A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

FigmentJedi

Well-Known Member
You also have to obey your masters in Celebration commands. "We closed down 5 rides yesterday, make sure its a POSITIVE THING!"

If you make sure you don't show an ounce of objectivity and act as a PR piece for Disney for years, maybe they will reward you with paid rooms on site when they do "media events" to unveil new benches. You may live 5 miles away, but you sure could use a nice MAGICAL room!

Jokes asides, you can tell those social media Disney fanatics from a mile away. Something you know... important like the water park that created the blue print for all water parks closing in 5 days? Who cares! Its not MAGICAL because its not at Disney World! It may be 10 miles away from Disney Springs, but for all matter of purpose, to Disney social media drones, Wet' n Wild closing could be happening on the moon.
I wonder how many goodies ThemeParkReview is expecting to get seeing as they're at the shilling point where they're actually begging Disney to replace all classic versions of Pirates with the Shanghai version and wanting Disneyland's castle to receive the same makeover Hong Kong is getting on their Twitter and such.
 

the-reason14

Well-Known Member
I wonder how many goodies ThemeParkReview is expecting to get seeing as they're at the shilling point where they're actually begging Disney to replace all classic versions of Pirates with the Shanghai version and wanting Disneyland's castle to receive the same makeover Hong Kong is getting on their Twitter and such.

Wow. Guess it goes to show how out of touch with Disney I've been as of late. Had no idea they were changing the castle in hong kong. What a shame. Why create it like the original in the first place, why not just make it different. Oh well, haven't been there yet, and with some of the changes it seems like it'll now be worthwhile because that was the one Disney resort I could pass on.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I wonder how many goodies ThemeParkReview is expecting to get seeing as they're at the shilling point where they're actually begging Disney to replace all classic versions of Pirates with the Shanghai version

I'm all for that and I'm not a blogger. How can I sign up to get goodies from Disney for saying that online?
 

WDWTank

Well-Known Member
I'm all for that and I'm not a blogger. How can I sign up to get goodies from Disney for saying that online?
noooo not classic Pirates! It would make more sense to have different versions of the Ride at different parks rather than the same ride.

Also, Magic kingdom needs some new capacity. I'd love to see big money spent on a revival concept of Fire Mountain.

The idea of a Morphing Ride system within an attraction is nice, and, it would fit the character traits of Maui.
 

truecoat

Well-Known Member
Wow. Guess it goes to show how out of touch with Disney I've been as of late. Had no idea they were changing the castle in hong kong. What a shame. Why create it like the original in the first place, why not just make it different. Oh well, haven't been there yet, and with some of the changes it seems like it'll now be worthwhile because that was the one Disney resort I could pass on.

Shanghai has induced castle envy.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
noooo not classic Pirates! It would make more sense to have different versions of the Ride at different parks rather than the same ride.

No, it makes more sense to have a good version of the ride everywhere. I go to WDW regularly. I don't want to go to Shanghai to see a good version of pirates rather than one of the poorest versions with bad animatronics made worse by the inexplicable ""plot"" of CJSparrow shoehorned into it.

You don't draw people to different parks with some parks having a better version of a ride, you draw them to different parks with completely different experiences.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I don't usually point to Screamscape for anything, however this is a bit different. It has some possible insight about why Disney is doing such a cash-grab lately and it's different than what I was thinking.

http://screamscape.com/html/walt_disney_world_resort.htm

(Under General Resort News)

