A Spirited Perfect Ten

[Funmeister]

No- It's necessary. Do you suggest they make the improvements after Avatar is open? You really, really like to complain, don't you?

You are going to say it is not overkill to have additional table service options open right now before the expansion(s) are complete? If so you really have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Cesar R M]

Maybe, but he's also done it across several threads, often completely unprovoked.

Dude, you really have a serious bias against me.
Thanks for confirming now...

Anyway, in case your bias is blinding you (which it seems to):
90% of the times I've remarked my 'disney is a business" sarcastic answer, is because a lot of people who I ask to further their points (if they even had any).. end always trying to finish and cut the conversation/discussion with "Disney is a business" without answering at all.

Hence one of my jokes about them desperately trying to overuse the "Disney is a business" as much as someone tries to force-end the conversation with Goodwin's Law.

The answer as been always the same but they still use that remark.

We all know Disney as NEVER BEEN a "non profit" or Charity. Universal is a business as well. And they are building nicely. (Disney thankfully as speedup AKL expansion and is doing really well so far.)

Anyway.... most of this is totally missing the point to what critics are trying to talk.
Yet the other side keeps rehusing that excuse.

@PhotoDave219 is a witness of this happening many times.

Kinda how Nostalgia Critic talks about "I WAS FROZEN TODAY" on forcefully ending conversations.

 

[Cesar R M]

The big caveat there is "at this time." Once Rivers of Light goes live, DAK will need more sit-down dining. Table service is much more popular at dinner than it is at lunch, but up until now people haven't had any reason to be at DAK at dinner time.

Agree.

This might explains the quick restaurant expansions (the seating in Harambe), and the new areas in flame tree and others around Rivers of Light.

I'm still surprised the rumours only says a single quick restaurant for pandora. It doesn't make much sense imho.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

You're confusing things a lot.

There is a gigantic difference in blind fanboyism and saying everything is perfect.
Compared to being critical and see things for what they are.
Also the other side is the gloom and doomer where there is NOTHING good on anything they do.

first and last are completely opposite sides of the spectrum and they have little weight opinion wise.

Middle is where the majority should stand.

True, the middle is where most should be, but it appears that there are a lot of people on this site that seem to fall into the doom and gloom side. I am in the middle myself, as I don''t believe that everything is perfect, but I also do not think it is as bad as some people are painting it. I really think that Disney is trying a lot harder over the last several years.

My problem with your statement is the "compared to being critical and see things for what they are". Well, that's only someone's opinion, and means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I think the new hub is looking great. That does NOT make me a pixie duster. That's my opinion, and from someone that has actually been there just last week. Someone else saying that it looks like crap (even though they haven't even seen it in person) claims that they are seeing things as they really are, and that I am wrong. Really?!!?!?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm still surprised the rumours only says a single quick restaurant for pandora. It doesn't make much sense imho.

I'd expect it to be something massive... something in the Seasons / Cosmic Ray's volume. Then maybe new sit-down dining elsewhere in DAK. So part of the DAK expansion but not officially IN Pandora.

 

[Cesar R M]

While it may be easy to forget that 7DMT opened after Spring Break 2014, I can't blame anyone a mea culpa on forgetting an attraction so robust as a the Frozen Sing-a-Long. If that is all that can be "celebrated" as new from one year to the next at the World's Busiest/Best Theme Resort, then there is something very, very wrong with the system.

My only complain about 7DMT is.. TOO SHORT.
The animatronics are definitively impressive.
but by the time you're going WOW!! the show zone already passed

 

[PhotoDave219]

90% of the times I've remarked my 'disney is a business" sarcastic answer, is because a lot of people who I ask to further their points (if they even had any).. end always trying to finish and cut the conversation/discussion with "Disney is a business" without answering at all.

Hence one of my jokes about them desperately trying to overuse the "Disney is a business" as much as someone tries to force-end the conversation with Goodwin's Law.

The answer as been always the same but they still use that remark.

We all know Disney as NEVER BEEN a "non profit" or Charity. Universal is a business as well. And they are building nicely. (Disney thankfully as speedup AKL expansion and is doing really well so far.)

Anyway.... most of this is totally missing the point to what critics are trying to talk.
Yet the other side keeps rehusing that excuse.

@PhotoDave219 is a witness of this happening many times.

The irony is that the instant you dive into how Disney runs its business, theyre like a deer in the headlights. You get beyond the simple talking point or sound byte and they have nothing of substance.

