A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

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ElreTigo

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Animaniac93-98 said:
This is your quarterly reminder from me that tonight is another Disney night on TCM, starting at 8:00pm. Titles include Old Yeller, The Ugly Dachshund and Sammy, the Way Out Seal.

http://www.tcm.com/disney/
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While not a bad lineup at all, I just wish they had saved this collection for maybe a springtime TCM Disney night, and had more of a holiday-themed schedule tonight. Babes In Toyland perhaps, that old 1976 Disneyland Christmas special (or any of the vintage holiday / park specials), Jiminey Cricket's Christmas, which I believe used to be called a Disney Channel Christmas at one point (?) Or at least have a few of the cartoon shorts be holiday-related.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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ElreTigo said:
While not a bad lineup at all, I just wish they had saved this collection for maybe a springtime TCM Disney night, and had more of a holiday-themed schedule tonight. Babes In Toyland perhaps, that old 1976 Disneyland Christmas special (or any of the vintage holiday / park specials), Jiminey Cricket's Christmas, which I believe used to be called a Disney Channel Christmas at one point (?) Or at least have a few of the cartoon shorts be holiday-related.
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Babes in Toyland was shown last year, so perhaps they wanted to do something different. "From All of Us to All of You" would have been a good Christmas related start for tonight:

 
Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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The Empress Lilly said:
I'll take Tangled, WiR, Frozen, BH6, Zootopia and Moana over Eisner's 'legacy first' Cinderella III and Aladdin: Return of Jafar. I can barely think of one live action movie of his era I'd want to see. Splash was overrated, Honey I Shrunk the Kids and its endless sequels and spin-offs is what the zero street credibility of old Disney is made of.

Iger has got Eisner beat at the box office, in critical acclaim, and in quality of product. Eisner had a good streak for five years, but all of his two decades don't even match up to what Iger has achieved in one.
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I will never understand people trying to rewrite history, painting Eisner as a "quality first" curator of Walt Disney's legacy in order to make Iger look like some kind of villain who has plundered Disney's legacy. Eisner had a great 5-10 years, then quickly plunged the company into a nosedive of low-quality DTV sequels as feature animation also began to flounder. Chicken Little was Eisner's great white hope of re-inventing Disney animation, and that was an inferior rip-off of Dreamworks. In terms of live action, very little stands out from Eisner's term. Even regarding the parks, by the end of his term Eisner had embraced a model for small and relatively inexpensive parks like DCA and HKDL.

Iger hasn't been good for WDW, but I find it hard to argue that on the whole he hasn't been phenomenally successful in turning Disney into unquestionably the #1 entertainment company in the world.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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Sure he's the head of the company and has acquired said Marvel, etc. but shouldn't more credit be given to the heads who run those divisions for making them so successful? I'm not totally discounting Iger, his lack of interest in the parks is discouraging and Eisner, for better or worse, has him beat there, but he's not single-handedly responsible for everything, good and bad. Eisner had his hands in everything, I don't see that being the case with Iger. He has people who know what they're doing. Except apparently with the parks.
 
Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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Kman101 said:
Sure he's the head of the company and has acquired said Marvel, etc. but shouldn't more credit be given to the heads who run those divisions for making them so successful? I'm not totally discounting Iger, his lack of interest in the parks is discouraging and Eisner, for better or worse, has him beat there, but he's not single-handedly responsible for everything, good and bad. Eisner had his hands in everything, I don't see that being the case with Iger. He has people who know what they're doing. Except apparently with the parks.
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But I think that speaks to Iger being a better leader for the company. He doesn't seem to have the delusion of creative genius nor the insecurities that Eisner had, and instead has been able to appoint talented people and let them do their work. That, I think, was first evident when he acquired Pixar and gave John Lasseter a greater role within WDFA and the parks. Eisner seemed to imagine himself as some kind of modern Walt Disney, and he just didn't have anything like the creative instinct needed to carry off that role effectively. He also seemed to have a unique ability for alienating creative talent such as Lasseter.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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Sir_Cliff said:
But I think that speaks to Iger being a better leader for the company. He doesn't seem to have the delusion of creative genius nor the insecurities that Eisner had, and instead has been able to appoint talented people and let them do their work. That, I think, was first evident when he acquired Pixar and gave John Lasseter a greater role within WDFA and the parks. Eisner seemed to imagine himself as some kind of modern Walt Disney, and he just didn't have anything like the creative instinct needed to carry off that role effectively. He also seemed to have a unique ability for alienating creative talent such as Lasseter.
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All of this is very true. Good points.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Sir_Cliff said:
I will never understand people trying to rewrite history, painting Eisner as a "quality first" curator of Walt Disney's legacy in order to make Iger look like some kind of villain who has plundered Disney's legacy. Eisner had a great 5-10 years, then quickly plunged the company into a nosedive of low-quality DTV sequels as feature animation also began to flounder. Chicken Little was Eisner's great white hope of re-inventing Disney animation, and that was an inferior rip-off of Dreamworks. In terms of live action, very little stands out from Eisner's term. Even regarding the parks, by the end of his term Eisner had embraced a model for small and relatively inexpensive parks like DCA and HKDL.

