A Spirited Perfect Ten

[truecoat]

2015>2016 at DLR will feature for us (going back in August if not also sooner) Disneyland Forever; Paint the Night; World of Color: Celebrate; Peter Pan's Flight 3.0; Soarin' over California plussed with digital projection; likely Snow White, Toad, and Pinocchio plussed with new projection mapped effects; likely Haunted Mansion with the Hat Box Ghost added; and likely a few other unannounced surprises. That's 2 parks with changes in both.

Matterhorn is getting revamped and they have more in store for the Alice ride.

 

[truecoat]

I don't even know what's happening anymore. Im just glad its not Universal vs Disney

I was saying that there will be a need for table service restaurant(s) as the park hours will have to be extended beyond the 5pm close to accommodate the nighttime safaris once they begin. They might not start earlier than RoL does in Early 2016- but that was my point. We don't know when Disney might be extending hours permanently, and Disney has a better idea of their timeline and when a restaurant needs to accommodate park visitors than @Funmeister does.
While we can criticize Disney about their snail-pace construction, lack of innovation, or roll out of MDE- one thing we can't criticize them on is their ability to make money. They do that pretty well.
Last I checked, a table service restaurant with no customers does not make money- so I trust them to open it when it is ideal.

I heard the new restaurant in Avatar will be similar to BOG. Semi QS during the day and TS at night.

 

[truecoat]

Disney should do an animated Tiananmen square movie followed years later by a live action version. That ought to do well in China.

 

[Cesar R M]

FTFY

well, that was quick...
gone.. so fast!

 

[Cesar R M]

Disney should do an animated Tiananmen square movie followed years later by a live action version. That ought to do well in China.

You mean the "American Way" to enter China by giving them some taste of "Freedom"?

 

[ford91exploder]

Sorry @ford91exploder , but I've never heard anything positive from you. When I think D&G'r. I unfortunately think of you.

There is not much to praise at WDW these days, They don't deserve praise for doing necessary maintenance.

 

[ford91exploder]

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/dining/polynesian-resort/ohana/menus/dinner/

If this is current from WDW, the entree skewers are chicken, shrimp and steak.

Makes me wonder whether WDW is just ordering whatever is cheapest for the week.

 

[ford91exploder]

True, the middle is where most should be, but it appears that there are a lot of people on this site that seem to fall into the doom and gloom side. I am in the middle myself, as I don''t believe that everything is perfect, but I also do not think it is as bad as some people are painting it. I really think that Disney is trying a lot harder over the last several years.

My problem with your statement is the "compared to being critical and see things for what they are". Well, that's only someone's opinion, and means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I think the new hub is looking great. That does NOT make me a pixie duster. That's my opinion, and from someone that has actually been there just last week. Someone else saying that it looks like crap (even though they haven't even seen it in person) claims that they are seeing things as they really are, and that I am wrong. Really?!!?!?

And how do you know we have not seen it in person?. Frequently layover in MCO for an evening.

 

[spacemt354]

Yes but those of us in the middle are called D&G'ers... The fanboi community so desperately wants to believe that things have never been better.

I'm sorry but you're not in the middle ground in my view.

When you make statements like this in regards to the new hub...

It is a concrete wasteland all for the sake of 30 minutes at night.

That isn't anything other than hyperbolic dissent. Not a middle ground.

The middle ground would realize that the Hub looks much better than it did before (say 5 years ago), but not as good as it ever has (say 20 years ago).

 

[DisneyOutsider]

I'm sorry but you're not in the middle ground in my view.

When you make statements like this in regards to the new hub...

That isn't anything other than hyperbolic dissent. Not a middle ground.

Per the bolded, that's kind've his legacy around here (ALSO see his regurgitation of the word "Drunkytown")

 

[RSoxNo1]

I can agree with the bolded part....with a caveat.
It doesn't look better than it has ever.

Nothing is/will be better than the tree-filled park like setting that the hub once had.