 

[doctornick]

Yep. That is why I said "at this time." The entire dynamic of the park will change once Avatar and the other offerings go online. Until then...it is overkill.

OK, I'm confused. you originally made the comment as part of a discussion related to dining options in Pandora. Obviously, the dining in that area isn't going to open until the actual land of Pandora is option, so... what is your point?

At this very moment, DAK doesn't need more dining options because it has limited hours. Come next year, the hours are going to be longer. Thankfully, Disney is actually preparing for that by actively expanding dining options to be ready for the longer hours (new quick serve in Harambe, adding more space and table service to Pizzafari, adding the Starbucks on discovery Island) as well as adding dining in Pandora once that land opens (and likely increases park attendance).

 

[Cesar R M]

I'd expect it to be something massive... something in the Seasons / Cosmic Ray's volume. Then maybe new sit-down dining elsewhere in DAK. So part of the DAK expansion but not officially IN Pandora.

Something Akin to the DHS burger area in the Indy zone?
It has a "airplane garage" feel, similar to the leaked images of pandora shows.

funnily, its the only quick restaurant at DHS that is always empty. no idea why.
Its really that bad?

*edit*
Now that you mention the Cosmic Ray.

Now I am suddenly imagining a restaurant with animatronics show. Including the "robot" that the Colonel Quaritch uses and some Na'vi.

I blame my active imagination.

 

[Funmeister]

Not necessarily- We know they are offering nighttime safaris sometime this year- I would expect soon. They will obviously expand operation at that time. We also have no idea the details of the restaurant.

I wait to see the complete picture before I make an opinion, as we don't know what other plans are in store. Keep in mind, you told me I jumped to conclusions, and I hope you see the irony in that.

Man you are all over the place. lol How do you "obviously know" they will "expand operation at that time" yet you "wait to see the complete picture before you make an opinion?"

I take it your parents do not know you are on the internet while they are at work while you are on Spring Break?

 

[Funmeister]

OK, I'm confused. you originally made the comment as part of a discussion related to dining options in Pandora. Obviously, the dining in that area isn't going to open until the actual land of Pandora is option, so... what is your point?

At this very moment, DAK doesn't need more dining options because it has limited hours. Come next year, the hours are going to be longer. Thankfully, Disney is actually preparing for that by actively expanding dining options to be ready for the longer hours (new quick serve in Harambe, adding more space and table service to Pizzafari, adding the Starbucks on discovery Island) as well as adding dining in Pandora once that land opens (and likely increases park attendance).

I am taking about the overall park when all of the expansion is complete. I agree. DAK does NOT need more dining options until the expansion is complete.

 

[Cesar R M]

No- It's necessary. Do you suggest they make the improvements after Avatar is open? You really, really like to complain, don't you?

I have to agree with you there.
Its better to have space and availability in advance.. than see everything completely swamped on open day.
and then they(Disney) having to rush to make awful "quick temporal amends" that might become semi permanent (like the Hat).

The irony is that the instant you dive into how Disney runs its business, theyre like a deer in the headlights. You get beyond the simple talking point or sound byte and they have nothing of substance.

Yeah, I actually find it curious.

I mean, I have already been pretty much banged and my reputation questioned more than once.
I'm surprised it hadn't gone to direct insults, but then.. It might have and the mods acted.

Its like they cant find a real comeback, and thus they MUST shot the messager down.

*edit*
For those who dont get the issue:
Imagine you talking about how removing the Turkey and raising the prices at Ohana is a bad move, and you wanted the turkey because it was very tasty.

then out of nowhere, a guy tries to shut you down by screaming "BUT DISNEY IS A BUSINESS!!!"

 

[doctornick]

True, the middle is where most should be, but it appears that there are a lot of people on this site that seem to fall into the doom and gloom side. I am in the middle myself, as I don''t believe that everything is perfect, but I also do not think it is as bad as some people are painting it. I really think that Disney is trying a lot harder over the last several years.

I would argue that there has been a noticeable uptick in maintenance as well as infrastructure improvements since George K took over leadership at WDW. Maybe that's coincidence, but it seemed like a sharp change.

 

[wogwog]

For a while they had Shrimp, Steak, Pork and Chicken. Prior to that it was Shrimp, Steak, Pork and Turkey. The cut chicken and then brought it back and cut pork I believe.

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/dining/polynesian-resort/ohana/menus/dinner/

If this is current from WDW, the entree skewers are chicken, shrimp and steak.

