burbank anyway, so what's really behind it all?

My guess... apathy.

WDW is a money making machine that's also a big liability if tourism waivers. The resorts are an anchor if they aren't filled and the location means people have to travel to get there. I suspect the thought is do as little as possible because it's less risky and it's what they've done for over a decade and gotten away with it. If the people keep flocking to Orlando for less and less quality, then why spend? Why deliver Disney Parks quality when people have shown to pay Parks quality money for a product delivering less?

Tradition and the locals force their hand in Anaheim; but, there isn't that drive to do more on the East Coast.

So, I'll go with apathy until someone can up with a better explanation why Disney World flounders.
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I think you are correct about apathy to an extent. DL is still run more like a local amusement park in that it has to keep adding new things to keep people interested (especially locals). WDW is geared more towards 2 types of guests, the once in a lifetime trip crowd and the die hard fans. There isn't as strong of a local fan base and the once in a lifetime and infrequent visitors haven't seen everything that's currently there so there's no hurry to add new stuff. The die hard don't care. They just love WDW.

Another difference is that WDW is as much a hotel and restaurant business as a theme park one. DLR lives and dies by the park admission. People go to WDW for longer stretches of time and spend more on hotels and meals than park admission. Ultimately people visit for the parks, but there's other drivers too and the resort doesn't seem to suffer despite its lack of investment. DLR operates a lot more like Universal. It's one of the things that makes me worry about Universal Florida's more recent focus on hotels. Hope they don't get into the rut WDW is in.
 
JoeCamel

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GoofGoof said:
I think you are correct about apathy to an extent. DL is still run more like a local amusement park in that it has to keep adding new things to keep people interested (especially locals). WDW is geared more towards 2 types of guests, the once in a lifetime trip crowd and the die hard fans. There isn't as strong of a local fan base and the once in a lifetime and infrequent visitors haven't seen everything that's currently there so there's no hurry to add new stuff. The die hard don't care. They just love WDW.

Another difference is that WDW is as much a hotel and restaurant business as a theme park one. DLR lives and dies by the park admission. People go to WDW for longer stretches of time and spend more on hotels and meals than park admission. Ultimately people visit for the parks, but there's other drivers too and the resort doesn't seem to suffer despite its lack of investment. DLR operates a lot more like Universal. It's one of the things that makes me worry about Universal Florida's more recent focus on hotels. Hope they don't get into the rut WDW is in.
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I don't think you need to worry about UOR, they might have built a few thousand rooms but they are expanding the parks as well so all those rooms will have something new to visit and stay filled. See the third/fourth gate they are building? It is a bunch of money but Comcast has shown they are not afraid to spend. While down the road........

New park in 2024? How is the fifth gate coming? Or do they need to "fix" what they have first?

Either way the cash cow is in need of vet service. The behemoth that is TWDC is waking up but it's leader is departing (really? is he?) soon and the parks are being played like a token to see what will out as the way to go rather than driving them with vision for the future.

Seems like no leader is in place and it will be several years of safe moves before any innovation will be happening. Why upset the cow when she produces such fine milk?
 
GoofGoof

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JoeCamel said:
I don't think you need to worry about UOR, they might have built a few thousand rooms but they are expanding the parks as well so all those rooms will have something new to visit and stay filled. See the third/fourth gate they are building? It is a bunch of money but Comcast has shown they are not afraid to spend. While down the road........

New park in 2024? How is the fifth gate coming? Or do they need to "fix" what they have first?

Either way the cash cow is in need of vet service. The behemoth that is TWDC is waking up but it's leader is departing (really? is he?) soon and the parks are being played like a token to see what will out as the way to go rather than driving them with vision for the future.

Seems like no leader is in place and it will be several years of safe moves before any innovation will be happening. Why upset the cow when she produces such fine milk?
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I'm thinking more long term. In the near future there's no fear of a slowdown, but Universal is in the same place that WDW was in the late 80s and 90s when they'd were adding their 3rd and 4th gates plus thousands of hotel rooms. I'm not saying it's going to happen just that it's a fear that they could go down that path.
 
JoeCamel

JoeCamel

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GoofGoof said:
I'm thinking more long term. In the near future there's no fear of a slowdown, but Universal is in the same place that WDW was in the late 80s and 90s when they'd were adding their 3rd and 4th gates plus thousands of hotel rooms. I'm not saying it's going to happen just that it's a fear that they could go down that path.
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I think there is a HUGE (donald) chance of a slowdown as people add up what the massive price increases will mean to the average family considering a Disney vacation. They do weigh the value as TWDC has failed to instill the "brand" in the new generation of visitor so they cannot see the value in spending their hard earned dollars for little return.

The parks are stale the rooms are overpriced. The parks are changing but it is too little and taking too long.
Four years til major openings (Yeah Pandora) will decimate the thousands of rooms they have. DVC conversions are the saving grace but new DVC customers are unhinged to buy in at these price points so their occupancy will decline along with the existing rooms as there is no compelling reason to visit the parks.

Up the road is the ticket for the next 10 years IMO, hope $DIS can survive on movies as the parks will not be what drives the company in the future.
 
The_Jobu

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CJR

CJR

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Mike S said:
Thanks. This trip will be more Disney focused than my first one though. We're also doing D23. I definitely need to see more of California eventually.
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Love Disneyland, but it's a pretty amazing state (it's my home state, so I'm a bit biased) even without it. After this trip, hit up San Francisco sometime and be sure to visit the Walt Disney Family Museum while you're there. Northern California is so different from the south that it really feels like its own state.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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truecoat said:
On top of that, even in the MCU the GOTG don't have much of a connection with the other movies. All the other heroes besides Thor take place on earth and Thor still found himself on earth for portions of his movies. Not sure how this power plant from another universe will fit into an earth based city setting the others find themselves in.
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Except Odin and Co (including the Asgardian City and planet) isnt on earth.
Thor doesn't have a "base of operations" on Earth. You can bet he lounges in the Avengers's Tower (Stark's)

I honestly believe they should have gone for the "After the destruction of his collector base in Knowhere, The Collector decided to built on Earth and disguised his new base as a broken hotel". Which kinda fits considering that The Collector is manipulative (multiple times have lied to get his hands on Rocket Raccoon and Groot as part of his collection).
But the new designs make kinda zero sense in that aspect.
 

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