Iger hasn't been good for WDW, but I find it hard to argue that on the whole he hasn't been phenomenally successful in turning Disney into unquestionably the #1 entertainment company in the world.
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Technically it required him to buy competitors and leaders on the industry to slowly permeate their quality levels into other departments (aka john lesseter on Disney's Animation Studios, Marvel to Hero Market and Star Wars for nerds)
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Sir_Cliff said:
I will never understand people trying to rewrite history, painting Eisner as a "quality first" curator of Walt Disney's legacy in order to make Iger look like some kind of villain who has plundered Disney's legacy. Eisner had a great 5-10 years, then quickly plunged the company into a nosedive of low-quality DTV sequels as feature animation also began to flounder. Chicken Little was Eisner's great white hope of re-inventing Disney animation, and that was an inferior rip-off of Dreamworks. In terms of live action, very little stands out from Eisner's term. Even regarding the parks, by the end of his term Eisner had embraced a model for small and relatively inexpensive parks like DCA and HKDL.

Iger hasn't been good for WDW, but I find it hard to argue that on the whole he hasn't been phenomenally successful in turning Disney into unquestionably the #1 entertainment company in the world.
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You of course mean the model of Bribing Wall St with stock repurchases so they don't look closely at the business fundamentals which are degrading by the hour there is no way Disneys fundamentals justify the current stock price
 
culturenthrills

culturenthrills

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Saw Moana for a second time today and gotta say i liked it even more. The animation in it is some of the best they have ever done. It really is stunning. Especially in the final act as the water parts and she sings "Know Who You Are" it is so beautiful. I like it better than Zootopia. Love the music and the performances. It really is amazing we got this and Zootopia in the same year.
 
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doctornick

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Cesar R M said:
Technically it required him to buy competitors and leaders on the industry to slowly permeate their quality levels into other departments (aka john lesseter on Disney's Animation Studios, Marvel to Hero Market and Star Wars for nerds)
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This always seemed to me to be a specious arguement. Whether Disney/Iger spend money and bought the entire company of Pixar and Lasseter came with it (substitute Marvel/Feige and Lucasfilm/Kennedy if you wish) how is that any different from splashing (less) cash and hiring Lasseter away from Pixar? Surely, the talent of the leaders involved was part of the value for those acquisitions for Disney.

Part of a good CEO would be hiring the right people and putting them in a position to succeed. What does it matter whether a person comes as a result of buying out their current employer versus hiring them alone? If it was just about the IP, Iger could have gotten rid of Lasserter or Feige, etc. when getting those companies but instead he seems to have actually by and large given them more responsibility.

Looking at it a different way, Iger also hired Alan Horn which looks like a stroke of brilliance. I'd imagine that Warner Bros would probably like to see him back.
 
ParentsOf4

ParentsOf4

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Merry Christmas from Walt Disney World.

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Yesterday was at the Magic Kingdom and Disney Hollywood Studios - a 16-hour day but we did all the attractions we wanted! :) It's a lot easier to do now that the children are older. ;)
 
ParentsOf4

ParentsOf4

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flynnibus said:
You're a brave man Charlie Brown :)
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:)

Luckily for us, crowds on Thursday and Friday were reasonable; DW thought they were lighter than summer. A number of Magic Kingdom attractions were walk-ons or near walk-ons for the first couple of hours. Same happened at Disney Hollywood Studios late in the evening.

Today, Typhoon Lagoon was the emptiest I've ever seen it. (Daytime high was a bit over 80.) Plenty of seating was available throughout the day.

I suspect we are just ahead of the curve, with the masses arriving last night (Dec. 23) and today (Dec 24). We'll see what tomorrow at Disney Animal Kingdom and Epcot brings.

There's no way you are getting me into the Magic Kingdom on Christmas Day. :eek:
 
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ElreTigo

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photoginit said:
Especially in the final act as the water parts and she sings "Know Who You Are" it is so beautiful. I like it better than Zootopia.
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I liked it better than Zootopia, BH6, and *gasp* :eek: even the anointed Frozen itself.

Moana just had all the pieces in place for a great classic: Story, music, beautiful animation. It all just worked. The soundtrack is quite possibly now my favorite in the Disney library, and the movie itself ranks for sure in my top-3 of all the Disney animated films.
 
Hakunamatata

Hakunamatata

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ElreTigo said:
I liked it better than Zootopia, BH6, and *gasp* :eek: even the anointed Frozen itself.

Moana just had all the pieces in place for a great classic: Story, music, beautiful animation. It all just worked. The soundtrack is quite possibly now my favorite in the Disney library, and the movie itself ranks for sure in my top-3 of all the Disney animated films.
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I think it's no.2 now behind Lion King as my favorite Disney animation.
 
Phil12

Phil12

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I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all the posters here in the Spirit threads. About a year ago I had the good fortune to make a windfall profit from my business and I was looking for a safe yet profitable place to invest the money. I had considered purchasing a large block of Disney stock but after reading some of the folks here who are unhappy with TWDC, I decided against that idea.

But then, after re-reading many of those posts, I came up with another good investment idea. I put all of that money into Alcoa Inc. and have done very well. Thanks again!
 
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