Here is a portion of the info

While I'm sure there are a small variety of reasons, Screamscape was informed that one of the key reasons behind the WDW imitative was the once scheduled December 1st, 2016 launch of the new "Overtime Final Rule" from the US Department of Labor. While the new Overtime rule is currently on hold, pending litigation after a Federal judge in Texas set an injection in motion to stop it, the new Overtime law would have had a big affect on some of the various departments within Walt Disney World.
How? Well to summarize it briefly, the current Overtime laws allow for companies to create specific positions that are paid at a "Salary" level instead of "Hourly". Hourly pay is what most of the jobs at Walt Disney World (and elsewhere) are, where employees are paid a specific sum for every hour they work, and by the Federal labor laws once you work over 40 hours in a week, all hours beyond the first 40 are paid at an "Overtime" level which is typically 1.5-times the regular hourly wage. (ie: someone making $10 per hour, will get $15 per hour Overtime). Things are different for those in Salary positions, where they are paid a specific lump sum regardless of how many hours they work, removing the possibility of getting any overtime pay as long as they make at least $455 / week or $23,660 annually. Those levels were set decades ago and have never been overhauled to reflect inflation and the increase in pay levels over the years, so it isn't difficult at all for a salaried employee working a full-time schedule to make well over $23,660 a years. The new law that was to have gone into effect would have raised that bar significantly to require wages of $913 / week or $47,476 annually for them to be exempt from Overtime pay for hours worked beyond 40 per week.
This is where certain departments within Walt Disney World apparently began to panic, as Disney has long had a habit in most of their departments of creating a management structure that was fairly full of middle-management staff that were salaried positions making less than $47,476 annually. Now the new rule, if and when it does go info effect, would only affect those workers who were actually working over 40-hours a week, and in many departments I'm told that this wouldn't be an issue at all. However, while interviewing some anonymous WDW Cast Members (current and former) about the issue, we were told that some specific departments were quite guilty of expecting their salaried staff to work well over 40 hours a week on a regular basis to help their departments meet their budget expectations. While no one currently employed was willing to point a finger, one previous WDW Manager did tell us that during their employ that the Foods and Finance departments were known to be guilty of the practice at the time.
So suddenly Walt Disney World found themselves with a virtual platoon of low-paid middle-management CMs, all in Salary positions, threatening to put them into a very tricky pickle. This is a result of Walt Disney World's established management hierarchy system combined with their notorious reputation for paying CMs what was described simply as "horrible salaries" that were "well below average". The solution? Pretty much what we have been witnessing Walt Disney World unfold over the past two months, hopefully along with internal changes within the various departments where needed.
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
The point is still the same.. Buying Success vs creating Success

I'm not sure I understand. Honestly.

I mean, anything that is "created" is done by actual people. If we want/expect Disney to "create" things, there needs to be talented, creative people employed by them to make it happen. My point was that it is completely arbitrary whether Disney "acquires" someone like Lasseter by buying out his current employee versus hiring him away from a rival studio versus hiring him out of film school. Any way, it is a matter of recognizing talent and adding them to your stable so that they can "create".

New concepts like Inside Out, Zootopia and Moana (and, yes, Frozen) don't just suddenly appear out of nowhere.

My point before is that one should give credit to Iger for not just simply buying valuable IPs but actually getting high quality employees to run various divisions. I'm not a particular fan of Iger, but one should give him significant credit in molding the film division into a powerhouse, arguably the strongest studio in existence today. And not just in creating movies that are popular with the public and get significant revenue, but having consistently highly regarded movies (but both critics and audience reception). It's not like Disney has been releasing Transformers-ish movies that make tons of money but are widely panned.
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
I was thinking this weekend, if Disney has other plans at it's parks for WDW's 50th in 2021 besides Star Wars and Avatar, they'll need to start digging holes soon.

Well, there's been a lot of rumors about stuff so I'm hopefully we'll hear something at the summer 2017 D23. But even at Disney's glacial building pace, there's still time. A large new build is typically ~3 years and October 2021 is well over 4 years away. Furthermore, the main offerings for MK in celebration for the 50th sound like they might be a new parade and fireworks and just general freshening up plus maybe a new build in Tomorrowland.
 