 

[doctornick]

I am taking about the overall park when all of the expansion is complete. I agree. DAK does NOT need more dinind options until the expansion is complete.

OK, but like I said, it was weird to make the initial comment in regards to a discussion about dining option in Pandora -- which obviously would not be open until the park expands.

 

[Funmeister]

OK, but like I said, it was weird to make the initial comment in regards to a discussion about dining option in Pandora -- which obviously would not be open until the park expands.

The point of my original post was that Rainforest would be upset IF there was an alternate dining option in Pandora. Someone else responded with more details (rumors) of what type of dining and potential opening "dates" were. I merely suggested that Rainforest would be upset about the proximity of another full service dining option IF there were plans to put one there. Nothing more than that.

 

[BernardandBianca]

Something Akin to the DHS burger area in the Indy zone?
It has a "airplane garage" feel, similar to the leaked images of pandora shows.

funnily, its the only quick restaurant at DHS that is always empty. no idea why.
Its really that bad?

I'll note that it lacks both a view and air conditioning. Going in, it does feel as if you are going into an airplane hanger. Thank might have something to do with it.

 

[doctornick]

Not necessarily- We know they are offering nighttime safaris sometime this year- I would expect soon. They will obviously expand operation at that time. We also have no idea the details of the restaurant.

I suspect the plans are for both the nighttime safaris and RoL to open simultaneously -- along with longer park hours -- and RoL has been slated for an "early 2016" opening.

So, they should expand dining offerings in the next year, regardless of what is opening in Pandora (first half 2017 timeframe). That said....

I'd expect it to be something massive... something in the Seasons / Cosmic Ray's volume. Then maybe new sit-down dining elsewhere in DAK. So part of the DAK expansion but not officially IN Pandora.

Yeah, there are no details of what is going to happen in Pandora for food. Some have said just a quick serve. Others have said a "flex" restaurant which is counter service as lunch and table service at dinner. I'd anticipate the latter, but we'll see.

That said, we know of the following food options that are coming, probably in the next year (i.e. pretty soon):
* Starbucks in the old Creature Comforts
* new Harambe quick service near the train station (along with a new path to Asia)
* Expanded Pizzafari, reported to include a table service area

 

[Cesar R M]

True, the middle is where most should be, but it appears that there are a lot of people on this site that seem to fall into the doom and gloom side. I am in the middle myself, as I don''t believe that everything is perfect, but I also do not think it is as bad as some people are painting it. I really think that Disney is trying a lot harder over the last several years.

My problem with your statement is the "compared to being critical and see things for what they are". Well, that's only someone's opinion, and means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I think the new hub is looking great. That does NOT make me a pixie duster. That's my opinion, and from someone that has actually been there just last week. Someone else saying that it looks like crap (even though they haven't even seen it in person) claims that they are seeing things as they really are, and that I am wrong. Really?!!?!?

Oh I agree with you.
But there are cases where we actually DID SEE IT.
And we get blasted and trying to get discredited with the "Did you even see it in person?"

It almost feels like it only counts when you see it and you like and not when you see it and dont like it.

both sides seem pretty extremists.

You know what bad about those in the middle stance? (like me)
We get pulled to each side CONSTANTLY.

You like something? OH YOU PIXIE DUSTER.
I dont like something? OH NO YOU DOOM AND GLOOMER!.

where the hell is the overall consensus?

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/dining/polynesian-resort/ohana/menus/dinner/

If this is current from WDW, the entree skewers are chicken, shrimp and steak.

It definitively is (ate there this february)

Speaking of Ohana, that was the first time I had a strong failure in MyMagic.
I had a reservation and my name was nowhere to be found in numerical way (aka the code was not there) and my name was heavily skewed in the system (with weird characters, like It wasn't unicode and it hated the "é" of my name).
Had to show my passport, a digital copy of my reservation. My Magicband wasn't useful there too.

 

[Nubs70]

Are you talking about this stage? Because it's fake grass, has a steel monstrosity behind it, and has aluminum cage fences to keep people away.

The problem here is the use of the term "better." The Hub may have very well been prettier the way you describe, but appearance is not the only consideration. The biggest problem with the "old hub" (lack of navigable paths) would have been even worse with your system. People need room to walk, stand, and walk around those who are standing. The hub redesign was an operational / functional need, not an aesthetic one.

Flow is a square function of area. Since the "navigable area" (new walkways - grass areas) has been has been a little over doubled, the avaliable traffic capacity through the hub has been increased by 4-5 times. The new area minus grass areas is more than sufficient for traffic flow.