Realistically though, can they do that today with the increased crowds and fireworks?

 

[twebber55]

Realistically though, can they do that today with the increased crowds and fireworks?

Great point
I would say no

 

[ParentsOf4]

While it may look better than it has in a long time, a better question would be; Does it look better than the original design?

Form was sacrificed for function in the new hub design. Thats not to say it looks bad, but does the functionality truly outweigh the ornamental beauty of the original design? There is no right or wrong as it becomes an issue of preference. Some simply prefer the benefits of the functionality sans a more complete theme while others place a higher emphasis on artistic integrity.

74' spoke about "layered theming" in a previous post and I feel this is a good example of the loss of a "layer". The castle was previously surrounded by a heavier layer of greenery. The trees and (inaccessible) grass and flower areas not only served as a physical layer of separation but also a visual layer of separation. It flowed with the moat and created depth. IMO it had a much more unique appearance of how a castle courtyard would appear after a breaching the end of a forest.

Before:
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Your 'before' image reminded me of what Walt Disney said about Disneyland:

“The park means a lot to me. It's something that will never be finished, something I can keep developing, keep 'plussing' and adding to. It's alive. It will be a live, breathing thing that will need changes. When you wrap up a picture and turn it over to Technicolor, you're through. Snow White is a dead issue with me. I just finished up a live-action picture, wrapped it up a few weeks ago. It's gone. I can't touch it. There are things in it I don't like, but I can't do anything about it. I want something live, something that would grow. The park is that. Not only can I add things, but even the trees will keep growing. The thing will get more beautiful year after year. And it will get better as I find out what the public likes. I can't do that with a picture; it's finished and unchangeable before I find out whether the public likes it or not.”​

I guess "the trees will keep growing" everywhere except the Magic Kingdom's central hub.

 

[ford91exploder]

I'm sorry but you're not in the middle ground in my view.

When you make statements like this in regards to the new hub...

That isn't anything other than hyperbolic dissent. Not a middle ground.

The middle ground would realize that the Hub looks much better than it did before (say 5 years ago), but not as good as it ever has (say 20 years ago).

In my OPINION it's never looked worse, Just because something is NEW does not necessarily mean it's improved, At EPCOT in the 80's they had lighting and sound towers which retracted when not in use, In the NEW hub they just stand there as monuments to bad show.

The trash receptacles which once were unique to WDW have now been replaced by plain brown ones I can buy from the Grainger catalog, Please tell me how this is an improvement, Perhaps we should be thankful that they are not rusty and have peeling paint?.

 

[ford91exploder]

So you've seen it in person then? Or you're just saying you could have if you wanted to, but haven't- which proves his point.

I have and I hated it on sight, Did not bring a IR thermometer to measure the pavement temperature but I will next time.

 

[ford91exploder]

Realistically though, can they do that today with the increased crowds and fireworks?

The crowds are a function of poor planning on WDW's part by creating hub centric shows instead of entertainment in each section of the park

 

[Lucky]

They just need some mobile trees that they can roll off stage for an hour every night.

 

[ford91exploder]

Per the bolded, that's kind've his legacy around here (ALSO see his regurgitation of the word "Drunkytown")

Truth hurts.

The park experience has been degraded severely over the last 10 years, And its been 9 years since WDW built it's last E-ticket and 23 years since the last one at MK, Yeah things have 'NEVER BEEN BETTER and EVERYTHING IS WONDERFUL' at WDW.

 

[RSoxNo1]

The crowds are a function of poor planning on WDW's part by creating hub centric shows instead of entertainment in each section of the park

I think the wide open areas in New Fantasyland partially address this regarding the fireworks, but the hub has always been a gathering point for fireworks. The park icon is typically a great way of framing those fireworks.

 

[ford91exploder]

They just need some mobile trees that they can roll off stage for an hour every night.

Could have done it with a hydraulic stage to lower planters.