Rodan75

Well-Known Member
I don't usually point to Screamscape for anything, however this is a bit different. It has some possible insight about why Disney is doing such a cash-grab lately and it's different than what I was thinking.

http://screamscape.com/html/walt_disney_world_resort.htm

(Under General Resort News)

Here is a portion of the info

This makes sense as a common sense explanation. I know a lot of places that were bracing for this law and making changes to accommodate for it. However, in my analysis of the impact to my previous 2 companies, folks working in this level of position were not working enough hours over 40 to warrant dramatic changes to our staffing models.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
This makes sense as a common sense explanation. I know a lot of places that were bracing for this law and making changes to accommodate for it. However, in my analysis of the impact to my previous 2 companies, folks working in this level of position were not working enough hours over 40 to warrant dramatic changes to our staffing models.

I don't be see how removing higher margin soda products... or adding events that make more staff and overhead help an an organization that is running too lean on staff get their labor sorted.

I would expect labor costs to be scrutinized no matter what their net results are.
 

coasterphil

Well-Known Member
This makes sense as a common sense explanation. I know a lot of places that were bracing for this law and making changes to accommodate for it. However, in my analysis of the impact to my previous 2 companies, folks working in this level of position were not working enough hours over 40 to warrant dramatic changes to our staffing models.

I'd be surprised if Disney wasn't confident that the law would never go into effect. Many major employers that were going to be impacted (which were hospitality and retail for the most part) held off on making any changes, let alone announcing anything, with the expectation that it was going to at least be delayed. Don't tell employees anything until it absolutely has to happen, that way you aren't "stuck" paying your people fairly if the law hits a road block.

Also, I'd be shocked if the majority of Disney's salaried staff under 47k wasn't working 40+. The only reason employers have those types of positions as salaried is to dodge OT. Most hourly employee within the service business realize how bad a deal it is and weigh whether the pain of taking that type of position is worth moving up the ladder. If there are a bunch of salaried employees working a lazy 40 hours in Team Disney or Celebration I'd assume Disney would've cut those positions rather than try to pick up the pennies with new revenue generators and cost cutting measure elsewhere.
 

Rodan75

Well-Known Member
I don't be see how removing higher margin soda products... or adding events that make more staff and overhead help an an organization that is running too lean on staff get their labor sorted.

I would expect labor costs to be scrutinized no matter what their net results are.

I am not part of the soda conspiracy. But events that add staff but are high margin would help pay for labor in an overall budget.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
Well, there's been a lot of rumors about stuff so I'm hopefully we'll hear something at the summer 2017 D23. But even at Disney's glacial building pace, there's still time. A large new build is typically ~3 years and October 2021 is well over 4 years away. Furthermore, the main offerings for MK in celebration for the 50th sound like they might be a new parade and fireworks and just general freshening up plus maybe a new build in Tomorrowland.
I'm starting to think it's more of a glacial "deciding what to do and then starting it" pace.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure I understand. Honestly.

I mean, anything that is "created" is done by actual people. If we want/expect Disney to "create" things, there needs to be talented, creative people employed by them to make it happen. My point was that it is completely arbitrary whether Disney "acquires" someone like Lasseter by buying out his current employee versus hiring him away from a rival studio versus hiring him out of film school. Any way, it is a matter of recognizing talent and adding them to your stable so that they can "create".

New concepts like Inside Out, Zootopia and Moana (and, yes, Frozen) don't just suddenly appear out of nowhere.

My point before is that one should give credit to Iger for not just simply buying valuable IPs but actually getting high quality employees to run various divisions. I'm not a particular fan of Iger, but one should give him significant credit in molding the film division into a powerhouse, arguably the strongest studio in existence today. And not just in creating movies that are popular with the public and get significant revenue, but having consistently highly regarded movies (but both critics and audience reception). It's not like Disney has been releasing Transformers-ish movies that make tons of money but are widely panned.
Noone's arguing against that.

But you're speaking right now of Lesseter. Lets not forget that he was a Disney Employee and then FIRED (if I remember correctly).
Disney low and mid management has the tendency of FIRING great gems in rough that end being powerhouses of entertainment and then later having to dish millions to buy these same people once they are of global acclaim. That the difference of GROWING UP and NURTURING talent vs BUYING.
Disney used to nurture a lot, now they just buy.
 

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