Phil12
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The information is well documented.
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A Spirited Perfect Ten
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Phil12
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Walt carried grudges against those people involved in the 1941 strike. It's interesting that the strikers got almost everything for which they asked. The settlement was considered to be reasonable on both sides. However, Walt made it a point to to illegally retaliate against the strikers. Did you not watch the American Experience?
michmousefan
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Tone of this trailer was rather different than the footage screened at D23 by Favreau. This seemed to skew all the way toward the hard action - I'm guessing that the powers that be wanted it to stand apart from the animated version, at least for the first trailer. At D23 we heard Kingsley, Murray and Walken's voices with their characters. Couldn't help but laugh after the little bit of Walken's "you can call me Louie," and when you hear Bill Murray's voice coming from a realistic-looking bear it really sells Baloo. There's only a second or so of "The Bear Necessities" at the end of this trailer; we heard a bit more last month.
But just looking at this trailer I can see why people might not be interested. Looks like a standard action take on the material.
gmajew
Premium Member
The difference is once a company goes public then the have others to report to. Prior to the company being public anything can and should be allowed. Sucks but once you sell to the public you may be the majority owner but you still have others you must report to.
gmajew
Premium Member
Illegally retaliate? That would not have been allowed per the union agreement. What he did was find a way to work around the agreement and damn it who blames him at all.
the.dreamfinder
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Remember when he tried to pull the same thing earlier this year with a kid's B-School paper on Shanghai Disney.
Nubs70
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FDR did.
Phil12
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Walt Disney was a co founder of the Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals
Phil12
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Indeed he did.
hpyhnt 1000
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Agree that, since the summer began, there is a lot more to be excited about concerning WDW.
That said, I won't really be happy or excited about things until many of the "smaller" items are fixed resort wide, all the details that don't warrant press releases and media events. I'm talking bathrooms that are always clean, even at the end of a 15 hour day; monorails that aren't held together by duct tape; paint that is always bright and clean and show effects that are consistently working; fountains that contain water instead of flowers; landscaping that's universally vibrant, neat and pruned; holiday decor that's added to, not cut; restaurants that are open instead of shuttered; a wide variety of characters available for meet and greets instead of just the Fab 5 and select princesses.
I'm looking forward to seeing Avatar land, and Star Wars land, and a new Soarin' film, and all the other things that are coming. But when they finally get around to fixing the roof lighting on the Grand Floridian, that's when I'll be excited. Because that's when it will be clear that someone in a decision making role "gets it" and cares about every detail. That's when you'll know the resort is in good hands.
Phil12
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No, you're wrong. Here's a bit of information that may help you: "When they had collected enough representation cards from the employees AFL organizer Herb Sorrell with Disney animator Art Babbitt and SCG President Bill Littlejohn met Walt Disney and his attorneys to ask for recognition. In an angry exchange Disney refused to negotiate and insisted his people were represented by the Federation of Screen Cartoonists. This was a sham union set up by the company that had been declared illegal by the National Board of Labor Relations. After the meeting broke down Disney responded by firing Babbitt and 16 other pro-union artists, a violation of Federal Labor law."
Disney used all manner of illegal and unethical tactics to extract revenge against the union people over a period of many years. As was said in the American Experience, Walt Disney carried his grudges forever. Here's the link: http://www.awn.com/animationworld/disney-strike-1941-how-it-changed-animation-comics
1023
Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
Not yet... But if some folks with Isis ties show up and demand I do business in a certain way, I might have to consider my options. Do you know any organized crime enforcers I can hire for that purpose?
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EDITED to add: Strange how unions in that time frame were largely controlled locally by organized crime. They frequently used "Oraganized Crime Muscle". It's also well documented....
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Phil12
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It's interesting that you like to equate collective bargaining under federal labor law with terrorists and socialists.
1023
Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
Actually, I equate them (during that time in our history) with organized crime. Even a little further down the road the AFL and CIO did engage in the practice of hiring crime muscle to "move along" negotiations. Many unions fell under scrutiny since that time, particularly in the 80s when congressional committees found widespread organized crime influence in major unions...
Do not assume that when labor organizes and collectively bargains with management/ownership I consider that practice bad. In fact, I would be supportive of an organized effort to increase wages of front line CMs in the parks.
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gmajew
Premium Member
Good and he should have carried a grudge... anyone that thinks he would not or it was wrong to do so have never sat on that side of the table.
Again as I have said no leader is perfect and it may not be right but it is a fact and a normal response.
So you're saying it is ok to commit a crime? To illegally fire people? Is that what you're saying? It's ok for Disney to make money but not the people who actually do the work that makes him the money?
Disneyhead'71
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That seems to be a prevalent attitude in management these days.
1023
Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
Yikes...Really? What a shame. I would hope that TWDC would find a way to work within the law as one of Florida's largest employers. I guess that size might lend itself to doing things that you might not get called on the carpet for.
Do you have a few examples (aside from the IT workers complaints)?
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Goofyernmost
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That maybe why it happens, but, it doesn't even close to justify it. Disney was public for awhile when Walt was in charge as well. One has nothing to do with the other. It has to do with compensation. For example, everything including the jobs of ALL of Walt's employee's hinged on the success of Snow White. Walt's very being was at risk, his reputation, his dreams, etc. The employee's only had their jobs on the line with no real responsibility for debt or anything other then a job that can be replaced easily. No, it was Walt (and Roy) that were taking all those risks. He had 100 times more to lose then the employees. He had to make the decisions that would affect not only himself, but, every single one of the employees.
Somehow that translates into "it isn't fair", he makes a lot more then us. He had a lot more invested then all of them. Why shouldn't there be a discrepancy, and a big one. I know if I built a business took all the risks, spent years in an up and down situation. One day doing well, the next eating out of cans, I would have felt that I earned that extra and would have taken it. I also believe that any of the people that say they wouldn't are just kidding themselves.
On the other end we have Iger. Nothing to lose other then reputation, Iger. A man who has enough money already to leave tomorrow with millions in the bank, no responsibility for the debt of the corporation. Never an original thought, never a risky venture that might blow up and cost him personally. Just a nice office, a big title and security for the rest of his life. He and others like him are just pure greed. Walt after the union, took actions to protect himself and his family. The exact same thing that anyone of us would have done in a similar situation.
Unless one has owned a business and built it from nothing, we can not have an opinion on how the owner operates it. If Walt hadn't known what he was doing, there would be no Disney Company today, seventy plus years later. He is a person that happens once in a hundred years. Many have talent, only a few can take that talent to its maximum and benefit millions in one form or the other. Walt's compensation should have been a thousand times over the others for what he created and the impact that his actions had on the world and all of us that were lucky enough to be here during some of the same years we were is priceless.