HauntedMansionFLA
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It seems like they weren't offered as much September through December this year. It might happen slowly in time along with the extra magic hours.
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A Spirited Perfect Ten
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Rodan75
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Looks good. On DinoLand I say replace DinoRama with Good Dinosaur AND put in a Walking with Dinosaurs show (Nemo moved to Studios because I like it). Win-win
Watching that trailer today...wow...anyone else feel Consumer Products pop a woody? This will be DCP's biggest Pixar push since Cars. I'm surprised Dino Rama hasn't already been re-Themed.
Hopefully the movie will be good.
PhotoDave219
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It really doesn't affect the crowd levels that much.
Rodan75
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And The Spirit doubts me when I write that WDW will need a 5th theme park by 2025?
And support that statement with a graph?
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You should include a brief recession to make it fall in line with the past, so folks don't think you are overly optimistic. I think your end state trend is in alignment with what has been happening.
lobelia
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So @ParentsOf4 you maintain WDW needs a fifth gate. I have tried to stay with my gut that they should evolve the other four to complete parks with additional capacity but your numbers are persuasive. I get why you suggest a park to serve higher numbers of crowds but adding another park just for parades and fireworks also seems incomplete. What do you suggest could thematically support another park that Visitors would be willing to pay comparable entrance fees to the current four parks?
Rodan75
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MK becomes the boutique, appointment only park? It feels the direction they need to go without creating three full time main streets.
Animaniac93-98
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You're not the only one who thinks this, but I hope it's still good.
HauntedMansionFLA
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I wouldn't mind seeing some of the cool stuff that's been built overseas - Mysterious Island with Jules Verne, the new pirates ride at the new park being built and so on if there is a 5th gate. But they need to have the current four parks reach their full potential. EPCOT has so much potential as most everyone here knows. The D23 will give us an idea. Thanks to @PhotoDave219 @WDW1974 @doctornick and many others for giving us information and trying to keep us on topic.
71jason
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This. ToT was posted at 50 this evening--friends were on in less than 10. Touring Plan numbers are interesting, and offer good guidelines on what time of year to visit, but fall somewhere between TEA numbers and actual, hard data.
PhotoDave219
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Yeah and unfortunately this is the only dataset I've got available.
The fact that cast members can artificially manipulate it simply by holding a flik card annoys the hell out of me.
71jason
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It's every bit as anecdotal as wait times and hotel discounts, but the only "busy" week on I-4 and at my local tourist Publix was the week after Fourth of July. After a decade you get a feel for these things, it just doesn't feel busy this Summer.
PhotoDave219
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I trust the anecdotal evidence more. And yeah, that week was a Sshow from what I could see numbers wise.
yensidtlaw1969
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The thing that gets me is that the Magic Kingdom isn't actually Disney's best park. It is simply the quintessential park of Walt Disney World, the resort with the largest base of visitors. I wonder what crowds would be like across the parks if you plopped Disneyland down on the property, with all of its exciting and classic attractions. Or Shanghai Disney, with all of it's amazing new experiences and technology. Obviously you never would because the Magic Kingdom follows the same model as those two parks, but wouldn't people be tempted to visit parks of that quality?
What is it that draws everyone to Magic Kingdom above all others? Is it the reputation that Walt Disney World is the best, and that park is (by popular vote) the best of the four there? Is it the classic attractions? The iconic nature of the park? Is it really impossible to design something in this day and age that could in some way overtake that legacy? Is the Magic Kingdom simply the best that can be done? It's sort of crazy to think that The Magic Kingdom simply holds the position of crown jewel of Walt Disney World uncontested - that there's just no way for a new idea for a new park to balance it out. It's an imperfect perfect storm. The park could be better, yet nothing can best it.
It makes me wonder what sort of park concept you would have to develop to get the MK to share the spotlight. EPCOT Center probably came closest in sheer ambition, and opened with a solid execution that has since been waning-- Animal Kingdom and Disney MGM Studios follow it somewhat distantly on both fronts. We'll have to see what comes of Hollywood Studios as it undergoes its transformation, but I'd be very surprised to see whatever they're developing shift that park into MK's high gear. It should certainly be and do much better by a huge margin, but it seems that MK will "just" always be top dog.
It's interesting to think; what would a fifth park have to do, have to be, to truly compete with The Magic Kingdom?
wogwog
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Then you won't like this either. If you do not already know, management or a coordinator (supervisor) can have the wait time adjusted with a phone call to any wait time they want to post. GSM acquaintances tell me this. I don't know why and don't ask because I avoid the WDW parks anytime they look to be crowded. So yeah, that leaves 2 or 3 days a year for me to visit MK.
PhotoDave219
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Then you won't like this either. If you do not already know, management or a coordinator (supervisor) can have the wait time adjusted with a phone call to any wait time they want to post. GSM acquaintances tell me this. I don't know why and don't ask because I avoid the WDW parks anytime they look to be crowded. So yeah, that leaves 2 or 3 days a year for me to visit MK.
Youre right.
I dont like that.
ParentsOf4
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My opinion is that the Magic Kingdom will remain WDW's "target destination" for most tourists for the foreseeable future. As such, it will remain incredibly popular and WDW's busiest park no matter what happens at the other gates.
However, the Magic Kingdom's operational problems are made considerably worse by the 2 parades and daily fireworks. Moving those experiences to another theme park specifically designed to handle them will alleviate the Magic Kingdom's worst vices.
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Just back from seeing it a few hours ago. I loved it. Dumb idea (not all comic heroes/characters are), but brought to life with lots of love. You could tell the entire cast was enjoying themselves. I probably liked it more than every Marvel film I've seen except GotG and possibly the first Iron Man. ... I even liked that it made fun of what I felt was was a ridiculous plot point from AoU.
It was just dumb fun done so well. No, I didn't need all the MCU references, but again that is Kevin Feige and his ego and his plans for 123 films.
Something isn't adding up for me. I get that MK is pretty damn busy. But I also hear the other parks are largely not (including the UNI and SW ones). I am of the firm belief that numbers may not be telling the complete story here at all.
I don't know if you've had this answered yet, but you do review it before purchasing. It will show the exact total amount.