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A Spirited Perfect Ten
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Phil12
Well-Known Member
I imagine him sweltering in the South Florida heat and wishing he was elsewhere. I too did the family obligations watch for six years in Miami. When I left, I was very happy about seeing that real estate in my rear view mirror for the last time. Been there, done that.
Finallyinflorida
Member
We've been discussing the same issue here at my house. We have two nights at Art of Animation and need a third night. I check daily and nothing. Did you just send the email to guest services?? Thanks
culturenthrills
Well-Known Member
Don't get me started about that #@$%ing tower. One of the worse things WDI has ever done. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Whoever made that decision should have lost their job. Ruins Liberty Square for me.
Disneyhead'71
Well-Known Member
I sort of expected a visit from a friendly Spirit after last nights midnight announcement.
I'm sure he has an opinion on the subject.
I'll be sitting over here
In the corner
Patiently waiting....
(Tapping foot.)
(Checks watch)
(Some fidgeting)
(Checks watch again)
Refresh
(Sigh)
I'm sure he has an opinion on the subject.
I'll be sitting over here
In the corner
Patiently waiting....
(Tapping foot.)
(Checks watch)
(Some fidgeting)
(Checks watch again)
Refresh
(Sigh)
hopemax
Well-Known Member
I like to consider the "domino" effects. So because of the "bad relationship" analogy I like to use, I think many people won't actually give up traveling to WDW. Since most people don't really have anymore money, either the credit card howls in pain or there should be
Changes in length of stay
Level of accommodations (value vs deluxe; onsite vs off)
Choices in restaurants (expensive table vs counter service vs bringing food/eating in room)
and merchandise
ability to pay for "upcharge events"
etc.
Do we have any good methods to track those?
Changes in length of stay
Level of accommodations (value vs deluxe; onsite vs off)
Choices in restaurants (expensive table vs counter service vs bringing food/eating in room)
and merchandise
ability to pay for "upcharge events"
etc.
Do we have any good methods to track those?
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Nope.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Okay, some numbers breakdown from the Final Quarter, Crowd level wise.
The summertime trend held. There was no real dead period this September outside of 8/31-9/4 & 9/8-9/11. Crowds aren't back at the bedlam that was the rest of the summer, but they're above average as compared to the previous two years.
The summer? Akin to a Mickey Ward fight - absolutely brutal as a whole.
More to the point, expect more record crowds announced and record profits. Iger already said on the last conference call from last quarter that attendance was up domestically 4% over last year. I would expect that to hold.
Studios showed a weird trend in September: Every Monday pulled a 7+ crowd. (Monday is an EMH evening day but still, weird). MK is still running at pulling peak crowds 35% of this entire year. Studios has completely turned it around from a year ago, which surprises me. All the parks are pulling a 6+ crowd more often than a 5- crowd, meaning its above average more than 50% of this year so far.
So looking at what has happened in the past 2-3 years, from 2013-2014, the off-peak days pushed up and became average in 2014. (32% off peak / 53% avg / 15% peak in 2013 to 20%/68%/12% in 2014) The change from last year to this year is those average crowds have pushed up to peak levels. (23% Off/ 51% Avg / 26% Peak in 2015 as of the 10/3).
I can't tell you why this has happened, I can just point out the trends. And the trend is that there are some seriously long waits that weren't this frequent a few years ago.
Will this likely result in higher gate prices within the next six months in order to drive attendance back down to a more reasonable level while maintaining egregious profit margins? I'd predict yes, especially after today's AP changes.
As always, data pulled from the actual observations by @lentesta's Touring Plan's Crew.
The summertime trend held. There was no real dead period this September outside of 8/31-9/4 & 9/8-9/11. Crowds aren't back at the bedlam that was the rest of the summer, but they're above average as compared to the previous two years.
The summer? Akin to a Mickey Ward fight - absolutely brutal as a whole.
More to the point, expect more record crowds announced and record profits. Iger already said on the last conference call from last quarter that attendance was up domestically 4% over last year. I would expect that to hold.
Studios showed a weird trend in September: Every Monday pulled a 7+ crowd. (Monday is an EMH evening day but still, weird). MK is still running at pulling peak crowds 35% of this entire year. Studios has completely turned it around from a year ago, which surprises me. All the parks are pulling a 6+ crowd more often than a 5- crowd, meaning its above average more than 50% of this year so far.
So looking at what has happened in the past 2-3 years, from 2013-2014, the off-peak days pushed up and became average in 2014. (32% off peak / 53% avg / 15% peak in 2013 to 20%/68%/12% in 2014) The change from last year to this year is those average crowds have pushed up to peak levels. (23% Off/ 51% Avg / 26% Peak in 2015 as of the 10/3).
I can't tell you why this has happened, I can just point out the trends. And the trend is that there are some seriously long waits that weren't this frequent a few years ago.
Will this likely result in higher gate prices within the next six months in order to drive attendance back down to a more reasonable level while maintaining egregious profit margins? I'd predict yes, especially after today's AP changes.
As always, data pulled from the actual observations by @lentesta's Touring Plan's Crew.
lentesta
Premium Member
We're still trying to figure out what caused the crowds from around Sept 15-24. Those were without precedent. Oddly, they seemed not to happen at Universal Studios, IOA, or Epcot.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
You mean like 9/21 when MK pulled an 8 and DHS pulled a 9? I'm still scratching my head too.
Goofyernmost
Well-Known Member
Maybe they were having a going out of business sale. That will usually draw a big crowd.
HauntedMansionFLA
Well-Known Member
Speaking of going out of business - think of the crowd level wanting to see the Osborne Christmas Lights one final time.
HauntedMansionFLA
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the number updates - very interesting to see the trends and try to figure how DHS is doing it. We are thinking of going next year right after Thanksgiving. I'll have my eye out for your reports. I saw what your said about trips to WDW. We won't be going for quite awhile after next year. If we do, it would be a very short trip to see AvatarLand in 2017/2018 - then wait for Star Wars Land.
hopemax
Well-Known Member
Since the TouringPlans data is based on wait times, some bump would be explained by the closed attractions, right? If you have 30,000 people and 10 things, you should have shorter wait times than 30,000 people and 5 things. Idol closed end of August 2014, Backlot Tour end of Sept 2014, and Animation in July, whatever people those things attracted had to go somewhere else now, and that somewhere else didn't increase capacity.
danv3
Well-Known Member
Why would they wait six months to raise prices though? I'd expect the increases before the Christmas season starts.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Because the last ticket increase was last February… That would be a full year.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
lentesta
Premium Member
That's our leading theory for DHS. Doesn't explain AK or MK though.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
No way to directly track but forum members can observe and report on the trends they see, i.e. how much are people buying, are the restaurants full etc. I was disappointed but not surprised by the announcement.